How to stop Delatestryl safely

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THE_REAL_OBLIVION

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Alright, I had to be put on delatestryl because methadone put my T levels down the gutter. Then the damn crap gave me painful bumps on my chest near the nipples like if I was having puberty again and gave me a slight case of gyno (doesn't show when I wear a shirt) after much investigation, ultrasounds, CT scans, all that happened was that I was given anastrazole as anti-estrogen. Used it for a year and it worked at killing all painful bumps but didn't get rid of the gyno. Saw a surgeon and she wouldn't do the job and scared me with 25% chances of developing necrosis after surgery. So, I told my doctor if there could be another medication that is an anti-estrogen, was scripted tamoxifen 10mg once a day. Well I don't like its side effects. And since I switched to bupe since 2 years now and my T levels are fine, I want to stop the whole thing. Delatestryl is dangerous and I have chest tightness issues and breathing issues and I have to use my Symbicort inhaler again when I didn't need to, even if I stopped smoking cigarettes 10 months ago (smoked for 9 years). I got high blood pressure and feelings of numbness in my left foot. The chest tightness is the most annoying since apparently my breathing is just fine after taking a breathing test with multitudes of devices (spirograph?). Anyway, the risks of heart attack and or pulmonary emboli from delatestryl scare me enough.

I am (and probably was from now on) using 30cc of delatestryl, reduced my dose myself, the script calls for 50 but when I reduced to 30 the gyno reduced also, so I kept it that way. I want to stop it, bupe's not reducing my T down the gutter and I fear for my life actually. I use no other drugs other than benzos (valium, restoril prn). I also get these feelings in my back and left shoulder that are really bizarre. But my pulse isn't high and I don't get asystoles (messed up heart beats).

So can I just stop taking Delatestryl right away, today would be the day of the week where I SC the dose, I really don't want to. I'll take any good advice. Thanks.
 
THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Alright, I had to be put on delatestryl because methadone put my T levels down the gutter. Then the damn crap gave me painful bumps on my chest near the nipples like if I was having puberty again and gave me a slight case of gyno (doesn't show when I wear a shirt) after much investigation, ultrasounds, CT scans, all that happened was that I was given anastrazole as anti-estrogen. Used it for a year and it worked at killing all painful bumps but didn't get rid of the gyno. Saw a surgeon and she wouldn't do the job and scared me with 25% chances of developing necrosis after surgery. So, I told my doctor if there could be another medication that is an anti-estrogen, was scripted tamoxifen 10mg once a day. Well I don't like its side effects. And since I switched to bupe since 2 years now and my T levels are fine, I want to stop the whole thing. Delatestryl is dangerous and I have chest tightness issues and breathing issues and I have to use my Symbicort inhaler again when I didn't need to, even if I stopped smoking cigarettes 10 months ago (smoked for 9 years). I got high blood pressure and feelings of numbness in my left foot. The chest tightness is the most annoying since apparently my breathing is just fine after taking a breathing test with multitudes of devices (spirograph?). Anyway, the risks of heart attack and or pulmonary emboli from delatestryl scare me enough.

I am (and probably was from now on) using 30cc of delatestryl, reduced my dose myself, the script calls for 50 but when I reduced to 30 the gyno reduced also, so I kept it that way. I want to stop it, bupe's not reducing my T down the gutter and I fear for my life actually. I use no other drugs other than benzos (valium, restoril prn). I also get these feelings in my back and left shoulder that are really bizarre. But my pulse isn't high and I don't get asystoles (messed up heart beats).

So can I just stop taking Delatestryl right away, today would be the day of the week where I SC the dose, I really don't want to. I'll take any good advice. Thanks.
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I'm a little confused, maybe you could clarify:

Methadone lowered Test levels.. So Dr put you on delatestryl.. (as a side effect you got nipple lumps, adex stopped pain but not the lumps)... Dr scripted 10mg nolvadex... (lowering delatestryl reduced the size of the lump)...

i) were you on nolvadex at the same time as reducing the dose of delatestryl..?

ii) were you on delatestryl when you switched to buprenorphine, which you stated made your test levels fine..? (or did you come off delatestryl prior to having test levels tested)..?

iii) have you mentioned chest tightness, numbness in foot, strange feelings in back and shoulder to a GP..??

delatestryl given as part as TRT should be fairly safe, I'd be more concerned about long term valium, restoril use...
 
