Bupe I took a bupe vacation because I had unbearable pain, I wanna stay safe

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

So I've been tapering Suboxone and it's a slow as a snail process, pretty much the speed of a benzo taper, unfortunately though it's impossible to be scripted odd numbers up here, as we only have pills, a lot like the old orange suboxone pills that were in the US. Ours are white and are made so you can't shoot it, because of how acidic it is, I already told this forum and others how sickeningly acidic the pills are, they got artificial and natural extracts of lime and lemon...so no SteriFilt or micron is going to get rid of the solution's very low PH. I always had perfect teeth, 3 years into the Suboxone, well 2, it started last year, I go to the dentist, where I only ever had 3 tiny cavities, finding out that the Suboxone caused me to get over 20 cavities, all my lower teeth have fillings, and my insurance only pays for white fillings for frontal teeth + canines and the upper premolars, not the lower ones. And of course you can't be prescribed odd (or is it even) numbers of mg, there's 2mg and 8mg pills, you can't be prescribed 9mg for example. I got accustomed to 10mg (I started at 12) after 3 months, and now I got accustomed to 8mg when taking 10mg a day, 8mg the other, until it was 5 days 8mg and 2 days 10mg a week and now since 2 weeks it's 8mg a day, which I often take more and end up with only 4-8mg for the last 2 days, yeah, my province, Ontario has done it, but mine...it's just like methadone, can't get more than 6 day worth of takehomes and you gotta take a dose and stand there in the pharmacy until the thing has melted under my tongue, I speed up the process when unfortunately the owner who I have a great relationship with lets me leave right away when he sees me taking my 8mg pill, but now it's a nice new pharmacist girl who's very nice and non-judgmental in her manner, she treats me with a smile and small-talk like any other customer would no matter the medication, she's fit for the job, but since she's new..she won't let me leave until the thing is totally melted where I gotta open my mouth and show to her.

I had a bout of pain, the pain I got into opiates for in the first place, first legally, but the specialist I saw retired on me and I got one hell of a wd and it was small fries, but it was a chronic opiate regimen because he wouldn't do surgery there. Skip 7 years later and I've been on ORT since 4 years because I couldn't get help and had no GP, until early 2011, I did not have a GP since a decade, when the old man died.

Now straight to the point, I got a bunch of pills here. I didn't take Suboxone since about 48 hours, and it was just 2mg I cut from my 8mg pill. I talked about how I shot 90mg of morphine from very well filtered MS IR's. That was effective, very much so, and I was even startled by the rush which is not hyper-pleasant like Dilaudid, which is what got me where I am, IV'ing hydromorphone.

I've got Oxy IR 20mg, a moderate quantity. I've taken 60mg at 11 pm, I had the 2mg of Suboxone on friday morning. I'm a bit underwhelmed, I do feel it, and thankfully I got my hydroxyzine 50mg refilled today, that mixes well with any opiate, plus oxycodone used to give me pretty hardcore itching at times before I got on the ORT wagon (which honestly, I think I should have just rode it through, the withdrawal from slamming 32 to 64mg of dilaudid a day...it would have been hell, but just for 10-12 days max, this suboxone is a drag and I want out, I'm promised a place in the pain clinic where I'll get a regimen of real opiates and we pretty much settled on generic oxycodone-CR 60mg.

I'm just wondering, the underwhelming, sure, I say it's because suboxone takes a very long time to get out of your body, but i've been taking 2mg,4mg increments since 4 days before I did not take any Suboxone, because the jaw pain was getting through and the bupe wasn't hiding the pain anymore, it's a shit painkiller at ORT doses.

I'm just afraid that if I take more, I will increase chances of respiratory depression that's in the very bad-your-inhaler-no-matter-how-strong-it-is (Symbicort, it's up there in the best/strongest for my light case of emphysema). And I have to go the pharmacy on suboxone tuesdays, which is my designated day where I have to come in and take my dose in front of the pharmacist. Now unlike usual, I won't be going there at 8am when it opens, I'll show up in the evening. I only intend on taking more OxyIR today (latest would be supper time today at 5-6 pm). I don't want to fuck up and give myself precipitated WD right there in the pharmacy, that would take away all my privileges and there's no way to shun the dose, the best I can do is chew it up, they say not to, but never notice that I do chew them to get the hell out of here when the owner isn't there, the one who's cool and lets me leave right away, I'll have to chew the thing and spit it out when I go outside, preferably while sitting in my car and in a used soda bottle. The Oxycodone is doing great for the pain, although there's no euphoria or nodding, I did get some nodding from the 3 MS IR 30's I crushed, filtered and injected, but it wasn't the best nod I ever had even though it had been more than 36 hours that I had that 2mg piece of suboxone pill.

