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Everyone's out there debunking this and whatnot. I too for years thought there was no difference between Indica or Sativa until this year.

I can 100% tell there's a different high in the Sativa, because for one, it doesn't make me really tired and two, it makes my energy skyrocket to the point where I can't keep one part of my body still. Mild visual distortions tend to be more common, but this is in strains 80-100% (pure Sativa's like Durban Poison or Hawaiian). This is a bit of a longer read but I tried to break it up because some people might think it's a lot. If you read books often, let alone long posts, this is a 1 minute read tops.

Even if I were given a random strain and blindly told it was a high Sativa, I would know within minutes what it was. Most things are 50/50 hybrids these days or close to that; these make me as tired as some strains that are 80-100% Indica. They just knock me the hell out, and I notice a sharp lack of psychoactivity. I'd be smoking at a friend or something and within an hour of watching someone I'm struggling to even keep my eyes straight.

No Sativa has done that to me, and the burnout if I'm smoking one is practically non-existent. It's just like a distant tired feeling compared with feeling so tired I end up falling asleep in the shower when I get home. Placebo effect is not something I tend to fall for in terms of drugs or anything really. I didn't expect to get some wild high out of Pineapple Express for instance, haven't even seen that movie.

My friend brought it back from Cali and when I took a fat rip of that, I felt a high unlike anything I'd ever felt. It was like a different drug altogether and I was practically tripping it was so intense. Up to that point I always leaned towards indica simply because I was nostalgic towards most of the strains I started out smoking, which were largely Indica, or because people I know say they prefer Indica because they've had bad times smoking Sativa. Although I do remember smoking Sativa and noticing a difference even when I was new and completely, utterly clueless as to anything weed related, so it's not like I'd looked up what an Indica or Sativa even was. I didn't even know what a dispensary was until I'd already been smoking on dispensary weed for weeks. Had a very solid plug in late high school.

In retrospect I think Sativa always was different for me. I remember smoking some Super Silver Haze back in 2015 and this was probably like, .00025, it was a straight up tiny leaf, and I was so high I was having visual distortions and practically hearing voices despite smoking all summer. My secondary plug at that time did only sell Kine Bud, but my friend was hustling California weed that we called "super danks." I got that same strain again earlier this year and the euphoria and energizing effects were off the charts, and I'm sitting there wondering how the hell there could really be no difference, or if it simply comes down the individual themselves.

I don't know if science has ever definitively proved that there's no difference in the high. I'm told it's all placebo if I ask about it anywhere else, but I know it isn't. Apparently, everyone has a different endocannabinoid system and that may be a reason why some notice a difference, and some don't, among other things. Maybe someone else knows more about this and why only some of us can seem to notice a difference, while to others good bud is just good bud and the only difference is taste or smell and not much in the way of the high.

I think having such a sensitive tolerance with cannabis related things as of like 1.5 years after I started, so November 2012ish, may be a reason why. I can smoke literally less than 0.1 and get higher than I did when I was newer off a joint to the face. But I guess that's also just a testament to how insanely strong a lot of weed is now. I think 15-20% was probably average back in the early tweens or probably most of the tweens. It wasn't until so many more states legalized it that good dispensaries were popping up and now the average is like 25-30% anywhere I go. I'll rarely come across bud that's in the teens.

I know dispensaries definitely overuse the terms and might think something that's like, 60% Sativa like Blue Dream is automatically going to be heady, when really that one is more of a spacey, heady Indica and a lot of cuts probably end up like 55/50, maybe some end up 50/50. I don't know how that works exactly. Regardless, once I discovered Sativa's are like this for me it's pretty much all I bother to get.

At least until the world ends.
 
Well since you said that in the past you believed that there was no difference in high, at which point did that believe change and because of which experiences? I guess there is simply not enough scientific data or research to tell either way. Is there even information about if "sativa" and "indica" plants produce a significantly different chemical makeup? They seem to be usually distinguished by the public and industry by heritage (indica from central asia (afghanistan, pakistan...) and sativa from south asia (India) and difference in growth habit. But I haven't heard of a reasonable differentiation between the two supposed types regarding psychoactive components. One common theme is that Sativas lack CBD but there are also lots of indica that don't have it in appreciable amounts I believe. THC is the main psychoactive in both, so it would be a matter of secondary cannabinoids or even terpenoids. So scientists would have to prove that there are robust differences between the two types AND that such a difference can be linked to differing psychoactive effects in clinical studies. Pretty complex topic and given the legal status of cannabis world wide, I don't expect that we'll have that knowledge anytime soon.
 
