How to lessen the risk of cardiovascular disease?

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Is there a way to use steroids (AAS for short) in a way that it will not increase the risk of developing cardiovascular disease later in life by a significant amount? If you stick to a low dosage of testosterone, say 125mg test enanthate/wk, and use something like anavar which is less androgenic, keeping it to just one or two cycles per year, will you be able to maintain a low risk if your lifestyle and diet is healthy?

I think a lot of people rationalise their use of AAS by convincing themselves that their healthy diet and their regular exercise will somehow make up for the increased risk but there is a greater chance of them developing issues, especially if there is a family history (particulrly first degree relatives) and they are using high dosages of testosterone and other AAS. What are your thoughts?
 
Not really, because 125mg of test is useless. If you have first degree relatives that struggled with HBP and high cholesterol with no steroids involved, you're especially at an increased risk.
 
125mg won't do anything for a healthy adult male, once you take in account ester weights, it's about as much as your body makes naturally.
Anavar isn't all that great on cholesterol, so still, no good there.

Your best bet is to stay away from them, live a healthy life and get regular checkups.

Sorry.

Maybe a few years from now we will have sarms which will work for muscle while not being bad on your cardio vascular system.
 
I said 125mg/wk because the anavar will suppress testosterone to an extent so it's replacing what's there normally. Maybe anavar won't suppress it to the same extent as say nandrolone but I would hazard a guess that it does have an effect. edit I guess it doesn't really.
 
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Artificial Emotion said:
I said 125mg/wk because the anavar will suppress testosterone to an extent so it's replacing what's there normally. Maybe anavar won't suppress it to the same extent as say nandrolone but I would hazard a guess that it does have an effect. edit I guess it doesn't really.
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Nandrolone doesn't suppress endogenous test, it completely demolishes it to 0. Var alone won't really do much, though not nearly as stupid as running Deca alone.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
Is there a way to use steroids (AAS for short) in a way that it will not increase the risk of developing cardiovascular disease later in life by a significant amount? If you stick to a low dosage of testosterone, say 125mg test enanthate/wk, and use something like anavar which is less androgenic, keeping it to just one or two cycles per year, will you be able to maintain a low risk if your lifestyle and diet is healthy?

I think a lot of people rationalise their use of AAS by convincing themselves that their healthy diet and their regular exercise will somehow make up for the increased risk but there is a greater chance of them developing issues, especially if there is a family history (particulrly first degree relatives) and they are using high dosages of testosterone and other AAS. What are your thoughts?
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All you need to do is keep an eye on your blood pressure, RBC count, cholesterol, maintain a low sodium diet, don't abuse oral steroids, and eat healthy.

A low dose of Testosterone like that will only be sufficient to keep your libido functioning if combined with other injectables. A low dose like that will have no bodybuilding use. Anavar really isn't useful until you are 7% or lower in bodyfat. It's a precontest steroid or a steroid for women bodybuilders.
 
>Anavar really isn't useful until you are 7% or lower in bodyfat.
Depends on goals I guess, but even at higher bf it does give nice strength (especially combined with test) without much sides (except the cholesterol and back/shin pumps). Unfortunately it's expensive and often faked. But yeah, for looks you need a low bf to see it work (same goes for stuff like masteron). If I could afford it, I'd run var on most cycles.
 
crazycatman said:
>Anavar really isn't useful until you are 7% or lower in bodyfat.
Depends on goals I guess, but even at higher bf it does give nice strength (especially combined with test) without much sides (except the cholesterol and back/shin pumps). Unfortunately it's expensive and often faked. But yeah, for looks you need a low bf to see it work (same goes for stuff like masteron). If I could afford it, I'd run var on most cycles.
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Your wasting money running it a high body fat. Masteron is another waste of money at high bodyfat, it's not anabolic but will make you vascular, dry and hard as fuck. There are cheaper alternatives if you are looking for simply strength. Dianabol and Turnibol for example. Bodybuilding is chemical warfare in some aspects and the chemicals have a place and time when the battlefield (your body) is ready for a particular chemical. Given most of us here have limited resources so we have to introduce these chemicals at the time we will get maximum results. If money wasn't an issue though I would have 100mg of Anavar in my system given the low body fat I am at and if money wasn't an issue for most people I would tell them to run 150mg of Anavar with some Test and Clenbuterol if they were at a high bodyfat percentage.

