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Tryptamines I made a rookie mistake

Coffeeshroom

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Hey everyone.

In the last few weeks I come across of a lot of psychedelics so me loving shrooms I went for it. A strain I never tried albino penis envies and i also took a hero dose of 5g.

I use to chow alot of shrooms and was use to taking 7g and it was not so heavy. Had the best day with that 7g transkei shrooms.

But this trip messed me up and i like feel disconnected from the world. Totally the opposite of what I wanted or needed.

I'm not feeling myself, a lot happened in my trip, bad things, and now I feel messed up.

I want to wait till Saturday and do a hero dose of Golden teachers in another environment and try reset the fuck up and clean myself. Hope you guys understand what I'm trying say.

yeah thats why I was MIA for a few days

Any input in this
 
I have heard that penis envy are much more potent than most other strains of cubensis. 5g dried fruit seems like a very large dose, I've heard that 1-2g is more appropriate for a medium strength experience
 
I have heard that penis envy are much more potent than most other strains of cubensis. 5g dried fruit seems like a very large dose, I've heard that 1-2g is more appropriate for a medium strength experience
This. I think 3.5g of PE shrooms would've been enough.well, it's done. Good luck with ur next trip. 💛
 
Thanks guys but I know that I need x amount for x amount x effect but
Sometime things go wrong. No matter the dosages.

I use to live of the stuff when I went of the grid so to speak and live was so good but then I had to drop all hallucinogens cause of responsibility. So obviously tolerance and such was
there but even as a noob certain dosage you gonn get what you must get at that dose. So dosage wise I know what I wanted and what to expect at that dose and also was warned that they are very strong but I told him what I want and why and said I just need to be carefull and in control and to really make sure your settling and situation is settled as that with this strain was important he said and not to end it.

But I know that was my fuck up. Not dose but my setting, my mind place.
So even someone that knows all this shit and stuff, so even a seasonal vet make mistakes.

I messed up and have only myself to blame so please certain thing that we say and follow is for reason. I hope someone will take something good from my fuck up and know that there is bad things to come If you don't follow the rules. And i had it setup. Got myself a room alone at a BnB buy then half hour after thing it I had and interaction and instead of ignoring it and sending it away. I entertained it for a while and when I felt it kick in and still had this problem I went and chose to quick end it with a few things.

So that's how my setting went wrong. I just want to know ifni fucked up my mind, live, everything of nothing.

Anyone every had to do what I did or exp what I did. I'm not me, not myself. I felt something big come on and instead of riding it out and reset so to speak I chose the opposite.

May this post also show pll what happens when you don't follow the rules.

I just hope my heads space will return, hard to explain how I feel, the disconnection I'm feeling. Anyone ever exp this or something similar.

Shrooms that I always use to chow that where my favorite and always gave what I wanted where golden teacher and transkei strain. I tried other butchose were my go toys.

So that why I also want to rather take what I know and ( and make sure my setting is guaranteed to be undisturbed) as I want my hero dose and more understanding and answers.

Shrooms has always been like a vision trip to me of things to come and what path to take. And has helped me even get of H without any comfort meds. At that time. I only smoked weed and chowed shrooms and like I said live was awesome and peaceful. Wds happened but I didn't feel it, like my mind just chose to ignore the wds, lol

Anyhow sorry for rumbling.

Just hope I start feeling better and that my next one is guaranteed to work out, no Interruption and not telling anyone where and what I'm doing.

So apart from setting emergency or instant trip stopper, is there any real harmful or longterm damage when having to do that.

Like I was on the way to get a gift but then stooped and rejected it.

Feel like scared my gift won't be given anymore and punishment is waiting but is needed

Sorry if that was too much to read.
 
Thanks guys but I know that I need x amount for x amount x effect but
Sometime things go wrong. No matter the dosages.

I use to live of the stuff when I went of the grid so to speak and live was so good but then I had to drop all hallucinogens cause of responsibility. So obviously tolerance and such was
there but even as a noob certain dosage you gonn get what you must get at that dose. So dosage wise I know what I wanted and what to expect at that dose and also was warned that they are very strong but I told him what I want and why and said I just need to be carefull and in control and to really make sure your settling and situation is settled as that with this strain was important he said and not to end it.

But I know that was my fuck up. Not dose but my setting, my mind place.
So even someone that knows all this shit and stuff, so even a seasonal vet make mistakes.

I messed up and have only myself to blame so please certain thing that we say and follow is for reason. I hope someone will take something good from my fuck up and know that there is bad things to come If you don't follow the rules. And i had it setup. Got myself a room alone at a BnB buy then half hour after thing it I had and interaction and instead of ignoring it and sending it away. I entertained it for a while and when I felt it kick in and still had this problem I went and chose to quick end it with a few things.

