Miscellaneous I want to try more

[Solo man]

So you guys know how it is, I have tried shrooms lsd mdma and 4-aco-dmt. I would say I’m pretty well versed in all of these chemicals and now wondering what I should try next. I’m thinking mescaline or maybe 2CB. I’m new on here and am not familiar with all the drugs but am trying to learn. What do you guys think?

 

[ItsAFunThing]

Try mescaline if you have access to it. 2cb is like mescaline-lite.
Also I'd reommend 5-meo-mipt, and maybe DOC if you can find some and are feeling cheeky

 

[foodcrisis]

i dunno... after trying lsd and shrooms i find a lot of those drugs are just body highs some where in between the two, and the visuals all end up kind of the same depending on what state of mind i'm in.. like for a while i thought lsd had more white light visuals and shrooms were colored, but after some time, i definitely had both experiences on either drug..

idk.. if it's hard for you to obtain these drugs, i would say they aren't really even that worth it... i'd probably experiment with different doses of the drugs you already tried to get a better feel for them. i don't know how much you've been doing them... if you can get drugs easy, just try them all. lol. like i personally don't like 5meo-dmt, it's what i don't like about shrooms body high but amplified. some people love that drug though.... insteaed of asking what you should try, ask what you shouldn't try.. lol... 5meo-amt has been known to kill a few people at the wrong doses.. i did a lot of that and it was great, but since there is some chance of dosing wrong, i'd probably stay away from it unless you are 100% accurate with the dosing.

 

[Esperighanto]

Imo vaporized DMT, Salvia, oral DMT + harmalas, mescaline, ketamine (a dissociative), DXM (also a dissociative), and MDA and/or MDMA should all be on the list.

DMT, harmalas, salvia and mescaline can all be acquired from plants/plant extracts. Ketamine, MDA and MDMA you you cand in lots of traveling jam bands, as well as acid and fungi.

DXM is OTC in the US, at least.

 

[jasperkent]

Good luck finding real mescaline.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

2cb should definitely be up next

 

[kiely]

 

[Esperighanto]

2cb should definitely be up next

At least in the western hemisphere it's yet to really boom outside of DNM access, which if OP had, I doubt they'd have asked this quesiton in the first place, personally.

Cactus time!!!!! Depending on OP's climate or access to a greenhouse, sewing 12 cactus seeds a year would ensure that within 3 years, you'd have 12 1' tall cacti, 12 2' tall cacti, and 12 3' tall cacti. The 3'-ers and above can have a foot cut off, and that foot is roughly a dose, making a "monthly mescaline routine" very easily possible assuming you can get those cacti planted and growing. Double this up if you're intending on monthly-mescaline-ing with a partner, and you can also take the 1' cuttings and root them into new plants. This can all be scaled to fit whatever your material limits are, and some plants will inevitably die or grow stunted, so oversewing seeds slightly is wise imo. Never bad to have too much mescaline around.

That means that 5 years down the road from your initial efforts of planting 12 a year, you've got 36 a year you can cut, you could replant half of them to gain 18 new 1' cacti that year, and have 18' of cacti left to consume. Mescaline is a great teacher of specificially patience.

Edit: I forgot to mention, when cutting columnar cacti (Trichocereus pachanoi, bridgesii, etc.) you want to cut at a slight slant, so that water won't pool on top causing rot. Also spider mites are a common pest, but Spinosad brand pesticide has (as far as I can tell) no toxicity towards humans or other mammals, but absolutely annihilates spider mites.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

At least in the western hemisphere it's yet to really boom outside of DNM access, which if OP had, I doubt they'd have asked this quesiton in the first place, personally.

did i ask you, mr. knowitall?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

 

[Esperighanto]

The art on this thumbnail sure is how I feel when on some psychs lol, 5-MeO-DiPT especially.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

there's your new avatar too

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

everybody's got such a big fuckin brain in the Psychedelics subforum


you guys fuckin kill me

 

[xdrc]

everybody's got such a big fuckin brain in the Psychedelics subforum

They are mind eeeeexpaaaanding

@Solo man As someone who is very interested in consuming various psychedelics, I'm more and more convinced that it may be better to stick with a few and learn to use them as a tool. Unless your goal is to just fuck around and experience various more or less different perspectives. But especially if you aren't well connected (and with laws getting more thorough in various countries, this will become more important each day), it is going to be hard to pick whatever you'd like... Maybe flip through the substances in PiHKAL and TiHKAL, and if you ever get a chance, use it.

 

[foodcrisis]

The art on this thumbnail sure is how I feel when on some psychs lol, 5-MeO-DiPT especially.

i had a dream i was a statue figuring skating in a petri dish. the statue might've been like one of those bear shaped bottles of honey they have. i'm not really sure.. it was super euphoric. i love tripping in my dreams... it was always super scary the few times it happened to me as a kid, but after taking psychedelics, sometimes it's super peaceful. i'm grateful anytime these dreams occur... i have a dream that's kind of like a mushroom flash back sometimes too. it's crazy. i'm like uncontrollably crying in the dream, but it's euphoric and everything has light beams shooting out of it.

