I hate your god and I am too.

[hiphophippy]

Through out my life I was never the most accepted child. I was chubby, and then I was Asian, and then I was the chubby Asian. I was suicidal by the age of 10. I'd often take knifes and rub them on my arms, grind the tips into my sternum until I bled. Then, one day I my friend invited me to church. Later I was a regular at church. I became your average double thinking anti-logic christian. After I was indoctrinated into their community, as they do, they begun to tell me I was a horrible person because I had gone against "god" i saw many a girls self-confidence crushed. Many people lose faith in themselves and I too fell back into my old patterns. And eventually over time my interest in science liberated me from that cycle, I found the logical fallacies in my thinking and fell out to being a deist or following Spinoza's view of the universe more or less and over time through social and personal altercations I slowly began to restore my self-worth. I realized that I might not be the most attractive person or rather, there isn't a large market for masculine looking Asian men these days. And so I restored my self-worth far surpassing any false self-worth I had attributed to religious practices in the past. Eventually I realized that I was and am god. I AM GOD. And if you've ever felt a boost in confidence or strength ect. that you've attributed to god. You are god as well.
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part two (second point)
This obviously doesn't apply to any type of supernatural powers. E.G. I cannot shoot lightning out of my ears. But rather to the constructs of the mind that lead one to believe in a higher power. Beyond the most common logical fallacies. The mind structure that people get into where they are so full of self-doubt that they cannot uplift themselves and tell themselves "You can!" That is, that to many people rely on god(s) as essentially invisible persons. These imaginary friend's hold many functions; you have them hold you accountable for your actions: I can't steal that because god would frown on me for it. This is one of the situations where you remove responsibility from your person and place it on the imaginary friend (to a point). You do steal it, the response is not "Man, I'm responsible for this action I should hold myself accountable" it is "I fell short of god's expectations of me he'll hold me accountable for that."
The other situation being self empowerment "God give me the bravery to snowboard down this hill." Here you'll convince yourself or not that your imaginary friend is supporting you.
Third situation is where you may need help or something, God wills save me, which is self-assurance. There are plenty of other scenarios which boil down to other forms of reassurance or self empowerment.
Why this bothers me; I'm for people's empowerment. It hurts me to see people with image problems. It hurts me to see people. Who can't empower themselves to accomplish things. People who have been told to many times that they "will never" when they needed to be told that they can. I seek to empower everyone and to let people know that they have the power in and over their lives. So I leave off saying

What ever you do. YOU have the power. YOU are as beautiful as you make yourself out to be. YOU will be as "good" as YOU hold yourself to be. and YOU, are god.


Music to help you on your path to self-realization :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiqmEibSY0I

 

[panic in paradise]

^beautiful^
i am also God - i am Christ/Sophia & Brahman - i am all the Glory of every God, as long as i am the Germ on my shoe too.

"clean out the trapping and debris of compromise, of what you've been told is reasonable for a person in your circumstances."
Gen P Orrige

 

[hiphophippy]

^beautiful^
i am also God - i am Christ/Sophia & Brahman - i am all the Glory of every God, as long as i am the Germ on my shoe too.

"clean out the trapping and debris of compromise, of what you've been told is reasonable for a person in your circumstances."
Gen P Orrige

What do you mean friend? I don't understand the germ on your shoe part.

 

[CoffeeDrinker]

^Then you don't understand shit.

 

[hiphophippy]

^Then you don't understand shit.

Is that right?

 

[CoffeeDrinker]

Generation Porridge I am! Or at least wish I was.
Come on you asian fatty(I am an asian fatty too ftw), get w/ the zenness.

Anyway it's a good song and therefore a good thread even if you dont understand shit.

 

[hiphophippy]

Generation Porridge I am! Or at least wish I was.
Come on you asian fatty(I am an asian fatty too ftw), get w/ the zenness.

Anyway it's a good song and therefore a good thread even if you dont understand shit.

lol, zen XD I don't understand what his post has to do with mine. I'm not implying I'm a reincarnation of Krishna or anything. I am god. as you may be god. But I'm not part of spinoza's view anymore. I am not the germs on my feet.