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THC is the main psychoactive in both, so it would be a matter of secondary cannabinoids or even terpenoids. So scientists would have to prove that there are robust differences between the two types AND that such a difference can be linked to differing psychoactive effects in clinical studies
This would be my guess as well.

I've always heard the only real difference is that sativa plants are taller & thinner & indica is more bushy & short. But I too notice difference between sativa & indica. And it's probably due to the different cannabinoids present in each. Since the secondary cannabinoids are psychoactive too, to a degree.

So it's probably just that sativa's produce more energizing terpenes/cannabinoids & indica's prolly have their own terpene/cannabinoid profile which lends to it's "body high" or "sleepy" effects.
 
i think some people's brain chemistries notice the terps or whatever makes the sativas different than the indicas and others the thc will just over power everything and they'll always get the same high... once the dispensaries opened i was trying what was supposedly indica v.s. sativa for a couple years with smoking and didn't really notice too much of a difference other than maybe a slightly more uplifting high for a short period if i were to smoke a lot of sativa... i tried some gummies with natural weed terps added recently though and it kind of hit different than the regular gummies, so i'm thinking i might be more sensative to that stuff orally. i have to try some more of them to see if it's really legit high or if i was just feeling different that day or feeling placebo effects. i'll definitely make some comments on that when i get around to it. i felt obviously different for sure, but i'm not really too familiar with the dispensary edibles. i don't know if i'm dosing lower, probably the case, but i feel like they have a bit different feel than when i cooked up butter. i usually didn't really like the doses of cannabutter i took. anymore than a half gram has been unenjoyable with that... i just took 25mgs of the sativa gummies. it was pretty obvious feeling. sometimes i take 50mgs of gummies. i'll have to try upping the doses of the sativa ones and see what happens.
 
The other one hundred something cannaboids, are what make it an sativa is or an indica
 
Sativas used to be the only pot available. Mexican was sativa. Columbian was Sativa. Jamaican was Sativa.
When Indicas started being available, people noticed a difference. If it's an urban myth, where did that come from?
Are we going to say that Moroccan and Lebanese hash don't have a different high from pot as well?
There used to be times that Lebanese hash was the only thing available. People would go to great lengths to try to get some pot to take a few hits with the hash and round out the high. What's up with that?
 
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Sativas used to be the only pot available. Mexican was sativa. Columbian was Sativa. Jamaican was Sativa.
Wow, I never really thought about it or knew that. So the downtown Brown Mexican or Colombian was a sativa. Actually cannabis sativa was the only term I knew back then. The term Indica was floating around, but not as much. I had no idea that Hawaiian sensemilla was a sativa. I presumed thai stick was too.

Mac, it is always a pleasure to see you posting my man. Hope you’re well.
 
IMO this is as rational as to judge de quality of milk by a cow's motifs on its leather...
And ironically it is actually true. The best milk comes from certain breeds, and these breeds can largely be identified by the distinctive difference in hide markings and colors.

Best Milk Cows...

We had Holstiens on our farm...

Life can be funny this way, sometimes ;)
 
We had Holsteins on our farm...

Me too and yes, that's exactly what i meant if you inferred that genetics reflect in more ways than one. Although we may not understand the links we can at least recognize some of the hints, yet i'd avoid gambling on it now that we know about molecules and the entourage effect.
 
Sativas used to be the only pot available. Mexican was sativa. Columbian was Sativa. Jamaican was Sativa.
When Indicas started being available, people noticed a difference. If it's an urban myth, where did that come from?
Are we going to say that Moroccan and Lebanese hash don't have a different high as well?
There used to be times that Lebanese hash was the only thing available. People would go to great lengths to try to get some pot to take a few hits with the hash and round out the high. What's up with that?
Saaame all the reggie weed back then was sativa. It was much fluffier and lighter than the shit you get nowadays. Nowadays its all hard like rocks
 
Saaame all the reggie weed back then was sativa. It was much fluffier and lighter than the shit you get nowadays. Nowadays its all hard like rocks
Plus some of the bud these days is so sticky that if you throw one up at the ceiling it could stick to it.
 
