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Bupe How long to wait before taking Suboxone. Get your facts straight

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I am only writing this to help others. I have been reading some threads about the waiting period before taking suboxone and about how to use suboxone and I am shocked at the responses I read! Some people on this site have given horrible advice that can cause serious harm. do some of you WANT to make others sick with your advice? Fortunately, some here were spot on with their advice, but were followed by other posters who were dead wrong.


1. Everytime you take suboxone to deal with withdrawals, there is a chance your body will react differently. This is basic pharmacology. Also, obviously every person may react differently.

2. It does not matter if you are in withdrawal already, if you take subs too soon, you still may go into precipitated withdrawal. It is hard to measure what level of withdrawal you are having because it is all relative. I knew of one person's experience where he was in withdrawal, sniffling, restless, sweats, etc...and he took the suboxone about 10 hours after his last hit of heroin. HE WENT INTO THE WORST WITHDRAWAL OF HIS LIFE! Precipitated withdrawal from taking subs too early is HELL! It is 10x worse than the worse opiate withdrawals. I ended up in the hopital.

3. Just because you may have taken your sub 8 hours or whatever after your last dose of opiates and didn't go into WD, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN EVERY TIME! You are playing roullette and it will bite you in the ass.

The point is this, If you wait 24 hours and dont feel WDs yet, it is too soon.
If you wait 12 hours and you are in WD, it is still too soon. Wait 12 more hours.
If you are on methadone, don't play games with the timing. Its not worth it. The only SAFE option is to switch to other opiates for at least a week or more before you even think about taking subs.

It doesn't matter if you got away with it and were fine before, you wont always react the same. I learned this the hard way so now you don't have to.
Obviosly there are many factors which play a role in your reation such as type of opiates you are on, how long you have been on them, and what dosages.

My advice:
1. Whatever you are on, taper first.
2. If you take meth, switch to a lighter opiate first.
3. Have Xanax at your ready just in case things go bad, it will help a little. Also, when going from opiates to subs, often the body reacts with some anxiety. Xanax will help this. I know that a pharmacist will say not to combine the 2 and may be correct, its your call.
4. No matter how bad your WDs are, precipitated WD from taking subs too soon is exponentially worse. Remember, its all relative.
5. With all these things taken into consideration, you should then follow these basics:
Heroin:No less than 24 hours
Oxy: No less than 36 hours

I hope this helps at least one person out there doing a Google search. These are seriously powerful medications and I hate to think of someone else experiencing so much pain.
 
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very helpful..... one of my first experiences with suboxone was messed up because i was misinformed.... i was told simply to "snort 2mg when you start kicking"

this may do good for others--good on you for writing it
 
Good advice and exactly what I have been trying to tell people. Messing around with suboxone and other opiates together is bad news. either take your subs, or take your dose. Methadone users, as said before, should swtich to a shorter acting opiate before going on to suboxone. Taking suboxone before experiencing full blown wds(especially on methadone) could potentially be the worst decision of your life. Speaking from experience, precipitated wds are far worse than anything you can imagine if you have a heavy habit.
 
Depends

I was searching Bluelight and found this.

I wanted to reply.


Suboxone is tricky but if used properly can be a good tool,for getting high and/or getting off depending on the person.

I think it depends on how long you've bein doing other opiates.
I for one only do full opiate agonists every now and then[once or twice a month].
I prefer taking Suboxone because it more than satisfies me and if i don't have it I don't feel to withdrawy.I can handle it.Plus I do tolerance breaks once a week.Full opiates are a treat[kind of] for me.

I used to shoot H everyday but that was a couple years ago.
Also I get a way better feeling of doing a 2milligram line of Sub than I do on 80 Milligrams of Hydrocodone or even a 60 of Oscar.
[Backround info]

If I dose 80 milligrams of Hydrocodone or Oxycodone and I wait 12 hours I can take suboxone with no Percipitated Withdrawl.
If you don't do opiates on a daily,the amount of time you have to wait decreases.

It's your body.Just remember your taking a risk.
I understand how my body works.Make sure you do too.

I have never went through Percipitated Withdrawls in my whole life.
Ive bein taking Suboxone on and off for about a year and a half now[along with occasional full opiates as I said].


Now with Methadone it is of course different because it lasts long.
Daily users of full agonists have to wait longer because of the drug accumulation in your body over time.


P.S.I Snort my Sub.


~Drew
 
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If Your main addiction is suboxone, though, than you can take it whenever you want after taking other opiates without a problem. AS LONG AS YOU DONT SHOOT IT. The nalaxone will send you into withdrawal in this case, but not the bupe from oral. I have tested this many times, and have taken heroin every day for up to 3 weeks and then still gone back to subs only a few hours after last dosing heroin, i have only ever gotten withdrawal if i shot the sub before the dope was out of my system. So for that case it MUST be nalaxone, not bupe, causing the withdrawal.


Just wanted to add this in, because if you run out of your subs or whatever, and do dope until you fill your script, i don't want you to have to suffer any longer than you need too.


You can take suboxone orally ANY time, 1 hour or 1 day after dosing heroin, as long as your dependency is suboxone not dope. Even, in my experience, if you have been on dope for more than a week. As long as you have been on subs for much longer than that you will NOT go into withdrawal. I have dosed suboxone 15 minutes after dosing heroin before just to see what would happen, and no withdrawal hit me.
 
^that's true , but I wouldn't do that if I were using for a week or more. How many times a day were you dosing the dope, and how much suboxone were you taking? that also plays into the picture. If your on say 2-4 mg of suboxone, and you go a week without, replacing it with dope, there's not going to be hardly any of htat bupe left on your receptors, and your addiction will switch over to full agonist.

Also your wrong about the shooting.
on friday I shot a bag of dope at 10 am and then three hours later shot some suboxone, and all I got was relief.
 
