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Heroin How much is too much?

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hankyman

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Hi, I just registered so I could ask a question about SWIM that I'm concerned about.

SWIM is already an alcoholic and has recently started experimenting with heroin. They have bought what I guess is about 1.5 grams of street heroin (cost £<no price discussion> in the UK - light brown powder, that's all I know). They said they intend to snort it sometime over the weekend, how concerned should I be?


Any advice would be greatly appreciated....
 
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What's with all the swimming? Are you a fish? Do fish even have opiate receptors? Heroin might not even work.

An alcoholic experimenting with heroin is something I would be concerned about. If you couldn't control your alcohol, what makes you think heroin will turn out any better? But it's really up to you man. You know the risks.

Are you worried about overdosing, or addiction?
 
Hey there welcome to Bluelight. Please read the BLUA and OD Guidelines as you agreed to read and be bound by upon creation of your account.

SWIM does not offer any protection from incrimination, just read the links in my signature and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Also, we don't allow the discussion of prices, but this is yet another thing that you will learn from the Guidelines.
 
i drink alcohol and use. it all depends on your ttolerance. sunday i had about 4 beers and a shot before and a shot after (15bags ech shot)
 
ok, didn't know about using "swim" or not - I'll read the guidelines again more carefully. But the question is about a friend, and not about me. I'm just concerned and am not sure how best to advise the person in question, he's the kind of guy who thinks he knows best and only seems to learn (or not) the hard way.
 
I've now read the guidelines. I only mentioned a price value as a way of describing the amount of heroin in question, when people talk about bags etc I have no idea what they are talking about. They're not really my thing, I prefer a few pints of Guiness.
 
hankyman said:
I've now read the guidelines. I only mentioned a price value as a way of describing the amount of heroin in question, when people talk about bags etc I have no idea what they are talking about. They're not really my thing, I prefer a few pints of Guiness.
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Thank you, so you understand that there is no price discussion, and that what you posted constituted a direct violation of the price violation rule, just for future reference.

You could have just left at 1.5g as most of us know what a gram and a half of heroin looks like so theres no need to include monetary value as it varies extremely city vs city, country vs country.

When people talk about bags of heroin they are talking about how heroin comes in usually specially folded glassine / stamp bags, so it's kind of self explanatory, but each bag is supposed to be 0.1g, and we can't discuss the most common price per bag.
 
Thanks for that.

So is 1.5 grams a dangerous amount to take - either with or without alcohol?
 
hankyman said:
I've now read the guidelines. I only mentioned a price value as a way of describing the amount of heroin in question, when people talk about bags etc I have no idea what they are talking about. They're not really my thing, I prefer a few pints of Guiness.
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just use the words "hit", "small", or "big" and people will know what you are talking about. as far as mixing H and alcohol....it's a bad idea. i have been using opiates, benzos, and alcohol (but only three point beer and i take my benzos as prescribed) for years now. i know my body. i know what i can handle. everyone's track record is different here.

that being said, ideally, no one should EVER mix H with other downers (or with uppers for that matter). tell your friend that if he's going to be fucking with H, he needs to lay off the booze. the combo has killed COUNTLESS people. heroin is a very powerful opiate. not the MOST powerful IMO...that spot is reserved for fentanyl.

anyway, welcome aboard. have fun here and be sure you focus on harm reduction in what ever you post. once again, welcome! =)
 
nycblueskie said:
i drink alcohol and use. it all depends on your ttolerance. sunday i had about 4 beers and a shot before and a shot after (15bags ech shot)
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Alcohol causes respiratory depression by diffusing into the cell membranes of nerve cells and inhibiting the passive neuronal flux of Na. In an overdose, Na/potassium ATPase is inhibited and cAMP and GABA synthesis is impaired. This means a receptor antagonist like narcan will not reverse the alcohol component of an overdose. Aka, shit outta luck.

Also, both opioids and ethanol are partly metabolized by a common hepatic mechanism, leading to slower disposal rates and higher toxicity. Your tolerance may remain high, but damage to your metabolic systems can result in unpredictable rises in pharmocological action.

Tolerance, metabolic rate, and synergistic potentiation aside, you simply do not know the purity of your dope. A lower overdose threshold when combining alcohol and heroin magnifies the risk of overdose due to unknown and misjudged purity by quit a bit. The recreational dose of heroin is close enough to its lethal dose. Adding alcohol only reduces this margin of error.

Just be careful man.
 
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Thanks for that.

So is 1.5 grams a dangerous amount to take - either with or without alcohol?
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1.5 grams is pretty much saying "i want to overdose" if you are opiate naive. that's enough to kill a lot of addicts i know if it's strong enough.
 
hankyman said:
Thanks for that.

So is 1.5 grams a dangerous amount to take - either with or without alcohol?
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At one time and with no tolerance?! Yes. Although dangerous is putting it mild. 1.5 grams of heroin for someone with no opioid tolerance will straight up kill you. Maybe if you think of it as 1,500mg you would get a better perspective......
 
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