Solid point. my main strains excluding the Sativa Amnesia. all haze. Somehow haze equals Sativa,
while tecnically Hemp is Sativa and Weed hybrids of Indica and Sativa.

My preference is Haze/ Sativa, the variety s containing THC ! As Hemp with 0.1 % THC and CBD technically is Sativa 100%.
if the interpretation of information is right.

All Hemp is Sativa. Sativa can be bread to contain THC. Indica always contains THC ?
And The three kind s can be crossed Sativa, Indica and the auto-flowering Ruderalis.

Don t get sleepy/ lazy from hybrids or Indicas but have a obvious preference for a Sativa myself too.
And like the since this last time available legal CBD weed. Nice mix, no idea if the CBD is a Sativa. But its legal.
Weed with THC is tolerated, but technically illegal.
 
take the most extreme tropical sativas (original haze, oldtimer's haze, wheat- grain pheno of cannabiogen's destroyer) and put them up against the most renowned indicas (black domina, herijuana, a particularly debilitating pheno of some afghan hashplant, etc.)

like smoke one, wait a day or two, smoke the other... i guarantee you'd see a difference.

but there is no clear line between them, there's a rainbow between them.

there are sativas (panama red, colombian red) of legend that lay you out, super narcotic stone... there are pure afghani hashplants that cause fear and paranoia. there is a WORLD out there in india alone where you can find extremes of long flowering sativas of supposed coffee- like fx (kerala, for example) and then go north and find hash producing areas with legendarily mellow, feel- good varieties.

the modern, commercial stuff you can find in a dispensary?

pretty much all modern, commercial hybrids. the sativa v indica designation becomes UTTERLY meaningless (basically marketing terms, just like when they tell you humulene's value is simply in its "appetite supressant" qualities... and other regurgitated factoids) once you step foot in a commercial weed establishment.
 
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Columbian Weed was before Haze excisted/ took off at the top of my fav strains.
Dissapeared of the map btw. My friends never got it/ liked the taste ?
I also was delited when Jack Herrer appeared,
don t know which catagory it falls but sure tasted Sativish. [Sativa dominant]

We were used to Blonde Maroc/ Polm and Skunk [probably Indica dominant hybrid]
Skunk unlike a good Haze really gets you stoned instead off high !
Kush seems a bit alike in effects, tastewise totally different with its earthy Terpenes.

Humulene, is that a Terpene, AKA Caryophyllene. responseable for the taste of Weed and Koriander.
Thats new, the most used flavoring herb WW Koriander. Super healthy i know, but tastes like soap.
 
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take the most extreme tropical sativas (original haze, oldtimer's haze, wheat- grain pheno of cannabiogen's destroyer) and put them up against the most renowned indicas (black domina, herijuana, a particularly debilitating pheno of some afghan hashplant, etc.)

like smoke one, wait a day or two, smoke the other... i guarantee you'd see a difference.

but there is no clear line between them, there's a rainbow between them.

there are sativas (panama red, colombian red) of legend that lay you out, super narcotic stone... there are pure afghani hashplants that cause fear and paranoia. there is a WORLD out there in india alone where you can find extremes of long flowering sativas of supposed coffee- like fx (kerala, for example) and then go north and find hash producing areas with legendarily mellow, feel- good varieties.

the modern, commercial stuff you can find in a dispensary?

pretty much all modern, commercial hybrids. the sativa v indica designation becomes UTTERLY meaningless (basically marketing terms, just like when they tell you humulene's value is simply in its "appetite supressant" qualities... and other regurgitated factoids) once you step foot in a commercial weed establishment.
Great post. I'd disagree with "utterly" meaningless, but that's only a matter of degree. Still means a little, but many or most are "Cannabis americanus" and are very homogeneous.

