How stupid would it be to use MDMA to fix a bad sleep schedule?

[SotPoker1012]

I've been falling asleep super early, within 3 hours of getting off work. As I work overnight, the majority of errands and chores I need to do can only be done in the daytime after my shift ends.

I have tried very hard to stay awake, and I can pull it off for a day or two, but then I fall asleep super early, wake up 5-6 hours later, have to catch up on everything I didn't do and then only sleep for 2-4 hours before I have to get up for work. I'm caught in this cycle where I'm constantly tired and can't just sleep a solid 8 hours to feel rested.

Today, I got home from work. Made some dinner, ate, sat at my computer desk and woke up 5 hours later face down on my keyboard and with a sore neck, not feeling rested at all. It's almost supernatural, I cannot stay awake.

Caffeine, despite my low to tolerance, does nothing to stop this without taking a mega dose of 600+ mg, which then only postpones this crash by a couple of hours.

I don't have easy access to traditional stimulants like amphetamines. I do have a large amount of MDMA (for the purposes of this post, i live in international waters).

Would taking MDMA after I eat dinner to force myself to stay up until my proper bedtime be a really stupid idea? My MDMA is the purest stuff I've ever had, and I've fallen asleep on it before but only while smoking a lot of weed on it.

Obviously the real solution is just discipline, force myself to stay awake no matter how sleepy I get, but I've consistently failed. I can manage it for a day but then I just crash harder later. I need to force myself to stay awake in order to fix my internal clock.

At this point, it's ruining my life. It takes me a week to get stuff done that I should be able to do in a day or two because of this sleep issue.

My immediate concern is that MDMA isn't suitable to be used without a significant break, so if one day isn't enough to actually fix it, I'll probably just have wasted a roll.

I'm turning to drugs/medication because I'm not in a position to switch to day shift work or something that might be more in tune with my natural biological clock. However I only started having this problem this year after being on night shift for nearly a decade.

At some point in the future I'm going to try to get some kind of extended release amphetamine, but that will be a while from now.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Do you have access to medical care? Drs can provide several different medication, some of the newest fanciest are the orexin antagonists which help with sleep consolidation. If you feel like your sleep schedule needs fixing I believe melatonin receptor agonists or z drugs would be the choice for sleep initiation

Our brain's internal clock is stimulated by a circuit leading from the eye to the hypothalamus helping to regulate our sleep wake cycle. Keeping this in mind it could be helpful to adjust your internal home lighting to match your schedule and to control your light exposure in general

Definitely talk to a Dr if you can, they know how important sleep is and I'm sure they personally understand shift work...

 

[Them Witches]

they say people that work 3rd shift live shorter lives do to bad sleep patterns. try to talk with a MD about developing something healthy

 

[SotPoker1012]

Do you have access to medical care? Drs can provide several different medication, some of the newest fanciest are the orexin antagonists which help with sleep consolidation. If you feel like your sleep schedule needs fixing I believe melatonin receptor agonists or z drugs would be the choice for sleep initiation

Our brain's internal clock is stimulated by a circuit leading from the eye to the hypothalamus helping to regulate our sleep wake cycle. Keeping this in mind it could be helpful to adjust your internal home lighting to match your schedule and to control your light exposure in general

Definitely talk to a Dr if you can, they know how important sleep is and I'm sure they personally understand shift work...

Thanks for the reply. I have limited access to healthcare as it's financially prohibitive for me. No insurance and street drugs are usually much cheaper so I tend to self medicate with them. (Yes I understand the problems with doing this, I had a battle with benzo addiction last year which started from self medicating panic attacks, and I'm currently a kratom addict from using that to manage pain related to a foot condition)

Ultimately I'm going to have to suck it up, save some money and reach out to a doctor if nothing else works in the meantime.

The lighting suggestion could be more immediately effective. I only have two small lamps in my bedroom, and blackout curtains that let very little light in from outside. As I have roommates, all of my stuff like the computer or work desk are in there and it's quite dark most of the time. I had not considered this.

Do you think one of those bright lights they use for seasonal depression would work? The kind that are meant to emulate daylight and even stimulate vitamin d production.

If this could be solved without introducing a new drug into my daily regimen that would be ideal, so I will definitely try that first. (Though obviously MDMA isn't suitable for that anyway)

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

I took whole tab of acid once to fix amphetamine withdrawal lethargy. Kinda dramatic solution, but it worked for one day. I am not sure if I upregulated any essential receptors for functioning at all that day, but I wasn't tired for duration of high.

whatever you do, don't get into some molly microdose regimen. it fucks you up easily without offering much anything. People just start to get horrible comedowns very fast. Roll proper and have fun at least if you take molly IMHO. I have tried <80 mg doses few times it is kinda okayish, but not that interesting and I do not recommend any regimen thinking consequences scale in linear fashion.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Do you think one of those bright lights they use for seasonal depression would work? The kind that are meant to emulate daylight and even stimulate vitamin d production.

It is effective for treating DSPD in some kind of protocol what I have read (it just does not cure it because it is permanent condition). So it definitely modulates people proper.

 

[SotPoker1012]

I took whole tab of acid once to fix amphetamine withdrawal lethargy. Kinda dramatic solution, but it worked for one day. I am not sure if I upregulated any essential receptors for functioning at all that day, but I wasn't tired for duration of high.

whatever you do, don't get into some molly microdose regimen. it fucks you up easily without offering much anything. People just start to get horrible comedowns very fast. Roll proper and have fun at least if you take molly IMHO. I have tried <80 mg doses few times it is kinda okayish, but not that interesting and I do not recommend any regimen thinking consequences scale in linear fashion.

