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Opioids I wish to try opium + hash

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Looking for advice. My primary interest with substances is in exploring the mind. Usually psychedelics appeal to me the most. In fact it was Terrence McKenna who got me interested in this. I have pretty much no experience with anything else.

I'm not interested in getting high for the pleasure of it. I want to try opium, particularly with hash, because the combination is famous for taking you on long journeys into the soul. I hear it's a lot like lucid dreaming.

First question is, I'm on 20mg of prescription dexamphetamine a day. Is this combination safe? Preliminary research tells me it is but I'd like to make sure.

Second, you can smoke it or brew and drink it, which would you recommend? Ideally I would like to produce it myself rather than go through a dealer. If I'm using papaver somniferum from the supermarket, I'll know it isn't cut with chalk or some shit.

Third, what is the risk of overdose and how can I mitigate it? I figure taking a test dose at about a quarter the usual strength would be the way to gauge the potency of the poppy seeds, and my reaction to them. One of my friends recently died from opiate overdose and/or contraindications. I'd rather not put my other friends through what I went through.

Fourth, should root ginger be enough for the nausea or should I take something stronger?

And finally there's the question of addiction potential. I'm not taking this lightly, opium is one of the more dangerous drugs in the world and I see it as barely a step down from taking heroin or morphine (which are after all produced from opium). I intend to only do this a few times and to spread the occasions by at least a month at a time. However, I'll freely admit that I drink way too fucking much, especially over the last year. I've suffered from depression for a long time and it really wears down the willpower. Basically I find that I need to have something. If it isn't cannabis, it's alcohol. I'm concerned that I may find opium too good and too accessible. I don't want to screw up my life and liver even more so I'm asking, is this something you can manage if you're smart about it? Or is that just what everyone says when they start?

Thanks for your help.

EDIT: a question I forgot - I'm particularly interested in the combination with hash, if anyone can tell me about that. I've never tried that either, only cannabis, so intend to experiment with it separately first.
 
Opiates don't take you into a journey of the soul. They take you to not-give-a-fuck land, and you end up in junkie town staying at the addiction inn.

D-amp is safe to take with it, but it'll dull your high. Smoking seems easier to gauge effects, although it'll be rougher on the body.

The risk of overdose is the same as with any opiate. Don't drink or take CNS depressants, don't try to push your limits. The risk of addiction is the same. Be careful with it, don't use every week/month, and realize that every time you use you put yourself closer to the face of addiction. I've never been addicted, so I guess you can be smart and manage it. But it really isn't easy.
 
I don't think you can do real opium from poppy seeds, you could do an extraction but it would be better if you just make a poppy seed tea, brew the seeds in hot water (not too hot) and then drink it, you can then smoke hash if you want.

For a "journey to the soul" you could take a psychedelic intead. McKenna has said/written a lot of interesting stuff about them
 
Right, the pods I should say, not the seeds.

I love psychedelics but I'm looking for something a bit dreamier. Less stimulating, more sedating. I've heard that with hash it can be the best of both worlds. I find cannabis can be as mind-warping as a low dose of mushrooms, especially if I haven't taken it in a while. I'd like to enter a state where I can open the contents of my mind and imagination at leisure, if possible relieve old memories and emotions, or explore the surreal landscapes in the deeper hypnogogic layers of the mind. I realise the opiate alone doesn't do this, but I'm more interested in the combination.

It'd be a shame if this wasn't what I was after, but then again, possibly for the best. I still think it's worth a shot though.
 
iodo said:
Opiates don't take you into a journey of the soul.
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I respectfully disagree. They may not produce the same mind-expansion and worldly thinking that psychedelics produce, but the warm euphoria and anxiolytic effects can certainly facilitate a journey into one's mind, uninhibited by the worries of the world. Of course, too much and you'll nod (or die), which is the opposite of brain activity. And then addiction of course...but my point is that opioids CAN in some cases help with soul-delving.
 
Opium is amazing and a totally different ball game. I smoked it on bud around 50 mg a bowl although bet a lot was wasted and never was sedated or nodding yet it was dream like and reduced anxiety. Drinking 90-120 mg produced a good nod, but I was a little tolerant at the time.

Smoking it pure I never did right even on tin foil or with an oil burner bubble. Also use hamp wick to keep the fire above the bowl, but never touching it. Also use a glass screen /jack. Smoke shops carry them around a dollar scamming at two.

Edit :Only make smokable opium from latex. Who knows what's in the seeds? There's a reason cannabis seeds are removed I'm sure it's the same with opium and their minut content seeds
 
Flickering... Opioids are great for numbing emotional pain.. If you want to explore your mind, I'd say LSD is more suitable for the task.. Beware, people generally don't do drugs, the drugs do them.
 
Just throwing out numbing emotional pain can help one to work through the pain so that one day it doesn't need to be numbed
 
If you're very careful and very wise about it.

The last hallucinogen I took, not counting weed, was ayahuasca, half a year ago now. The entire weekend was one big spiritual purge. It did quite the opposite of numb the pain; it brought it out and magnified it tenfold. Which was about what I expected. But I've taken a long break since then.

The next one I do will likely be changa. Which, as I understand it, is so powerful that emotions don't really factor. It's more about how much you're willing and able to let go.