Genetic Freak said:
I'm a little confused, maybe you could clarify:

Methadone lowered Test levels.. So Dr put you on delatestryl.. (as a side effect you got nipple lumps, adex stopped pain but not the lumps)... Dr scripted 10mg nolvadex... (lowering delatestryl reduced the size of the lump)...

i) were you on nolvadex at the same time as reducing the dose of delatestryl..?

ii) were you on delatestryl when you switched to buprenorphine, which you stated made your test levels fine..? (or did you come off delatestryl prior to having test levels tested)..?

iii) have you mentioned chest tightness, numbness in foot, strange feelings in back and shoulder to a GP..??

delatestryl given as part as TRT should be fairly safe, I'd be more concerned about long term valium, restoril use...
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The anastrazole reduced the size/eliminated the cysts and stopped the gyno, but not entirely, that's why the switch to tamoxifen was made, because the surgeon I met wouldn't do surgery because I'm overweight (6'2 260 lbs). Tamoxifen reduced the gyno to almost totally gone levels.

I got on Delatestryl while on methadone and since it wasn't bringing my T levels back into normal (it raised it but not into the normal for my age, apparently), I tapered methadone and switched to bupe, august 2013, now tapering bupe slowly 2mg at a time, it's a bit difficult, it could be the cause of many of my physical feelings, but I'm promised 60mg generic oxycontins by my GP once I get off bupe (was never really a junkie, was left in the cold by a specialist who retired on me without warning, when i was on codeine-contin 200mg x2 every 12 hours with a supeudol 10mg (oxy ir) as needed, so I got really sick and in pain and got into black market pharms and unfortunately shooting up dilaudid so I had to put a stop to it, was too damn hard once I crossed the IV line...still feeling the effects of my stupid decision from 3 years ago now, fuck.

I'll mention to my GP the next time I see him (in a couple weeks, maybe before if I press the issue with the secretary) about those cardiac-like feelings and the breathing problems, I got asthma, which isn't too bad, but I think I caught a bug or something but it's hard to tell when constantly on opiates, even bupe, I was spitting green stuff last week but not anymore. The large folded user's guide inside the Delatestryl box talks about how people with respiratory issues might not want to be taking it. I'm already sick of it due to what it caused (slight gyno, painful bumps on my chest).

I'm not going to be taking my SC shot this week anyway, I think that since the last results that said my T levels were okay, I should have been told to ween off this stuff but for now, the alarming symptoms will force me not to take any until I see the doc where we can discuss this.

Yeah the benzos, well, I used valium to get rid of a clonazepam addiction, I was at 4mg and now use 20mg valium daily, so a reduction of 2/3 in benzo gaba receptors activity, it was quite something to get rid of that veil/fog I didn't even realize was there on that much clonazepam. The restoril 30mg I use maybe twice a week max, I did not develop any tolerance to its knock out effects in 6 months so I think I'm good and not in danger of slipping regarding these. The documented side effects and groups of lawyers sueing the makers of Delatestryl kind of alarm me that it may not be safe to continue using it when T levels are proven to be fine. The low T levels were caused by methadone, not my own system going kaput when I was still in my 20's, I'm pretty sure of that.
 
Hey.... It sounds like you're almost on track, and tapering nicely with the pharms...

My concern is your test levels look like they've been assessed whilst you've been injecting delatestryl, therefore once you come off your natural levels might still be low..

According to my info delatestryl is Testosterone enanthate, therefore if you drop it now in about 3-4 weeks it should be clear of your system... Regular testing after that should indicate if your HPTA is starting to recover or not...

Of note: your high BF% might have been a contributory factor to your gyno, as the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen is found largely in adipose (fat) tissue...

Delatestryl might work with less side effects if you dropped the BF% to 10%....
 
Before I got on methadone, I weighted 180 lbs. It made me gain 110 pounds in 11 months, also a factor in me switching to bupe. No matter how much biking I did this summer (and I had to buy a larger gel seat ugh...), all the fat is in the belly, I managed to get rid of a weed-belly (munchies-caused...I had Lots of weed a decade ago..) with a stationary bike and sit ups then. I lost some of the weight (30 pounds) but it's so damn difficult to move yourself around when that heavy you know, when I got myself in shape a decade ago to get rid of that weed belly, I weighted 235lbs at worst, the 30 pounds I lost were most likely water-retention from methadone, a common side effect.

