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I am Completely Alienated, Downtrodden and Have No-one -- I Think the End is Near

DeadLife

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Hello everyone

I thought I might be able to get some advice on the current predicament I am in. So thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this long thread and post about the following.

First off, I'm 28 years old. Over the last 3 years my life has been one of misery: depression, anger, ostracisim, and just being downtrodden and maligned by society as a whole have been the norm for me over this time period.

I fucked up early in life, and in 2002 I was banished to prison for the next 6 years for a violent crime. I was paroled in August 2008. Since then, my life has just been a mess. What's caused this mess? Well, it's basically been caused by society. I'm subject to slander, ridicule and public humiliation (in the form of put-downs) by (mostly) complete strangers. And it's only getting worse as time progresses.

People don't know me. But they are prejudiced and thus judge me negatively. People think I'm either "somewhat autistic" or that I suffer from "mild mental retardation." This is not a joke. People genuinely believe these two things are facts about me. I suppose one would ask this: "Why would they think this about someone they don't know?" Well, let's go.

First, I have a very awkward "presence" about me. The one main thing is this: I have a rather strange gait; my legs and arms move, but my torso remains strangely rigid. Most people have a normal "sway" about their torso when they walk -- I don't. It's as if my torso is a piece of inflexible concrete. It looks odd, and that alone is often enough for people to think there is something wrong with me. But there's more, and there's worse.

Second, I'm very socially awkward. I have many odd mannerisms that make me appear "strange." Odd, unnecessary arm and leg movements when I feel nervous or self-conscious are one of these strange mannerisms. Also, when I talk I become excessively nervous, thereby stumbling over my own words and speaking even more incoherently than I already do. (This is related to the following third point.)

Third, my voice itself sounds like that of a dull-wit, or even worse, that of a disabled person. My parents are Russian, and they emigrated to the States 3 years before I was born. However, I never picked up a true American accent. I actually don't have a foreign accent; my voice does not sound Russian nor American. It sounds as though I've suffered brain damage (I've heard myself on video); that is, many of my words I use are poorly and incorrectly articulated and enunciated. I tend to over-stress certain syllables when it's not necessary, and under-stress parts of words where stress is necessary. Also, the flow and pace of my speech is quite slow, compared to the average man. When I was in college (and even once at work) I have heard people say "I feel sorry for him. He talks like a retard," and once when I stood up for myself to a girl, the girl's friend said this to her (while laughing), "Don't listen to him! Hear how he talks for fuck's sake. He's slow!" Then they both walked off and started laughing and making crude, offensive jokes at my expense. Another time, at work, a co-worker told another co-worker "Get retard autistic-kid to do it." These are just three examples; there are many more, but I think you guys get the idea. In general, when I talk, and people hear me talk, many immediately turn around and stare at me. Yeah, that kind of shows you how atrocious my voice sounds.

Fourth, I'm not good-looking. I'm tall and rather well-built (6' 3" and 220lbs), but I'm not considered attractive physically. My facial features are weak and unattractive. I look very "soft" too (i.e. I look like a push-over). I have had one girlfriend in my life to date, and that was before I went to prison. I was 18 years old and it lasted all of 3 months 8)

So, I think it's these four things combined that make people believe I genuinely suffer from mild mental retardation. It's the slander that really bothers me, though. It's because I'm slandered by so many people, that it creates bias in other people who initially viewed me without any negativity. They hear so much negativity about me that they (I assume) come to believe that, yeah, there is something wrong with [me], why else would literally dozens of others talk about [me] so badly?.

I live in a somewhat large city, but there are certain places I cannot go near in my suburb because many have heard the slander about me and have agreed with it and/or jumped on the bandwagon by doing it (the slander) themselves. A half-an-hour walk in a near-by mall will evoke countless contemptuous looks, giggles, shakes of the head, and about a dozen quiet, derogatory comments towards their friends or partners such as, "Oh look, it's slow kid again," or "What's retard doing in a book store?!" That's right. They often don't refer to my intelligence (or their belief of my lack thereof) in verb-form. They make the normally verb-used put-downs as nouns. They also usually refer to me as a "kid" or "boy," despite my age and the fact that I do look my age.

Even when I'm out driving, people recognize me in my car and have yelled out abuse at times. If not, I'll see the driver and his passenger look at me, and then they'll start laughing or shaking their heads at me. This also happens everytime I have to drive, and it happens a few times on a routine trip to or from work, for instance.

The people who do this to me often aren't 14-year-olds. Rather, they are usually in their 20s and 30s. And 80% of the time females are the perpertrators.