 

[CoffeeDrinker]

I think the point was (I use the term "I think" loosely) that behind everything beautiful there is something "ugly" or "painful". For every great society where everyone is well fed there is a little boy in a closet getting molested and malnourished somewhere, and it must be that way, lest you walk away from it all and do what you can for yourself and those around you. Be a hermit in the woods, or desert, or be forever a hypocrite with a million masks and infinite justification for your sins. I'm dealing with the scorpions as they come, just so I can sleep, but that's me.
Personally. I'm over the whole god thing. lol sorry to sound like that. It's a nice metaphor, but creation is unfolding whether or not he has anything to do with it. But, IMO, even if he exists and created everything, it doesn't matter in the slightest about our lives and why we should do the things we do. God is like spirituality 101 IMO, or maybe a non-credit hour 098 or 099 type concept (sorry for the bad college puns), whether or not he exists, or whatever form he chooses to take, (Totally a he, btw, suck on that feminists) doesn't make the slightest bit of difference in our lives, and it shouldn't make the slightest bit of difference in the choices we make. But who am I to hijack the thread with my stupid opinions.

 

[Help?!?!]

Sure? God could be you and maybe...even a vice versa?!? I suppose ideas like this can be fun as long as they don't involve the normal religious egotism(oh come must I, roar with my deity like power and show you what omnipotence really is?). I do so enjoy posts that tell people to do and live for themselves though as thats all life is, yours, you think you would just do what you want eh? Naw just spend your time on the ol'dirt ball doin'/fillin' someone else's agenda. Sounds pretty intelligent and worthwhile to me.

 

[panic in paradise]

the Quote from Genesis P Orridge, i felt related to what you were saying by not accepting others criticisms or judgment, expectancies for us each as individuals, to not be what determines our capabilities, or, "value" by others simple opinion, or their own personal standards.
message from thee temple
^helped to change my life...
shrugs

i feel we are the Masters Of Our Universe haha, we are the Higher Power, i am, you are, it is in us all. it is in everything, all the time everywhere...from a gray whale to a gnat, from a glacier to a piece of drifting pollen...large and small we are not much different in our animated form, our perception though is where lines begin to be drawn, and realities are created with every passing moment, which can change our course of time for years, or the rest of our life, or others, and anything really to extents.

some believe that whales were previously much much smaller, some dog sized, and lived on the land...a few million years ago - things change and we would never know any better of what the reality was before we came to see what we saw.

 

[hiphophippy]

I think the point was (I use the term "I think" loosely) that behind everything beautiful there is something "ugly" or "painful". For every great society where everyone is well fed there is a little boy in a closet getting molested and malnourished somewhere, and it must be that way, lest you walk away from it all and do what you can for yourself and those around you. Be a hermit in the woods, or desert, or be forever a hypocrite with a million masks and infinite justification for your sins. I'm dealing with the scorpions as they come, just so I can sleep, but that's me.
Personally. I'm over the whole god thing. lol sorry to sound like that. It's a nice metaphor, but creation is unfolding whether or not he has anything to do with it. But, IMO, even if he exists and created everything, it doesn't matter in the slightest about our lives and why we should do the things we do. God is like spirituality 101 IMO, or maybe a non-credit hour 098 or 099 type concept (sorry for the bad college puns), whether or not he exists, or whatever form he chooses to take, (Totally a he, btw, suck on that feminists) doesn't make the slightest bit of difference in our lives, and it shouldn't make the slightest bit of difference in the choices we make. But who am I to hijack the thread with my stupid opinions.

thats kind of my point. The stament is meant to be inflammatory to hopefully cause a bit of critical thought. The id and ego are why god exists. in a way, Great power comes with great responsibility. that is if you accept that the power of "god" is within you must also begin to hold yourself personally responsible... to yourself, no difering it to karma, or religious dictation. You did not choose to use your power of your will to make the right decision.

 

[A Blind Guy]

If my ability to have power over myself means I am God, then I am God.
I've always liked how I can change my personality actively, and usually at a faster pace than others.

 

[allusional]

The real big epiphanies likely come about through exhaustion and being spent, than any other reason. Too tired or coherent to keep thinking along the well worn path that one has trod over and over.

There is a heavy set, middle aged, African American prosecutor that shows up once in a while on the TV show Bones. I think she arrives at things by having expended as much energy as she can on things that she may never know the true significance of, so she pushes for yeses or nos. JUST Solveit, dammit. That's kind of where Iam at the moment.

I think I do expect that every investment I make towards a value goal like truth, goodness, beauty, will likely have blowback and unforeseen consequences but so does straight forward stabs at paying my rent. So potentially would my not having locked my door at night.

I'm sure my opiated non-haiku makes little sense. I saw a tangent and I lubricated, unreciprocated, in a dark and dismal place.