So that's how my setting went wrong. I just want to know ifni fucked up my mind, live, everything of nothing.

Anyone every had to do what I did or exp what I did. I'm not me, not myself. I felt something big come on and instead of riding it out and reset so to speak I chose the opposite.

May this post also show pll what happens when you don't follow the rules.

I just hope my heads space will return, hard to explain how I feel, the disconnection I'm feeling. Anyone ever exp this or something similar.

Shrooms that I always use to chow that where my favorite and always gave what I wanted where golden teacher and transkei strain. I tried other butchose were my go toys.

So that why I also want to rather take what I know and ( and make sure my setting is guaranteed to be undisturbed) as I want my hero dose and more understanding and answers.

Shrooms has always been like a vision trip to me of things to come and what path to take. And has helped me even get of H without any comfort meds. At that time. I only smoked weed and chowed shrooms and like I said live was awesome and peaceful. Wds happened but I didn't feel it, like my mind just chose to ignore the wds, lol

Anyhow sorry for rumbling.

Just hope I start feeling better and that my next one is guaranteed to work out, no Interruption and not telling anyone where and what I'm doing.

So apart from setting emergency or instant trip stopper, is there any real harmful or longterm damage when having to do that.

Like I was on the way to get a gift but then stooped and rejected it.

Feel like scared my gift won't be given anymore and punishment is waiting but is needed

Sorry if that was too much to read.
I'm sorry that you had such a difficult experience. Sounds like it was a learning lesson at least.

You mentioned wanting to wait until Saturday and do another dose of a different strain and hope for a reset. I can't say, maybe that will work, maybe it won't. I just mention because it sounds like you're still reeling from this experience (which is 1000% understandable). Trips like that can be A LOT to process and can even be somewhat traumatic. Saturday is only 2 days away. I'm sure in a weeks time after you've had more time to integrate that you'll be feeling much more like your usual self than you are at this moment. If things are still raw and you don't feel mentally fit for another trip on Saturday then please don't feel obligated to dose again because you told yourself that you would. I don't know what's best for you. Just please listen to your gut. If Saturday comes and you feel good about it then I'd say go for it, but if you don't feel ready then no harm in waiting a week :)

Much love and I hope that you're able to pull something meaningful out of this experience during the integration period. I wish you the absolute best
 
Much love and I hope that you're able to pull something meaningful out of this experience during the integration period. I wish you the absolute best
Same here CS. And I agree with SP. Take more time off. Tomorrow is Sat already. :) However if the feeling is there go for it. You will know.

I know the feeling of wanting a trip with clarity and bliss to be my last trip. I never liked when I ended with a bad one, which really was only a handful of times out of 1000's. Mushrooms do what they want.

I remember once I took 5 gr of Amazonian Cubensis and had a bad trip. I was alone at night. Proper set and setting. Now I had about 15 trips with this batch over a year so I was surprised twice by what happened. I had my eyes closed, watching the rich visuals until it just went black. Then I felt like I backed up from the black and realized I was looking into they eye of an insectoid type thing. Within 3 seconds something real dramatic happened. It told me everything I ever did was because he told me to do it. Very convincing in that stated of mind. I was freaked. But what I did next was taken from the video below. I told him to simply "GET LOST". The rest of the trip was very spooked and I rode it out with nothing but time. This was a time period where I still used cannabis to come down from psychedelics or alcohol on occasion. So no benzos (looking back wish I did but I went years without so much as a 5 mgs diazepam)

I lived with that trip 4 weeks then the next trip was Angelic. Strange states they can cause. Set and setting is up there in importance.

Good luck CS, when you have a good trip override this one come and update us. :) You'll be ok. Being shaken up is good. I also learned as I got a lot older to have some benzos around. I could have used them that night. Now my nervous system is not wired as calmly as 30 years ago so I have to have something at the end.

 
Yeah Thanks guys for all. It's Saturday and yeah I'm no where near ready.

Think maybe even a 2 week wait or is needed, just to get grounded ( hard to explain but sure most know what I'm refer too or feeling )

Plus I also have this horrible flu right now that definitely needs to be handled first.

But when I do decide to do it I will definitely let you guys around.

Awe
 
I trip a lot and I had only ever felt threatened by mushrooms. I love them, wouldn't say I've ever had a "bad trip", but sometimes some serious bullshit occurs. My fiance saw a humanoid with a deer skull head and deer legs in the living room, blinked and it was gone. At that moment, I was in the bathroom staring into my own eyes (a meditative habit I do while tripping) the exact image appeared to me. As I leaned forward, it felt like his forehead came out and the antlers pushed my hair back. As our heads kind of no-clipped through one another, I saw the bone of his chin grow fur that mirrored my beard, he was talking to me in numerous simultaneous human voices that I couldn't quite understand but he didn't move his mouth to do it.