I had not considered acid for this purpose. I'm one of the few people I know that can sleep on it, but only after the peak. It might be worth experimenting with this weekend. Take a tab a couple of hours prior to the usual time I've been falling asleep so that I'm peaking around that time.

I did look into microdosing MDMA but it didn't seem like a good fit because tolerance builds so quickly and you can easily damage your ability to roll at all from taking it frequently. Not to mention that some people report depressive effects lasting days, weeks after a multi day MDMA binge.

I've never microdosed but I have taken 100mg two days in a row before. The comedown wasn't horrible but all I wanted to do was sleep for a couple of days after. It felt like I had been partying all weekend, because I basically was.

Taking it a single day with an extended break in between never results in any kind of comedown for me, except the occasional sore jaw if I rolled really hard.

Maybe microdosing LSD would work, it does produce some level of stimulation. I would have to find microdose tabs or get liquid LSD for that though.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Microdosing LSD was really cool IMO like the stimulant property is LEGIT, even bit manic.

New study just dropped tho that implies risk of heart valve condition associated to microdosing...was it shrooms? or both shrooms and acid? only one study for now, but it should be taken seriously. @someguyontheinternet

So I would carefully consider if you want to get on any regimen.

 

[paranoid android]

Night shift completely fucked my sleep. I could only really sleep in the daytime when i took temazepam or z drugs

 

[SotPoker1012]

Microdosing LSD was really cool IMO like the stimulant property is LEGIT, even bit manic.

New study just dropped tho that implies risk of heart valve condition associated to microdosing...was it shrooms? or both shrooms and acid? only one study for now, but it should be taken seriously. @someguyontheinternet

So I would carefully consider if you want to get on any regimen.

Both shrooms and LSD definitely raise my blood pressure so I'm not surprised that microdosing can have long term cardiovascular effects.

I would be curious to see that study. It would be interesting to know how long they were microdosing before damage became apparent.

Night shift completely fucked my sleep. I could only really sleep in the daytime when i took temazepam or z drugs

I've always been a night person and had little difficulty sleeping in the day, but that's a common issue. For me, the problems arise more from the fact that I get off work at 6:30am, way before anything opens, and then have to stay up an extra 3-4 hours to get anything like shopping or appointments done.
If I could just go straight to bed when I got off work, I would probably be fine working overnight.

 

[idle_curiosity]

Modafinil is a mild stimulant which is recommended for people with shift work related sleep disorders and narcolepsy type symptoms. It's relatively cheap, easy to get hold of, and is not generally regarded as a 'watched drug' in most jurisdictions.

 

[unodelacosa]

Yes, MDMA is a bad choice of stimulant for this purpose. You're much better off going with something like caffeine. Maybe drink a Red Bull. See, I think you're coming home after work and eating a full meal and this is causing your insulin levels to spike in response to the sugars, starches and carbohydrates you take in. If you drink at all with this, that will just compound the sleep problem.

So I would say a better move would be to have a small snack and postpone the full meal until after you get done with the chores you wanted to get done, and then eat a sensible meal, take a shower, do some meditations, and fall sleep reading a good book. Sleep in a quiet, dark room for at least six hours. Wake feeling rested and don't forget to try to get 30 min of exercise in each day. Helps you sleep, too. You can do it; exercise that will power

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Do you have access to medical care? Drs can provide several different medication, some of the newest fanciest are the orexin antagonists which help with sleep consolidation. If you feel like your sleep schedule needs fixing I believe melatonin receptor agonists or z drugs would be the choice for sleep initiation

Our brain's internal clock is stimulated by a circuit leading from the eye to the hypothalamus helping to regulate our sleep wake cycle. Keeping this in mind it could be helpful to adjust your internal home lighting to match your schedule and to control your light exposure in general

Definitely talk to a Dr if you can, they know how important sleep is and I'm sure they personally understand shift work...

A fucked Hippocampus, by chronic stress. Cortisol shrinks it.
When not re-balanced, by the PNS,.
And it directly interacts with the Hypothalamus.
So downstream effects on sleep by interaction with the Hypo Thalamus.
Correct me when its wrong, i am no dr, but also know little more then one.

Had about 2 1/2 year insomnia after history of chronic stress, and a peak att.
Like my brain said enough is enough, my doc refused to help [NL].
So finally got insomnia insults, Hospitalisation but they didn t know what to do.

So they called & waited for an external psychiatrist to arrive.
Took 2 hours. While my brain was being fried.

On staying awake, MDMA would be my last choice, or not even a option.
Desperate means mean desperate measure s.
Staying awake by physical effort a option when physically beat ?
Maybe Brain activating activities, also hard but mentally.

Power-naps, maximum 20 minutes sleep [out].
Does need some training and a alarm or waker.
There is info on that, i ll try to find.
https://sleepsurge.com/power-nap
Love 3: "Make sure you set an alarm clock for when it is time to wake up.
Progressive alarms that wake you up gently rather than stun you awake,
are much better". A iPhone in Flight-Modus/ no WIFI or Blue-tooth on, will do.

Swimmers or rowers ? Did this in between training,
and it boosted their performance. Measurably.

Some sort of Herb/ medication to stretch that sleep period.
Would also be nice, they reset my sleep architecture by accident.
A DETOX, where i got Diazepam 5 days in descending dose.
For Herbs: Mulungu, Lemon Balm, Passieflora Incarnata and/ or Magnolia extract.
A good raw liquid full-spectrum Valerian bottle might do the job