 

[Pfafffed]

They are mind eeeeexpaaaanding

Right? The only thing we like more than drugs is talking about drugs.

@Solo man As someone who is very interested in consuming various psychedelics, I'm more and more convinced that it may be better to stick with a few and learn to use them as a tool. Unless your goal is to just fuck around and experience various more or less different perspectives. But especially if you aren't well connected (and with laws getting more thorough in various countries, this will become more important each day), it is going to be hard to pick whatever you'd like... Maybe flip through the substances in PiHKAL and TiHKAL, and if you ever get a chance, use it

I'm inclined to agree. But I think the first question here for OP is...what for? Do they know yet what they're looking for out of psychedelics? Because if it's experiencing peak experiences, then I don't think shopping around is super important. There are a few fairly common psychedelics that can occasion those, and if that's the case then there are a few we might mention that they may not have thought of.

If the goal is to get perspective, become a better person for yourself and others, and try to get a deeper understanding of your mind and the world we live in, then a deep, personal relationship with some good, reliable psychedelics can honestly be a lot more useful than trying to get a feel for an navigate a dozen new and different spaces every year.

If the goal is to experience the different flavors of experience that the human mind can have in relationship with unique materials, to really try to tease out the relationship between 5-MeO-MiPT, 4-MeO-MiPT, and 4-HO-MiPT, to try to see if you can find the right tools for the right problems, then you might want to dig more into the depths of PIHKAL and TIHKAL.

Cactus time!!!!!

Always a good suggestion. While it may not take you to the limits of consciousness, I think most people that have spent time with it think it's one of the most fulfilling and life-enriching tools in our toolbox. Love to see it.

 

[Esperighanto]

They are mind eeeeexpaaaanding

@Solo man As someone who is very interested in consuming various psychedelics, I'm more and more convinced that it may be better to stick with a few and learn to use them as a tool. Unless your goal is to just fuck around and experience various more or less different perspectives.

This is certainly true, there's a degree of novelty-seeking in trying new substances, but there's also the whole fact of getting to know something. Drugs are tools, and the better you know your tool, the better you can use it. If you're REALLY good with a MIG welder, you can do things that people who've used a MIG just a few times can't do. LSD is similar, psilocybin, 2C-B, anything else I've ever used and found to be a tool functioned similarly. I find a lot of fun in the novelty-hunting though, N,N-DiPT, DOC, and 5-MeO-DiPT I've recently tried, N,N-DPT is up next .

Curently giving the old 5HT2a receptors a break though after a DOx/2C-B/Allylescaline binge that went on for a while. I wouldn't necessarily call it unhealthy, but once my 25X-NBXX tolerance had gone down, I was dying to taste some new drugs so N,N-DiPT, 5-MeO-DiPT, DOB and DOC were tried. Has anybody here found that insufflated DPT cuts through tolerance the same way that vaporized/oral DMT can?

@Pfafffed I feel like straight cactus cannot bring us to the limits of consciousness, but if somebody were to take a very large dose of mescaline extracted from the aforementioned cacti, I bet a profoundly intense psychedelic experience could be had. I am dying to try it at some point in the 1-2g range, maybe higher (talking citrate salt here btw). Mescaline certainly seems more "medicinal" in a way than something like 2C-B, 25I-NBOMe, 5-MeO-DiPT, etc.

 

[Jonneh]

In terms of mapping out points in drug phenomenological space that are nicely distant from what you've tried (a great selection so far), I'd say:

Mescaline, DMT, ketamine, salvia

The majority of the others are variations on a theme, or things that are unique but that it's wise to be very careful about trying (datura, for example). With the above goal of exploration in mind, I personally don't think 2C-B distinguishes itself enough from acid and mushrooms to come before any of the above. Mescaline absolutely does.

I also agree with others that deep can become preferable to broad at a certain point, but given your tasted list it sounds like you might be some way off that point now. Have fun, and be cautiously brave along the way! These wonders can be enjoyed for the rest of your life that way.

 

[Esperighanto]

@Jonneh has some great points here, if you have access to PCP or any of its RC variants, RC 4-substituted tryptamines (ethocin, miprocin, metocin, etc.), N,N-DiPT, harmaline (assuming you're not on any medications that would dangerously interact with it), or MDA, those all contain very unique psychedelic qualities that I would consider meaningfully unique. Ketamine feels less psychedelic to me personally when compared to PCP, and MDMA feels less psychedelic when compared to MDA imo as well.

The real magic of these drugs all come from mixing low doses of numerous things, instead of taking four tabs of acid, taking 2 tabs alongside some vaporized DMT is a fascinating variation upon the psychedelic experience, for example.

 

[Viraldrome]

Good luck finding real mescaline.

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