I only want to try and use about 4 other in the day...maybe all at the same time so I get the equivalent of a generic oxycontin 80mg that I would chew away. I'm just worried about the remaining suboxone in my blood, I know how doses stack on themselves, it was easier to get high/get better pain relief when I was on methadone and just skipped my morning dose or just had 1/4 of the bottle, so like 20mg of methadone only.

Long post, but I feel like I need to offer all necessary information here. I want to hear about other people taking a bupe "vacation", especially those who have pain issues and how I can get the best out of this precious oxyIR I got in my stash, where I got a bunch of pharms that are totally useless because of the bupe. This time I actually did wait until I was sweating like if I ran a marathon (my worst opi wd side effect, other than the pins and needles all over the body, burning like fire pins and needles, not the kind where you sleep on your arm and get a feeling of needles and pins. Anyway, any opiate user/abuser/total junky will know what I'm talking about. I don't wish to take more from my OxyIR stash than 4 more, but I want it to be worth it and be sure to be safe when I'll show up in the evening instead of 8 am when I go pick my suboxone and take the mandatory supervised dose.

Thanks for your attention.

 

[cj]

Can you swallow the sub without them noticing? That would drop the bioavailability to less then 10 percent and probably stop PW.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

I guess, but that would be a waste...I'm wondering if something like these 7 oxyIR 20mg I removed from my stash, because I couldn't stand the physical pain anymore, if 24 hours after taking the oxycodone, if I'm going to be able to go back to bupe. I mean the whole precipitated withdrawals thing about Suboxone is mostly when Methadone a long lasting, very long lasting even, opioid. I'm just wonder if I can catch a meaningful high today, I knew yesterday and the day before, I would get diminished returns, but the painkilling action did work, what made me break the glass in case of emergency stash is because of that pain. I seriously doubt that I can't now that it's been 3 days without Suboxone, and that when I switched from methadone to bupe, I was at 39mg of done a day, not the 30mg being touted by the makers themselves, had 48 hours without anything and was induced safely at 2mg given in 2 hour intervals and then if I felt fine, I could leave after four hours, which I did, and then come again the next day where they gave me 4mg and another 4mg 2 hours later and I was fine, so I left with a script for 12mg. Oxycodone doesn't last as long as methadone no way, so I'm just asking to be extra safe and also to have a worthy buzz and not just removed from my inventory those oxyir 20 (I got more but for now that is all I'm willing to remove from it, and it's a temporary thing, for sure, All I know is that bupe shot my tolerance ever higher than I had, even when I was slamming 32 to 64mg a day of Dilaudid, I had a smaller tolerance. Dilaudid IV is amazing for the rush, but it's gone from one's body real fast, sure urine tests will detect it for say max 5 days after consumption, I don't have my ORT clinic appointment to renew the script and answer negative to the same old question, where I've been such a perfect patient they almost never even piss test me anymore, it's considered a waste of money to do so I imagine, and yes I am pretty much a perfect patient, almost anybody with all the opiates I keep in a safe I have wouldn't have the discipline of never touching them because they're on bupe...I only picked in it 3 times in the 4 years I've been on ORT now, pretty much 4 years to the day.

I really want to feel more than the painkilling, which while it is very welcome, is also something I miss, and I'm out of SteriFilts after that one injection of 3 MSIR 30's.

 

[chase_in_56ace]

You'll be fine 24 hours after the oxy to return to bupe. 100% no doubt about it.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Yeah, I was fine 34 hours later, played it safe, only had 2mg and waited and it was fine. It seems I'm not the kind who is not preconditioned to get Precipitated Withdrawal. I jumped from 39mg methadone, 48 hour nothing then 2mg suboxone was tried, and the next day 4mg was tried and I was fine despite the many warnings here that I should wait till 30mg...the doctors were not concerned at all and said they were almost a 100% sure I would be fine, and they were. I was already a fast metabolizer of methadone, often making it hit hard with rx 600mg tagamet where in the evening I would have to take a little sip from my dose supposed for the next day. Explains how I was able to "slip" and shoot up Dilaudid if I only had 20mg or so methadone, max dose I had was 60mg, when I got down to 52-50mg, reducing 2-3mg a month, I was able to shoot up Dilaudid in the evening and get the blissful rush. With Suboxone....the OxyIR's 20mg worked but I did not get much euphoria, even when eating 80mg at once, I did get really high (and was surprised by the rush, I never injected 90mg of morphine back when I had a high but normal pre-bupe pre-methadone tolerance, the most I would do is 50mg Statex (another kind of MS IR, safer to IV, exact inactives as brand name Dillies). The rush was overwhelming but after that I was really nicely high for a good 5 hours and slept soundly for 12 hours). Although, I know Statex is not available outside Canada, and those MS IR 30's I had, although pretty tiny, I used a Securicup filter then a SteriFilt (my very last SteriFilt left in my stash), so I was safe injecting MSIR. Otherwise, the only other safe way, so you do not get DVT, lung deposits, vein destruction is a micron filter. I do not know about generic MSIR-like pills in the US, like I don't know much about your strange Mallinkrock or whatever, this company does not do business in Canada, Dilaudid which is this white square pill at any dosage, just the number changes...I think I remember them being unsafe to IV with regular cotton like Purdue/normal Dilaudid.