People often say, "Who cares what others think about you?" I do. The reason I do is that I want to make friends, get a girlfriend, have a somewhat active social life. But people want nothing to do with me because they genuinely believe I'm intellectually impaired and physically repulsive. I've joined a tennis club and book club in the past and have faced the same sort of antagonism and contempt from its members. Nobody talked to me in these clubs. I tried to initiate conversation and all I got back were sardonic replies all the while they look at me with a lop-sided grin (i.e. a contemptuous grin).

This treatment to which I'm subjected day in, day out, has left me feeling depressed and very angry at society in general. I have no family near-by other than my dad. I'm on a variety of medications for depression and anxiety. However, I don't think my feelings will change until I start getting treated with some common courtesey. Even if people didn't like me, but they kept their mouths shut and didn't slander me or put me down, I would feel far better than I do right now. I may still be alone, but I wouldn't be so tortured. This abuse I'm facing gains momentum every day. Every day more people come to know about me, and view and treat me with utter contempt.

I have not one friend, obviously no girlfriend, and basically no life since I was released from prison. Ironically, I have a mobile phone. It has three contacts listed: my dad, work and my home phone. My life at the moment consists of sleeping, working, reading, weight-lifting, browsing the Net and masturbating to porn. It isn't really much of a life. Sometimes I feel like lashing out violently at my persecutors. I do fantasize about that. But that would, of course, bring about another prison sentence.

I don't know what to do anymore. I've tried being assertive to people with whom I work, but they just laugh at me. And what can I do about complete strangers slandering me (quietly) in public? If I assertively approached every stranger who has mistreated me I would literally be approaching about 50 people a day.

I don't know what to do anymore. I'm nearing the end of the rope :( I don't want much out of life. I don't want to be famous and a multi-millionaire. I want a normal life of acceptance from some people. I just want some friends (of both sexes), a somewhat active social life, and to find a girlfriend, get married in the future and start a family. (I know what I want sounds so very clichéd, yet it is true.) However, society's perception of me is preventing any of this transpiring.

Can someone on here help me? I'm feeling very depressed just from writing this, and have teared up a few times already. My future (and present) just appears so abysmally bleak and wretched at the moment. Abject loneliness and mistreatment from others is severely affecting my everyday life.

Thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy thread, guys. I hope someone can provide some sort of advice and/or opinions.

-- James
 
First of all, even if people believe that you are disabled what kind of deranged motherfucker makes fun of someone for being disabled? There are good people in the world and people who will be friends with you. I have a relative who looks strange physically but is intelligent and articulate, as you seem to be. He is also one of the most optimistic people I have ever met. You need to realize that looking a little different and talking a little different will probably do a lot to weed out the useless pieces of shit from the good people. So, how can you meet people and connect with people who will like you for who you are?

Express yourself, artistically if possible. Artists are kind of "allowed" to be strange and eccentric. Start with writing. You are good at it and you have a lot to say. Keep a journal and try to write in it every day. If you find something to write about that would be interesting to someone else, share it! Post it online, or submit it to your local paper. Write letters to the editor. If you express yourself in writing and are published then who can call you stupid? Are THEY published anywhere? There are a lot of local arts and entertainment papers floating around these days that often accept submissions from readers. Short stories, poems, profiles, human interest pieces, political commentary (tis the season), and fucking anything else. Try your hand at some other means of self expression as well. No need to limit yourself. Paint a picture. Sculpt something from found objects or paper mache or clay. Learn to play an instrument. Download a music synth program or animation program or photoshop or something to play around with.

You got too much to share to let other people shut you down like this. Put everything you are feeling into something productive. If you are doing something interesting then people will be interested in you. If they get to know you they will probably like you and want to be your friend. Focus on doing something you like so that you can like yourself and get some confidence back. Other people will follow. You have made it this far, man. You have already been through far worse than this, and things will get better. Good luck.
 
James I'm so sorry to hear your so down I wish I could say anything to make it better and in my life when I've been down the only thing that helped me was God he knows what's going on please at least try talking to him I wish I could tell you more I hope you don't do anything hurtful to yourself I will be praying for you.
 
Hey buddy - we share a name. Feel better. You are loved by people you touch in a positive manner.

People think you're somewhat autistic? People think you're mentally retarded? Maybe you are...and you're in denial. It doesn't have to be the end of the world though - people cope with far worse.

You obviously are currently looking at things in a very bad light, and that's what you need to change. Then people will see you in a different way. Get by with a lil help from your friends, reacquaint yourself with people, and show them you're having a hard time of it, but miss their company and want to know them again.