Nice that you pointed out that it is a spectrum with even the old school stuff. Yes, Panama and Columbian Red were knockout strains. Still, it was a different knockout thing than Indica. Full spectrum, psychedelic, knockout, rocket fuel. The grail, as far as my liking. And I didn't get to get a hold of them near often enough.


the judge don't know when red's in town
he keeps well hidden underground
but everybody's acting lazy
falling out and hangin' 'round

my woman said, "hey pedro
you're actin' crazy like a clown"
nobody feels like working
panama red is back in town





BTW: Hemp has always been lower THC since it was bred in the temperate zone for rope. But, the gubment bred hemp to be even lower THC and that's the hemp we have now. So, it's a Sativa actually bred to be low THC. Sativas are longer and taller plants and give the desired long fibers for rope.
 
I FORGOT!

harvest window is super duper important!

the same plant, taken at two different times, can have very different effects. let's say we take our strain early, with mostly clear but some cloudy trichomes... you might find the high too edgy, stimulating, nervous, thin, etc.

now that same plant, taken wayy too far to the point of mostly amber trichomes, you might find it too couchlocky and stupefying.

with mostly cloudy trichomes, might be JUST right... good and longlasting without producing lethargy, nice and high head on it without anxiety, dense and full stone without making you dense (i can dream), etc...

just a thought, nothing is every perfectly black and white ime.

ooo, and curing it can change everything, as well. hobbyist growers of sativas typically jar cure them for AT LEAST 3 months, often aiming for over 6 mos... some ppl cure for OVER a year, i've seen them accidentally leave it for over two or three years and it's still good or even has changed for the better.

typically bud mellows, smooths out for me with long cures, but that is no guarantee. things develop in good ways and bad ways.

Humulene, is that a Terpene, AKA Caryophyllene. responseable for the taste of Weed and Koriander.
alpha- caryophyllene is humulene (i've only ever heard it called 'humulene'... 'alpha caryophyllene' is a mouthful) but beta- caryophyllene (bcp) is the one ppl just call 'caryophyllene'.

i think some oxide of bcp... like caryophyllene- oxide is what they train drug dogs to sniff for. so maybe that's the one that makes it so you can still smell an incensy ''that's definitely weed'' smell when it's only some year- old shake residue in a container? just a guess.

caryophyllene is responsible for the NON- spicy side of black pepper... that nice herbal, woody thing it has (the pungency aka spiciness is due to piperidine and chavicine), as well as the taste and smell of grains of paradise (same thing... NOT the heat/ sneeze factor, i mean the underlying aroma/ flavor side of it). kinda like cedar, in the same realm as sandalwood... my guess is it's what ppl look for in "frankies" or "church" weed when it comes to new york hazes/ piffs (which are purported to be northern lights x haze crosses from nevil, A5 haze likely... 50% haze-A and 50% NL5 hybrid).

at the very least, i believe those incensy terps to be sesquiterps like bcp, and/ or oxides of them
 
Beta-Carophyllene according to WIKI is a full CB2-Agonist. Ki = 155 nM at the CB2 receptors in mice.
Don t know what binding affinties the Synthoids the relaxed ones have.

Or if it more like 2-AG, the endogenous Cannabinoid. With high affintity low efficiancy.
The synthoids where highly efficient also.
 
I FORGOT!

harvest window is super duper important!

the same plant, taken at two different times, can have very different effects. let's say we take our strain early, with mostly clear but some cloudy trichomes... you might find the high too edgy, stimulating, nervous, thin, etc.

now that same plant, taken wayy too far to the point of mostly amber trichomes, you might find it too couchlocky and stupefying.

with mostly cloudy trichomes, might be JUST right... good and longlasting without producing lethargy, nice and high head on it without anxiety, dense and full stone without making you dense (i can dream), etc...

just a thought, nothing is every perfectly black and white ime.

ooo, and curing it can change everything, as well. hobbyist growers of sativas typically jar cure them for AT LEAST 3 months, often aiming for over 6 mos... some ppl cure for OVER a year, i've seen them accidentally leave it for over two or three years and it's still good or even has changed for the better.
Cured only once, went wrong but resulted in better Weed. What happens during curing as it does take the Spinach taste away ?
 
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