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If Your main addiction is suboxone, though, than you can take it whenever you want after taking other opiates without a problem. AS LONG AS YOU DONT SHOOT IT. The nalaxone will send you into withdrawal in this case, but not the bupe from oral. I have tested this many times, and have taken heroin every day for up to 3 weeks and then still gone back to subs only a few hours after last dosing heroin, i have only ever gotten withdrawal if i shot the sub before the dope was out of my system. So for that case it MUST be nalaxone, not bupe, causing the withdrawal.


Just wanted to add this in, because if you run out of your subs or whatever, and do dope until you fill your script, i don't want you to have to suffer any longer than you need too.


You can take suboxone orally ANY time, 1 hour or 1 day after dosing heroin, as long as your dependency is suboxone not dope. Even, in my experience, if you have been on dope for more than a week. As long as you have been on subs for much longer than that you will NOT go into withdrawal. I have dosed suboxone 15 minutes after dosing heroin before just to see what would happen, and no withdrawal hit me.
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its not the naloxone, BL has gone over this a million times, the shit hardly works and is only for shooting up and people still shoot it no prob...the actually opiates buprenorphine is the chemical that fucks u over into PW
 
Yea why do people STILL think that the nalaxone does something????

for the record(for the millionth time)...THE NALAXONE IN SUBOXONE DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING....NADA...NIL......ZILCH!!!!!THE WORST IT CAN DO IS GIVE YOU A HEADACHE, BUT IT CANNOT PUT YOU IN WITHDRAWALS....NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

I shoot up my suboxone EVERYDAY....and have done so hundreds and hundreds of times....NOT ONCE has it ever put me into withdrawals. And NO this is not me just getting lucky.....if you actually looked up the chemical information on bupernorphine and nalaxone, and then compared the two...you would understand why I dont get PW's when IV'ing suboxone. Please stop spreading STUPID FALSE RUMORS. That is completely against what bluelight is all about. So quit that shit!!
 
and also....caseface99 said up there ^^^^^ that you can take suboxone orally anytime if thats what you take regularly and if thats what your body is dependant on.

This is also false........I think he meant to say sublingually......and if he did, then he WAS right...
but unfortunately he said orall....in which case the suboxone does not work at all.

Please know what your typing before you post it.
 
lol @ people still thinking that naloxone is what makes you go into withdrawals......buprenorphine has a much higher affinity for the mu-receptors, thus always, ALWAYS out-competing the naloxone.
 
BIGsherm7272 said:
lol @ people still thinking that naloxone is what makes you go into withdrawals......buprenorphine has a much higher affinity for the mu-receptors, thus always, ALWAYS out-competing the naloxone.
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correct.....but also.....some people who understand that still think that if you IV suboxone you will go into withdrawals cause of the nalaxone.....which is rediculous.....

if the bupe out competes the nalaxone for the receptors EVERY time.....then why would it be any different for IV, or any ROA for that matter?

Idiots.
 
jamesBrown said:
and also....caseface99 said up there ^^^^^ that you can take suboxone orally anytime if thats what you take regularly and if thats what your body is dependant on.

This is also false........I think he meant to say sublingually......and if he did, then he WAS right...
but unfortunately he said orall....in which case the suboxone does not work at all.

Please know what your typing before you post it.
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I don't want to start a flame war but I would like to point out that you're response is a little off.
It does work orally it's just that the b/a is much lower so it does not work as well.
But saying that it doesn't work at all is incorrect.

A good example would be a friend of mine with no opiate tolerance was given a 8mg pill.
He didn't know what it was & was told to take it for fun.
He took it orally.
It rocked his world, he got sick as fuck.
So even though the b/a may only be like 10% (I may be wrong on that number as I don't feel like checking atm)
Orally that is still more than 0%.

Hope that helps clear up that misconception.

Also way to much hostility in this thread for my taste...
It's quite possible to get one's point across without being derogatory to other members.
Now that that is cleared up I'll extricate myself from this thread. :)
 
hmmmm I don't agree with you about being able to take sub whenever if you are addicted to subs. I would definately consider my main addiction to be subs thats what I take 80% of the time and from feb to june that was all I took and now I take it say 5 days out of the week. So now when I take a day off from sub and do H if I don't wait long enough I still get the precip W/D, I do shoot it usually so maybe you are right but I don't see why it would matter if I shot it or snorted it or sublingualed it(which I never do)
 
Your quite right I guess I didnt type it correctly...it only has about a 5-10% BA orally therefore is almost useless to do. And my point was that I thought the other poster meant to type sublingually but just typed orally by accident.

No ones being derogatory....its just when people post there wrong opinions as facts, and do so with a strong tone....its not a very happily accepted thing.
 
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hmmmm I don't agree with you about being able to take sub whenever if you are addicted to subs. I would definately consider my main addiction to be subs thats what I take 80% of the time and from feb to june that was all I took and now I take it say 5 days out of the week. So now when I take a day off from sub and do H if I don't wait long enough I still get the precip W/D, I do shoot it usually so maybe you are right but I don't see why it would matter if I shot it or snorted it or sublingualed it(which I never do)
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It doesnt matter what ROA you use...but its true that as long as you have bupe on your receptors you will not go into PW's.
 
hmm yea I probably just didnt have any bupe left in my system then. Because I usually wait 24 hours after Iving 2mg of bupe then do h for a day or 2 so at least 48 hours if I do h for a day from my last 2mg bupe til im back on it again.
 
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hmm yea I probably just didnt have any bupe left in my system then. Because I usually wait 24 hours after Iving 2mg of bupe then do h for a day or 2 so at least 48 hours if I do h for a day from my last 2mg bupe til im back on it again.
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yea probably not
 
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