My fiance and I refer to it as "The Green Man incident", as the imagery fits the image of the green man we were raised viewing as a deity.
 
@Coffeeshroom, what you're describing is something that happens to almost everyone who has eaten lots of mushrooms. Especially when you get used to certain settings, large dosages, and a particular strain or type of mushroom. It becomes an automatic activity, you take your huge dose of mushrooms, have a good time, and a few days later do the same thing. On and on and you stop learning as much from your trips, you take the lessons for granted, and your growth kind of stagnates.

Then something changes. You do a different species or strain in the wrong amount. Your body doesn't like it and rebels. The people around you change from the normal friendly ones you're used to. Suddenly you're around wingnuts or jackasses. You have to deal with a complicated issue that causes your brain to relate it to past trauma or regrets. Or you get lost in the woods or in town. The next time you take mushrooms you can get stuck back in the panic of your last trip.

I've seen sad cases of this, where good people that love to trip decide they can't take mushrooms anymore. Or even other psychedelics. To me it's a great waste because

a. Laughter is the greatest medicine
b. mushrooms make you laugh more than anything
c. Therefore mushrooms are the greatest mushrooms

I believe mushrooms are an amazing medicine and I'd be a much more unhappy person without them. I've saved myself from getting caught in a 'shroom rut' although I've taken breaks of several years. When I was young if I felt something bad coming on I'd grab a sleeping bag, get in a closet, put the sleeping bag over my head and meditate. Something extraordinary would always happen. One time in particular when I had a terrible feeling like the mushrooms had 'poisoned' me, inside the sleeping bag I was suddenly in Brahmaloka.

I guess hyperspace is the modern term for what I considered Brahmaloka. In Hinduism 'Lokas' are worlds populated by different races of beings. Not going to waste time discussing Hindu mythology but these worlds are where angels and devils and leprachauns and elves and dwarves and humans anthropomorphic animals and enlightened ones live.

I hit the jackpot with Brahamaloka, I suppose I could have gone to hell loka or animal loka or demon loka or some other horrible place. Instead of wasting more time he's a link to wiki's blurb on Brahamaloka if someone is interested.


I figured out it was Brahamaloka because there was a man standing there. I could tell it was Brahama, the Hindu creator God. He is not worshiped much, there's snakes that have more temples than Brahma. He's only allowed one temple because he pissed off Shiva, a long story. I knew it was him because he had a beard and a crown and looked like drawings of him. Except he had an infinite number of arms, legs, feet, eyes, heads, etc. He was a fractal man. Of course I don't have the faculties to see them all at once but I could see who he was with my 3rd eye. I immediately thought of De Vinci's Vitruvian man and had a great epiphany.

We're all like the fractal man, the Vitruvian man, we may appear to be in a constant state of motion because of time but in a sense this is illusion. The other illusion is that we are all different people. We are all Brahama. I realized that was the vision the Hindus were trying to represent when they represented their powerful beings with multiple hands and legs. It's because they represent a multitude of life across a multitude of worlds. Brahma had two attendents with him, as gods are often portrayed in Hindu art.

As soon as I saw Brahama's garden I felt an immense sense of joy, wonder, and euphoria. I was out of the sleeping bag and spent the rest of the night talking to my friends, walking around the neighborhood, and having the discussions and adventures you have when you have a good time on psychedelics. Standing in the front yard laughing our asses off at the neighbors sleepily walking out to their cars to go to work.

Well, that's an off-topic tidbit, didn't mean to go so far (feel free to move it to trip reports if it's a disruption) but I think my point was any bad trip can be salvaged by a trip to another dimension. One thing that was huge was that I got turned onto the PNW mushrooms. Liberty caps, blue ringers, wavy caps, and azurescens. Wavy caps changed everything. I learned I could trust them, that they were my ally. They are very bitter fresh but they don't make me nauseous.

I didn't learn azurescens until about 10 years ago. I'd eaten them and seen them but I didn't know them. They may be the greatest psychedelic ever, they're certainly in my half dozen. Especially fresh. They're great dried but fresh they're even smoother. Smooth and clean with no body load whatsoever. There's some mix of tryptamines in them that hits just right.

I've hardly eaten a cubensis the last 25 years. On the one hand they're great, they give great visuals, but I don't really like them. GENERALLY they're harder to digest, cause more nausea, and can cause more anxiety than the ones in the PNW. This is a big generalization but it's true for me and many people I know. Cyanescens and azurescens have an opiate like sedating quality that quashes a lot of anxiety, although with psychedelics anxiety is always possible.

I'm sure there's people that believe the opposite that love cubes and are terrified by cys and azzies. Especially since they started calling them 'wood lovers' and the cases of wood lover's paralysis have been documented. They still don't know what causes it or why but I'd simply avoid any place it is found. It seems to only curse certain patches so to be safe when finding a new patch only take an amount to get an alert. No feelings of paralysis, go to town. It's kind of crazy out of all those years and all those mushrooms I've never met someone who experienced it.