Don't worry - especially about what other people say about you, they're idiots who are obviously deeply unhappy with themselves if they're feeling the need to drop a load on your shoulders.

I will continue later. Smile, fucker!
 
You outlined a number of things which you feel is causing a negative perception of you.

Any reason why you don't modify these things?

Edit: to further expand and hopefully shed some light for you.

In a society, there is a range of behaviors deemed normal. Everyone kinda goes along with this, not necessarily because that behavior is especially useful, but to allow everyone a degree of certainty as to how their interactions with other human being will be conducted.

Doing things like walking and talking like other people do, gains you some social capital. People will see you and think, well he's behaving like everyone else so I expect that if I initiate an interaction, he will respond in a polite fashion (since thats the normal thing to do).

On the other hand, when a person in the street sees a 6'3 guy acting strangely this put them into a state of alert (ok, whats up with this guy, am I in any danger). After brief observation, they apparently decide you are handicapped and pose no threat and they feel relief. However since you frightened them to begin with and people don't like to be frightened; plus they have decided you are no threat to them, they will vent their anger at having been frightened by abusing you.

This is not societies fault. If you want people to feel comfortable with you, you need adapt your behavior to show you know the rules and are playing by them. Give people the comfort they need and they will respond positively.

There are professionals who can assist with this, occupational therapists, speech therapists and so on; if you need the added guidance. You obviously are a smart guy and these are skills that can be learned.

Best wishes :)
 
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I think pretty much everyone can agree that 2011 sucked hardcore. Lets all try to make the most of 2012 before the supposed apocalypse. I think if the whole human race really gives it their all we can have a good year, and if we survive we may just want to continue living. Good luck everyone, happy solstice! Here's to one more year!
 
First of all, even if people believe that you are disabled what kind of deranged motherfucker makes fun of someone for being disabled? There are good people in the world and people who will be friends with you. I have a relative who looks strange physically but is intelligent and articulate, as you seem to be. He is also one of the most optimistic people I have ever met. You need to realize that looking a little different and talking a little different will probably do a lot to weed out the useless pieces of shit from the good people. So, how can you meet people and connect with people who will like you for who you are?

Express yourself, artistically if possible. Artists are kind of "allowed" to be strange and eccentric. Start with writing. You are good at it and you have a lot to say. Keep a journal and try to write in it every day. If you find something to write about that would be interesting to someone else, share it! Post it online, or submit it to your local paper. Write letters to the editor. If you express yourself in writing and are published then who can call you stupid? Are THEY published anywhere? There are a lot of local arts and entertainment papers floating around these days that often accept submissions from readers. Short stories, poems, profiles, human interest pieces, political commentary (tis the season), and fucking anything else. Try your hand at some other means of self expression as well. No need to limit yourself. Paint a picture. Sculpt something from found objects or paper mache or clay. Learn to play an instrument. Download a music synth program or animation program or photoshop or something to play around with.

You got too much to share to let other people shut you down like this. Put everything you are feeling into something productive. If you are doing something interesting then people will be interested in you. If they get to know you they will probably like you and want to be your friend. Focus on doing something you like so that you can like yourself and get some confidence back. Other people will follow. You have made it this far, man. You have already been through far worse than this, and things will get better. Good luck.
Thanks for the post. You made some good points on which I will follow up. You're right: what sort of a piece shit mocks someone who they believe to be sincerely handicapped? I've heard the term "retard" been slung about casually but never at someone who is sincerely believed to be mentally impaired. It's fucked up.

Art is one thing I actually haven't given a go... yet. There are forms of art, however, that interest me. So I'll look into that. Thanks for your reply :)
 
You outlined a number of things which you feel is causing a negative perception of you.

Any reason why you don't modify these things?

Edit: to further expand and hopefully shed some light for you.

In a society, there is a range of behaviors deemed normal. Everyone kinda goes along with this, not necessarily because that behavior is especially useful, but to allow everyone a degree of certainty as to how their interactions with other human being will be conducted.

Doing things like walking and talking like other people do, gains you some social capital. People will see you and think, well he's behaving like everyone else so I expect that if I initiate an interaction, he will respond in a polite fashion (since thats the normal thing to do).

On the other hand, when a person in the street sees a 6'3 guy acting strangely this put them into a state of alert (ok, whats up with this guy, am I in any danger). After brief observation, they apparently decide you are handicapped and pose no threat and they feel relief. However since you frightened them to begin with and people don't like to be frightened; plus they have decided you are no threat to them, they will vent their anger at having been frightened by abusing you.