Anyway, it did perform as a better painkiller than bupe. But no sense of well being out of extraordinary. Before ORT, a single OxyIR 20mg would get me so high...

 

[Ilove2nod]

I used to take bupe "vacations" a lot, before actually committing to my subs, and haven't done it over a year now(taken a full-agonist). But I have a VERY fast metabolism, and would shoot up everything, oxy, dilaudid, morphine, opana, and heroin.. mostly I would mix oxy with dilaudid, like 60-90mg of oxy, 8mg of dilly, in one shot, and do that as morphine IRs or Opana IRs weren't ever easy to come by, that was a rare occurrence... and I would shoot dope too, if it was good, on my vacations... Usually anywhere from 0.5G to a G of good either ECP or black tar heroin where I live there is both... Anytime I did this, I made sure to wait about 10-12 hours before taking my bupe, I IV my subutex as well, and have been since before I started to take these bupe vacations, for like 3 years, maybe 2.5 years... but anyway yeah, after doing a shot of whatever full agonist I listen above, in pretty decent sized doses IMO, I could get away with shooting 2mg of bupe the next day when I woke up, usually like I said above, around 12 hours later... and never once went into PWD, thankfully! Not everyone is like me though, and has a fast metabolism, able to use bupe no matter the ROA, that soon after using full agonists.. I have even taken bupe like 8-10 hrs after doing like a 0.5G of good dope, and been fine when I shot the 2mg of bupe... but I could tell I was right on the edge, and probably just missed going into PWD, so I wouldn't recommend doing that, that soon after.. again no matter what ROA, since you take yours a different way than I do, I would think IV would be an even more risky ROA for bupe to go into PWD with, than sub'l. Also, I have to ask... How long has Canada, had these suboxone that aren't able to be slammed? Since they came out? and do any doctors there prescribe anything else, or just brand name suboxone, and have it set up as a methadone clinic like place, having to take supervised doses 1 day a week to get take homes for a week?

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

We were supposed to get Subutex in 2005 or so, but I couldn't care less then, I was a space cadet psychedelic/dissociative user most of all then. But I read about how Rickett twisted the arm of Health Canada (a mix between the FDA and the CDC) so we had to wait for Suboxone, it came out in late 2009. The problem for IV'ing them is like I said...they're like your old orange Suboxone pills, although I suspect these were less acidic, those taste like Mr.Clean so much they are acidic, containing ungodly amounts of natural and artificial extracts of lime and lemon.

Since a year we got Teva and Mylan Suboxone, goes like Teva-Bupre-Nalox 8/2 on the bottle. If one wants to, they can pay a small amount depending on their daily doses, when I was at 10mg it would cost me 17 dollars if I wanted to keep brand name Suboxone, but I didn't, the Tevas are much, much less acidic. Mylan's are extremely acidic but at least they taste good, if you like lemon pie. But yeah, those things are real bad for you veins, burning them from inside and god knows after that, even if you got a micron filter or a SteriFilt (filters made to IV pills, coke, H, even works with crack), this will not remove the juice that these pills create when placed into water. God, it's taken me so long to write this, I got a severe sinus infection, might be viral because a robaxacet every 4 hours kills the headache and fever, only thing tylenol is good for, fever. So it's comfort meds, which includes brand name Halcion 0.25mg...that stuff is amazing, practically impossible to get even if still legal for being scripted.

Anyway, hope the info was of some pertinence to you.

One province, Ontario, has the system for Suboxone only, like in the US, if the doctor has taken the needed course which is a joke, they can get 30 day supplies there, lucky bastards. In my province it's like if I was still on Methadone, got to have a pharmacist supervised dose, although a couple just let me go after I put them in my mouth, they know I'm not a problematic guy. The young female pharmacists insist on me staying and I gotta show her inside of my mouth before leaving with my 6 days worth of takehomes.