Well I'm new here, you can tell by how many times I've gone off topic. I've cured many people of their mushroom trauma. People who swore they'd never trip ever again on anything. It involves taking a small recreational dose of azzies or necens and spending the evening laughing your ass off. Make sure they see how small the dose is, preferrably whole small mushrooms. For activities you don't need to do anything, going on a walk or even watching tv works. Don't do a lot, don't try to have a mystical experience. Eat just enough to make the world sparkle with a good friend you know well enough to laugh with and enjoy yourself. Mushrooms don't always have to be spiritual and they don't think it's a crime to laugh with them. They're certainly laughing at you.
 
I'm sure there's people that believe the opposite that love cubes and are terrified by cys and azzies. Especially since they started calling them 'wood lovers' and the cases of wood lover's paralysis have been documented.
I had been gifted freshly picked and dried Azurescens some years back by someone I knew in Oregon. (RIP) I was nervous as I heard of the paralysis that happened to a few people. So I went light and took .5 gr and was surprised I was tripping as hard as 2-3 gr of cubensis. It was different though, more cold, but like Salvia I got the impression it liked me. Very strong and impressive. At least I had a fantastic trip at .5. I did that a few more times. The visuals were beyond fantastic. I saw a blackness that went into eternity.

I am jealous of people that live in the PNW. I really like Azurescens. No paralysis but wow were they strong. I want to try the other wood lover mushrooms. The only other time I had mushrooms that strong was when I picked them myself in the Houston, TX cow fields. I picked one the size of my hand once and 7 minutes l later still eating it I about lost it. Thought I died. Very strong.

I really hope with the new legalizations that I get a chance to pick a strain like we do cannabis now. I loved the few Azurescens trips I had. They lose potency quick. 8 month later the .5 gr was like only 1 gr of cubes. Strange how some mushrooms last a few years and others lose potency within a year.

@Coffeeshroom feel better. Sleep and rest is always good if I feel run down.
 
So I went light and took .5 gr and was surprised I was tripping as hard as 2-3 gr of cubensis.
Yes it's been a while since I've eaten more than 1, 1.5 grams dried because they're so strong. Fresh is another experience, it's amazing. The smooth clean lack of body load is hard to describe. There's certainly a body effect but it's different. It's a pain killer, all your aches and pains vanish and you feel a crazy good energy. Any mushroom is greatly improved fresh although you want to boil the ones that grow in cow shit for obvious reasons. Make tea or kool-aid like my friend said he did in Mississippi.

I have a different ritual for eating them and necens. I'll pick a beautiful perfect mushroom I know don't have any worms or bugs or any other travelers. I'll eat it. Every few minutes I'll eat another. I'll sustain the process through the day or evening. Basically tripping all day maintaining the same level. You'll eventually gain tolerance but when they're growing everywhere it doesn't matter.

The visuals were beyond fantastic. I saw a blackness that went into eternity.
I've been experiencing it occasionally from cys and azzies for a long time, 25 years. Especially if I smoke hashish while peaking. It's fascinating, the black hole at the center of the galaxy or something.

I really hope with the new legalizations that I get a chance to pick a strain like we do cannabis now.
The wood lover's panic has caused the state of Oregon to make a rule that licensed providers can only grow cubensis. In the land of mushrooms, with over a dozen native species, they go with the most commercial type. I know every mushroom has it's own song, it's own medicine. Every one of them is different because of the different tryptamines present.

This is why azurescens lose some potency when you dry them, psilocin is lost at drying and breaks down faster. Psilocybin breaks down much slower. Psilocin is what causes the bluing reaction when it oxidizes. Psilocybe mushrooms that don't bruise or barely bruise blue have very little psilocin. A good example is liberty caps. They keep almost all their potency dried and stay potent for years. Blue ringers, Stuntziis, are all psilocin. They're almost worthless when dried.

Both of those are very unique interesting trips. Liberty caps tend to be darker, almost Satanic and can get serious. Ate a bunch with my friend on his birthday and this hippy girl entertained us playing Stones albums Beggar's Banquet and Let it Bleed. We became instant stones fans we couldn't believe how good they sounded. It was intense.

Blue ringers are water mushrooms somehow. I find them near water, in the rain, they make a good tea, my eyes tear up like crazy when I'm laughing like crazy. Body load but it's nice as long as you stay hydrated and flush it through. Each mushroom has it's unique deal and a lot of it is personal for all of us. It's too bad the majority of people have only tripped on cubensis. They're fantastic, it seems like they have a little bit of everything in them, but there's a much bigger world to explore.

Ovoids are my next quarry, can't wait to find them.
 
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