This is not societies fault. If you want people to feel comfortable with you, you need adapt your behavior to show you know the rules and are playing by them. Give people the comfort they need and they will respond positively.

There are professionals who can assist with this, occupational therapists, speech therapists and so on; if you need the added guidance. You obviously are a smart guy and these are skills that can be learned.

Best wishes :)
Hello, and thanks for your reply! You made some interesting points and have an interesting theory. However, despite my height and weight, I don't think I appear intimidating in the least, even with my odd behaviour. I have very "soft" facial features... effiminate, you could say (and my ex-girlfriend did actually say this). This is additional support to this belief of mine that I'm soft-looking: during my years in prison, most of the other inmates could not believe I could commit a crime, much less a violent crime. I just didn't "look" like a criminal, they said.

Yes, a speech therapist may do me some good. I will have to go and pay one a visit to see if I can be helped. Thanks for your post :-)
 
People think you're somewhat autistic? People think you're mentally retarded? Maybe you are...and you're in denial. It doesn't have to be the end of the world though - people cope with far worse.

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Incredibly rude of you to make such a brash comment and to make the overall tone of your post be one of condescension. I have google both Autism and mild mental retardation. I don't fit many of the specific criteria for Autism, even the disorders further down the spectrum.

Mild mental retardation is, if memory serves me correctly, when someone has an IQ between 55 and 70. I have never had an IQ test so I don't know my IQ. However, I have read of the capabilities of people with mild mental retardation, and I can do all that and much more. Moreover, I have an undergraduate degree in mathematics.
 
James I'm so sorry to hear your so down I wish I could say anything to make it better and in my life when I've been down the only thing that helped me was God he knows what's going on please at least try talking to him I wish I could tell you more I hope you don't do anything hurtful to yourself I will be praying for you.
I'm an aetheist. Nevertheless, thanks for the well wishes :)
 
I really want to stress that you should try to write. I would be amazed if you didn't have a pretty specific and articulate point of view on a lot of things. You write well, and I think you should explore that more. What else are you interested in?
 
It makes me so angry that people can be so cruel to others especially adults who should know better.
I haven't really got any advice to offer you but I can say that just by reading yr post it shows you are certainly not short of intelligence and you come across as a perfectly decent human being.
I just wish I could have the knowledge on what to say to try and make things better for you.
We will always listen to you on here and folk better than myself can probably offer you good advice on how handle life.
I wish you a happy Xmas and a better new year.
 
I think you took RoughJack's post a little too harshly.. The internet can make it hard to communicate inflection, but I don't think he meant any disrespect. He doesn't know you, and it was a valid question.

Anyway, sounds like people in your town are just assholes. Nobody around here would be fucked up to people the way you describe. If they actually thought you were mentally "retarded" or had autism or something, they wouldn't treat you any differently because of it. And they certainly wouldn't say anything to your face about it.

I don't know where you live, but I can assure you that if you really are treated the way you say you are, most places on earth are not like this.
 
I really want to stress that you should try to write. I would be amazed if you didn't have a pretty specific and articulate point of view on a lot of things. You write well, and I think you should explore that more. What else are you interested in?
I really want to stress that you should try to write. I would be amazed if you didn't have a pretty specific and articulate point of view on a lot of things. You write well, and I think you should explore that more. What else are you interested in?
Thanks artic. I have a few other interests, most of which are solo activities. I read a lot about history, especially the era of Nazi Germany and other nations' involvment in it during World War 2. I also have interest an interest in languages; I've been learning Spanish and French. I can't speak the languages that well, but that's because I have been primarily interested in learning to read and write them. This particular interest does take up a fair bit of free time. Another thing I enjoy doing is "people watching." No, I'm not a pervert. By people watching I mean watching others' interactions with one another. I want and like to understand body language. It's beneficial to me and I find it fascinating how people act around others. Their tone of voice, vocabulary, mannerisms and so forth seem so different to mine that I can't help but marvel in awe.

Anyway, since I was in grade school even my parents thought something was wrong with me. I didn't play with my peers or really socialize at all. I spent most of my free time hiding in my room, reading. They thought I might have been suffering from Autism Spectrum related disorder. I actually saw a child pyschologist, and she saw nothing wrong with me other than being unusually shy and withdrawn. But that, to her, didn't suggest the presence of a disorder related to that of Autism. She encouraged my parents to gently push me into socializing with my peers.

There is a strange thing I cannot work out: It's only since my release from prison in 2008 that I've been subject to such mistreatment. Sure, in my teens I was bullied somewhat, but strangers in the street left me alone. Why is it that only now I'm subject to such behaviour? It's weird.
 