All I know is that I'm making progress but it's ever so slow and maybe I should put the bupe tapering on pause because the side effects from that might be the most severe and it's hard to know what is actually going on if having opiate wd effects. What i know for sure is that these effects I described in my OP mostly appeared when switching to tamoxifen, but were present with anastrazole, which also can cause cardio issues, maybe I better drop all the hormones and anti hormones for a month like you said and have blood tests then and see what's up. Thanks for the tips.
 
THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Before I got on methadone, I weighted 180 lbs. It made me gain 110 pounds in 11 months, also a factor in me switching to bupe. No matter how much biking I did this summer (and I had to buy a larger gel seat ugh...), all the fat is in the belly, I managed to get rid of a weed-belly (munchies-caused...I had Lots of weed a decade ago..) with a stationary bike and sit ups then. I lost some of the weight (30 pounds) but it's so damn difficult to move yourself around when that heavy you know, when I got myself in shape a decade ago to get rid of that weed belly, I weighted 235lbs at worst, the 30 pounds I lost were most likely water-retention from methadone, a common side effect.

All I know is that I'm making progress but it's ever so slow and maybe I should put the bupe tapering on pause because the side effects from that might be the most severe and it's hard to know what is actually going on if having opiate wd effects. What i know for sure is that these effects I described in my OP mostly appeared when switching to tamoxifen, but were present with anastrozole, which also can cause cardiac issues, maybe I better drop all the hormones and anti hormones for a month like you said and have blood tests then and see what's up. Thanks for the tips.
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Keep us informed on your progress.... Its a possibility your test levels might take a while to return to normal, be aware it might take some time... low test can be difficult to deal with regarding issues with depression and lack of motivation...
 
Well, the test levels were normal last time I had a general blood check like I said. I haven't used Tamoxifen in over a week and I feel better without it. Not feeling any kind of T withdrawal, which I know can happen and is also very unpleasant. In 3 weeks I have my appointment, so I'll probably have my blood tests sheet from my GP then. Not really depressed either, I suffer from SAD sort of, I really hate autumn, there's no light at all in this very mountainous part of Canada I live in. It's been gray and even grayer everyday since 2 months, goddamnit.
 
^try tanning beds to treat sad. It's what I do as in the Midwest states it gets dark and shitty and makes me feel depressed. Tanning a few days a week makes me feel better.
 
TMI Alert:

3 weeks after not giving myself a shot of Delatestryl SC. I wake up with boners and the gyno has reduced even more. To the point it doesn't concern my self esteem much anymore, they just look like what they should on a tall but still overweight person. The only question is the reappearance of cysts, but they are not painful at all, unlike before I started the Delatestryl regimen and 2 months later adding anastrazole for a whole year. Didn't take tamoxifen for more than a week, gave me some tachycardia and feeling like death, I pity the people who have to take it, absolutely, because they have cancer.

So if my blood test I'll be taking next week a month after I stopped using Delatestryl, it means the treatment was successful, right? T was declared normal 2 months ago, and now it seems like it's still normal. Which is great news, I will be able to ditch the bupe and go back on a full agonist, my GP promised me generic 60mg oxycontins once I get off it, and the fact I have to take generics (the first generics I was given instead of brand name suboxone were alright, tasted much less acidic and awful than the brand name Suboxone, melted way faster too, but they changed generics again which are Mylans-Buprenorph-Nalox, and dear god, they taste horrible, and with the previous generics and the brand name suboxone, I was able to put one under my tongue at 8 am and go back to bed (I don't have to be up before 11 am), with the Mylans, I wake up with still a paste and a beyond horrible taste that cannot even be considered lime/lemon tasting. I think for the remainder of my tapering I'll be buying brand name Suboxone, it'll be 8 bucks a week, but hey, if I don't have to suffer this horrible taste anymore. It will be great. and once I have my pain issues taken care of with the 60's generics (which I will only chew half of, I promise to myself), I'll be able to get myself going and get the cardio I need to get back into the shape I used to be known for.
 
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