I think all these things have a proper place and time. I'm certainly under no illusion that dabbling with opiates is safe, or that it helps most people. But I do believe intent counts more than the substance itself. You can use acid to party, or for introspection, or for awe. You can drink to socialise, or to numb yourself. Same substance, very different manifestation.
 
Opium goes really well with yoga, it puts me in a lovely trance. My imagination comes alive and I am immersed in daydreams. It's totally different than those really euphoric semi-synthetics. I find it easy to leave my body since I am not distracted by any annoying physical sensations like I usually am and life feels like a dream, as it rightfully is.

Opium is very chill, to me it's like the chillness and clear mind of a weed high without the physical side effects, and it takes me deeper. Well I don't smoke weed but have. If you have the right intention to direct your mind I believe it can be useful for meditating and self reflection. It's just not like psychedelics where you an sit in a field doing nothing and get somewhere in my experience. You have to do stuff like yoga, breathing exercises, imagination etc, it isn't forceful at all.

I am by no means promoting a drug and I use specifically for chronic pain but opium is one hell of a trance. Yeah it's addictive, no shit. There were like, a couple wars in history. I probably wouldn't go anywhere near it if I didn't have a mangled spine and was opioid dependent already.
 
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sekio said:
Opioids are not anywhere near as mind opening as people make them out to be.
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Yes, absolutely!! Perfect as always Sekio!
Seriously. Life is so complicated already, why add SO MUCH more!?
I´m simply telling that your life will be quite messy and you will only think about that, when you give it a try..
Imagine spending the rest of you life wishing for something that is just the total opposite with living with quality.
Not to mention the waste of money! The lack of friends, family, girls..
You will spend the equivalent of a car cost, or travelling the world and you will never understand why you did it.
It just takes time and not so much.
Plus you would just feel miserable when you don´t have it.
Read posts about the subject matter and see how much people give in just to get the point to not do it once more.
And most of them have relapses, hurt the nearest relatives, the dealer will be your only "friend", say bye to your bank account, your self respect.
I´m sorry if I´m so square about that. But it´s true. Go find happiness in something else. PLEASE!
Just take my words for it and go search around.
You seem to be genuinely a nice person about to become your worst nightmare..
I wish I could reach you more!!
 
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I love psychedelics but I'm looking for something a bit dreamier. Less stimulating, more sedating. I've heard that with hash it can be the best of both worlds. I find cannabis can be as mind-warping as a low dose of mushrooms, especially if I haven't taken it in a while. I'd like to enter a state where I can open the contents of my mind and imagination at leisure, if possible relieve old memories and emotions, or explore the surreal landscapes in the deeper hypnogogic layers of the mind.
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Hey OP, have you thought of trying MXE or ketamine? Both are very deep chemicals, they're dreamy and sedating. I find MXE to be extremely introspective, and this seems to be something you're looking for. Add on a little bit of marijuana and you'll be amazed.
 
I remember a while back some bloke was mixing brown powder Heroin and squidgy black hash and calling it Nepalese temple ball he was charging alot for it and getting alot of people addicted. That bloke was one irresponsible mother fucker. I think he is in prison for Armed robbery last I heard some people dont give a shit about others its wrong
 
Firstly - don't know where you're from, but real opium is a bitch to find. Even the so called "dank festival opium" is usually incense, cut with a bit of tar if you're lucky.

Second - psychedelic effects from opiates? Lucid dreaming? Hahahah...no.

Altho, smoking opium (or tar, or whatever) on the comedown of an LSD trip definitely changed the nature of the trip, and in turn affected the visuals. The bright, exuberant, impossibly fast kaleidoscopic rainbow fractal show is made a bit slower, the colors are a bit duller. Nice way to drift off to sleep at the end of a long day of festival shenanigans
 
1. Opiates do not take you to magic soul exploring lands.
2. Smoke both substances so you get a small hit every time from which you can gauge the effects.
3. If you're going to grow you own opium you will need at least a tennis court full of papaver somniferum to get a decent amount of product.
4. If you're worried about addiction, don't be silly and start up with opiates they are the most addictive of all the drugs. I shit you not.
 
Interesting that the reponses are so divided on this one. About half of you seem to reckon it's worth trying and that it'll probably be fine if I'm appropriately cautious. The other half says it isn't what I'm after and that I'll get hooked and fuck up my life. This is an unbiased harm reduction forum not a high school drug seminar, so I take that advice pretty seriously, especially knowing how many people here have been there or are there.

I guess I have to weigh the potential risks against the potential benefits. I don't see much harm in trying it once; the problem seems to be in thinking I can maintain it with enough discipline to not fall into a notoriously self-destructive habit. As though I don't have enough of those in my life already.

I've always been willing to take risks. I started on hallucinogens four years ago with a lot of trepidation about where it was leading. Figured I'm a strange enough guy as it is and it might not take much to push my mind over the edge. A fear that felt validated after my second and third trips were the most world-shatteringly insane, horrendous experiences I've ever had in my life. But I pushed on anyway, determined to get something out of it, which in the end I did.

However, perhaps I should shelve this idea as more of a last resort. That MXE + ketamine + THC combination iodo suggests is compelling. I suspect MXE and ketamine will be harder to come by though. And ketamine is also addictive.

I appreciate the genuine replies guys - and also if anyone has experience specifically with opium and hashish, I'd still like to hear it.
 
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