Some Pantheism is of a model consistent with "I am God and all who would join with are also God".That's what I think the OP's position was by what I read.
I think we all form or gravitate towards belief systems that compliment our identity or sense of purpose. Sometimes we make new ones up if nothing fits.Ultimately all truths will be known to spite any particular human promoting them or those truths were inconsequential.

Wow, to cannibiassed to be posting at the moment, will likely fix later.

 

[hiphophippy]

If my ability to have power over myself means I am God, then I am God.
I've always liked how I can change my personality actively, and usually at a faster pace than others.

People who get it +1 :D I think.

 

[hiphophippy]

the Quote from Genesis P Orridge, i felt related to what you were saying by not accepting others criticisms or judgment, expectancies for us each as individuals, to not be what determines our capabilities, or, "value" by others simple opinion, or their own personal standards.
message from thee temple
^helped to change my life...
shrugs

i feel we are the Masters Of Our Universe haha, we are the Higher Power, i am, you are, it is in us all. it is in everything, all the time everywhere...from a gray whale to a gnat, from a glacier to a piece of drifting pollen...large and small we are not much different in our animated form, our perception though is where lines begin to be drawn, and realities are created with every passing moment, which can change our course of time for years, or the rest of our life, or others, and anything really to extents.

some believe that whales were previously much much smaller, some dog sized, and lived on the land...a few million years ago - things change and we would never know any better of what the reality was before we came to see what we saw.

You're over projecting what I mean. It seems you come to a similar conclusion from a completely different premises. i'm saying you don't need "god" it's an imaginary mental crutch for people.

 

[panic in paradise]

Maybe I dont get it.
;-)
- I will conclude any contribution to this thread by staying that, the promised land, is a mind numbing soul draining opiate for the masses. And as dramatic sounding as that is, it only becomes easy to blow off...but so critical it is, to ours and future generations.

 

[Legerity]

I sometimes feel like I am creating everything around me. Divine or arrogant? Other times it seems like things are happening to me that I have no ability to control. Another experience is that things are happening but that some outside guidance is also at work.

One perspective seems more comforting than the others. Which one is true i don't really know. Maybe one, maybe none, maybe all of them.

 

[yagecero]

I sometimes feel like I am creating everything around me. Divine or arrogant? Other times it seems like things are happening to me that I have no ability to control. Another experience is that things are happening but that some outside guidance is also at work.

One perspective seems more comforting than the others. Which one is true i don't really know. Maybe one, maybe none, maybe all of them.

Well said. Can we add (or) existential to "divine or arrogant?"?

I'd like to know which perspective you find more comforting.

Also, when you feel like you're creating everything around [you], do you feel that some outside guidance is also at work? Or do you feel that these two processes occur independent of each other in different moments?

 

[Legerity]

Well said. Can we add (or) existential to "divine or arrogant?"?

I'd like to know which perspective you find more comforting.

Also, when you feel like you're creating everything around [you], do you feel that some outside guidance is also at work? Or do you feel that these two processes occur independent of each other in different moments?

I suppose it feels most comforting to feel that I am creating everything I experiences. If this has no limits, then we truly can live any life we want simply by shifting our beliefs.

BUT...I wonder sometimes where this idea would come from. It seems many books and "teachers" put forth this idea. And perhaps it does bring more peace to feel this way. But I can't help but be skeptical and think that this would be a great state of mind to actually disempower an individual by create a false sense of control. If in fact it were NOT true, then this would be a wonderful idea to spread to those who prefer that individuals remain passive rather than actively engage in attempts to create change.

I tend to see things in black and white, which isn't necessary helpful. If my life unfolds according to my own mind, then I should be in control of it. There should not be others that are also in control of pushing me in this direction or that. I either am, or I'm not. Having experienced creating certain beliefs in my mind and having them apparently begin to take shape in my life; it seems that this is a possibility. What seems more confusing is whether or not this is a "reality" being created or simply an experience that I am living but which has no real effect on anything else around me.

The "paranoid" side of me tells myself that if there is in fact only an objective reality, then what better way to distract people from it than by convincing them that their own mind can create the world they want simply by believing it to be so. Or the concept that fear is only real if we believe in it; "darkness has no power when there is light", etc. etc. This could be the way things work, but it could also be a huge distraction from people seeing certain things the way they really are.

I just don't know much at this point and so I try to just not concern myself TOO much But I find it fascinating indeed.

 

[hiphophippy]

Feel free to continue the discussion that was created but I meant internal confidence. like in a situation where you're unsure if you can dos something and you're your friend tell you you can and then you do. Your friends didn't magically improve you. The power was there the whole time.