^ Was it a crime that got a lot of media interest of something like that, so that a lot of people know you're the perpetrator? It just seems odd to me that you say so many strangers treat you in this way too, as generally I think people tend to ignore other people, and probably avoid even more so those they feel a bit nervous around, if they see that person as 'different'. And all these people who recognise you - how do they all know you? I don't know, I guess I'm just a bit confused about that side of your post, because you say you live in a largish city, and ime, even when I've lived in the same place for years, more often than not when I leave the house I don't recognise anyone I see on the street.

So I guess I'm wondering if this was a particularly publicised crime, or what you think makes you stand out so much? I know you've described your physical traits/mannerisms and voice, to me though it just doesn't strike me that these would be enough to cause such widespread ridicule of you. Maybe there are just a whole lot of fuckheads around you, I dunno.

Regardless though, your situation sounds terrible and I really hope it improves for you. As morpher suggested, can you work on some of the mannerisms that you think make you look odd? The ones related to anxiety are likely to be very responsive to treatment - in that once you have better control of your anxiety you will find it easier to speak clearly and fluently, and cut down the nervous mannerisms.
 
I feel sorry for you that you are so lost but have a hard time believing your mess has basically caused by society.
Besides seeing a speech therapist, I would suggest a mental health therapist.
 
Hey man, please don't take this the wrong way (i.e. as abuse or intended to be offensive), but I think that there's a factor here you're not considering. In your post you mentioned that a lot of the negative reactions/slander you're receiving are from people in your town. And you also said, something that others seem to have looked over, that you were put in prison for 6 years for committing a violent crime. Presumably, that violent crime was in or around your town. I don't know what you did, if you think you were innocent, or what. But I'm willing to bet that the people who dislike you and slander you are using your different social mannerisms as a way to voice their disdain for you based on the crime you were convicted of. For example, if there was a dude like yourself from my town who I believed committed a fairly awful crime and I saw him around after he was released from prison, in the same area, you better believe that I wouldn't treat him nicely.

So just consider that. Maybe a move is in your best interests. Somewhere where you don't associate with people who are aware of your crimes. I don't think people hate you because you're different. I think they hate you because of what they believe you did.
 
For example, if there was a dude like yourself from my town who I believed committed a fairly awful crime and I saw him around after he was released from prison, in the same area, you better believe that I wouldn't treat him nicely.

Wow, you would go out of your way to mistreat someone who has already paid for their crime?

Anyways, to the OP,

DeadLife, do you play music? Maybe start leaning to play an instrument well. Doesn't matter what you look or sound like, if you can play some beautiful music, you'll get a girlfriend.

I'm quite certain, however, that you are not telling to whole story. I have never witnessed complete strangers ridiculing someone because they walk or talk strangely to the extent you talk about. In fact, I think most people would get fired up if they witnessed something like that....But if this is somehow the case, you have to realize that the type of people that make rude comments like this, do not matter, their value is very little.... work on pride.

My advice to you: Strive for more out life than just having a "normal" life with a girlfriend. You need some sort of life-defining overarching goal that you can sink all your energy into or else you'll constantly feel out of place for not "fitting in."
 
The actions taken during and after WWII have a tremendous impact on global politics today. If you can compare the two time periods, or the impact of events on America compared to Europe it might be interesting to read about. I'm sure this is a lot of good source material written in German and French that probably gives you a better perspective on WWII from a European perspective. If you could write about it while making a connection to current events it would have a good chance of getting published in local media, I would think. If it is at all possible enroll in classes at your local University or Community College. You may still be eligible for FAFSA student aid. If you have a few history classes or sociology or psychology classes it might be good exposure to new people and new ideas that you would find interesting. If you start talking about stuff that interests you I'm sure you will meet people and make friends.
 
I think you took RoughJack's post a little too harshly.. The internet can make it hard to communicate inflection, but I don't think he meant any disrespect. He doesn't know you, and it was a valid question.

Thank you.

It had to be said - from your posts you seem very intelligent, but there's obviously something about you that gets people going for you in a bad way, so the suggestion of Aspergers was not a bad one. I think the fact you got so insulted speaks for itself - you're not sure.

Maybe you're emotionally retarded, not mentally...as I said you seem smart, so no question about mentally challenged.

I'm emotionally retarded - whatever is wrong with you, is something you can deal with, if you find out what it is, and change it. Mind power wins.

I never meant to be condescending - in fact I was trying to show you some positives, you took it totally wrong.

"I am only responsible for what I say and do, not for what you understand."
 
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