If you are looking for an alternative to Anavar I recommended Epistane. 50mg-100mg everyday for 8-10 weeks in comparable to Anavar. Amazing recomp effect, dry, had, vascular, insane strength, really good shit. Many bodybuilders on another board I post at have been raving about the results they get from Epistane and one bodybuilder in particular prefers Epistane to Anavar due to the glycogen retention it gives and the anti-estrogen effect it gives. I got 10 grams of Epistane on hand right now and I will be running it at 100mg ED come the end of this month.
 
You're probably right about wasting your money, but a few times I got a really nice deal on anavar and the effects were definitely nice (strenght and endurance wise mostly)
. Now if I had to pay the normal price, then yeah, probably not worth it, other drugs would have been better. I've also tried masteron (wanted a test/tren blend, source only had test/tren/mast in stock, price was the same, so I thought what the hell, lets try it) and didn't get anything much (not even the fabled libido increase).

Never tried epistane so I wont comment on it.
 
I've heard that the gains from creatine can be comparable to a novice using creatine for the first time. I know anavar is relatively weak but that is surprising and I am skeptical about whether there's any truth to it. What do you think?

About the blood tests. Isn't price paid privately prohibitively expensive? I've seen services where you take your own blood and send it off yourself to a lab. Are these worth the money saved? Or should one just avoid this sort of thing?
 
Most AAS increase creatine levels but anavar is said to really ramp up creatine levels - personally have never used it but only see it beign useful pre contest or if your a female bodybuilder. It is veyr harsh on choelsterol levels and the lvier, as all oral steroids are.

I think AAS and the the connection with heart diesease really comes down to,

1, family history of any heart diesease
2, the types of AAS used and dosages

Obviously if you have hereditary HPB, high cholesterol, heart issues you are much more at risk.

High blood pressure - caused by aromatasable steroids (ones that convert to estrogen and cause water retention) things like test, dianabol, deca aswell

Choelsterol issues - not so much caused by injectables but oral steroids/17aa steroids. If your runnign injectables only, within reason of dosage you shouldnt really run into cholesterol issues especially with test. deca and tren I have seen cause choelsterol issues however I think it comes to dose. equipose aswell. Oral steroids, dianabol, stanozol, oxymetholone will cause cholsterol problems - I have seen people react differently to each one some people having a minor choelsterol effect from dianabol but horrible effect from stanazolol fro example.

physicall heart issues - the heart is a muscle, therefore it will atrophy/grow when exposed to anabolic steroids, left ventricular enlargement has been noted.

all in all, using injectables your better off, a good test or test/eq cycle with propper training and dieting will yeild good results and will be much less damaging than if you were to throw in orals or harsher inejctables such as tren. i have seen people still using just test on their 4th cycle, obviously slight dosage increases but it comes down to risk for benefeits really - keeping oral steroids to a shorter length of time and lower dosage is also going to do nothing but good in terms of health. healthy diety low in sodium will also help reudce blood pressure issues.
 
Family history of cardiovascular disease is only an indicator of genetic risk. People with no apparently family history living a healthy lifestyle still can get heart disease. Right?

Are the cardio risks associated with test dose related? If you stick to a max of say 600-700mg/wk test enanthate can you keep the risks much lower than if you used higher dosages like people eventually do when they want to keep getting further gains?
 
Yes it is still possible to get CVD without a family history... Your just at a reduced risk compared to someone with a family history of it.

Test is the easiest in terms of CVD risk in terms of cholesterol changes until your start running over a gram per week. It is still a potent androgen and can cause left ventricular enlargment though again dose dependent and for how long it is abused. Test will spike blood pressure though because it aromatases that should really be your only worry and is only on cycle that it is really a problem. But yeah sticking with test at 500 to 750mg only cycles is better, if you want to kick start it man up to the needle and run some propionate, again with a killer diet and training you can get very far with test only cycles no higher than a gram. Even if you want to shred up, test is still
Good it's an around great compound. The next safest thing is equipoise but save it for the longer cycles because it's a real long ester.
 
MollyFein74 said:
The next safest thing is equipoise but save it for the longer cycles because it's a real long ester.
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That's heavily, heavily debatable considering it's vet gear and there's no such thing as human grade EQ.
 
Voxide said:
That's heavily, heavily debatable considering it's vet gear and there's no such thing as human grade EQ.
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Not in regards to quality of the gear itself... but the actual steroid and its effects on the body. Most of the stuff made in underground labs I wouldnt really expect actual human grade stuff either but thats another topic
 
EQ can raise your hematocrit a bit too high (all steroids can, but eq and drol are one of the worst offenders), and too high hematocrit isn't good for your heart. Probably wise to get it checked and donate blood every so often.
 
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