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Opioids How Long Does Physical Habituation Take?

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KattyKorner

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I'm curious how long people think it takes before your body becomes dependent on opioids.

I'm discussing legalization of drugs on reddit, and people had the classic "soft drugs, not hard drugs" for legalization, and I would like to get a sort of idea of how long it takes to become physically dependent on opioids.
 
I think this probably varies according to an individuals biology.
For myself it never took very long, if I used heroin for anything more than a few days in a row I would suffer withdrawl symptoms.

Granted that if it was only say 3-4 days the wd wasn't very severe but it was still there.

I think this is a hard one to answer definitely, the longer I would stay on the more severe the wd, I think it only took probably a couple of weeks to become pretty much totally dependant, however others would likely answer differently.
 
I think those few people that manage to take opioids intermittently do so max. 3 days in a row and then take few weeks break minimum. I guess that regimen is only theoretical hope to avoid dependency. But opis are anyway hella addictive psychologically and I must condone against even trying that, if that's what you were thinking. I hope you are just thinking about hypotheticals.

r/drugs and overall Reddit is remarkably echo chambered environment even if I commonly hate the word; overall design and functions lead to confusing situation where there are a lot of leftists that turn out being relatively moderate in things that could sow them downvotes, like questions about wide legalization and plenty others I leave unmentioned to not distract conversation.

e: oh yeah the bit I have read about few days commonly in recreational reference frame so doses averaging on the higher side. It also becomes easier to develop dependence the more cycles of use and discontinuation person goes through. So opioid-naive person who takes opioids for two weeks after surgery is more unlikely to develop any withdrawals syndromes compared to person who uses same doses for two weeks few times a year.
 
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KattyKorner said:
I'm curious how long people think it takes before your body becomes dependent on opioids.

I'm discussing legalization of drugs on reddit, and people had the classic "soft drugs, not hard drugs" for legalization, and I would like to get a sort of idea of how long it takes to become physically dependent on opioids.
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Discussing this with social justice 17 year olds that don’t understand the issue is going to be frustrating. I wouldn’t even waste your time. Reddit thinks all opioids should be eradicated from medical use and replaced wish weed and mushrooms.

For me 4 days. 10 days to be really hooked. It varies from person to person.
 
At start, i was 8-9 days on them and didn't suffer any discomfort of WD. Today, 6 -8 hours and WD is almost here.
 
When prescribed 84 5 mg. pills of Oxycodone and take as prescribed.
3 x 1 a day, none. Take 20 gr. Kratom leaf powder 24/ 7, some.

And that s as far as i went, and would dare to go.

And then there is that theory of the Rat Cage vs Rat Park experiment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park
Which kinda explained why UK granny s, don t even get hooked on:
Di-Acetyl-Morphine IV, even after 3 week s or so. After Hip-replacement.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
I think those few people that manage to take opioids intermittently do so max. 3 days in a row and then take few weeks break minimum.
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I'm more curious to know the minimum amount of time required to wait to avoid withdrawal.
 
Imho it depends on personal disposition/situation (rat park is legit but physical dependence will also develop for UK grannies - not necessarily addiction though) but also on the drug/dose. Worst and fastest WD comes with fent/heroin. 3 days of H and I was useless without. One week of Tramadol iv twice a day in a hospital left a friend of mine in the rattles after coming home. A few days of oxy after an operation had another suffer emotional WD...
And then there's the kindling effect, meaning if you got hooked before, the next time it will go faster and take longer to overcome.
 
red22 said:
I'm more curious to know the minimum amount of time required to wait to avoid withdrawal.
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Once a week, one single dose, worked for a few months for me. I wouldn't try that with H though. The lower the dose you need, the longer it's likely to work. But eventually you will slip...
 
KattyKorner said:
legalization of drugs
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If drugs are legal, regulated for purity, affordable, and readily available, then dependence becomes a relatively minor issue.

Joe Six-Pack is a loving and responsible family man who has a full-time job and never gets in trouble with the law. Every evening after work he enjoys a few beers.

Joe is probably dependent on alcohol to some degree. But he can easily afford his habit, so he's not likely to commit crimes to support it. Nor is he likely to drop dead from a contaminated beer.
 
That is a tough one as I guess it is an individual thing , I have heard of people having hammer just once and needing it again stright away to keep the withdrawals at bay .
On the other end of the scale there is me who has a severe brain injury due to head trauma 15 years ago , and for the last 10 years the only thing that helps take the edge odd the pain is oxy , panadine forte ( vicodine in america ) and tramadol , I have 2 of each 3 times a day ( along with other medications ) .
Every so often I will stop taking them for a day or 2 just to see . There are no withdrawal effects from the opioids, the only withdrawal I get is from the ssi side of the tramadol .
I'm not sure wether the lack of withdrawal symptoms is because of the brain injury or just an individual thing ?
 
Mushoku_Sensei said:
Once a week, one single dose, worked for a few months for me. I wouldn't try that with H though. The lower the dose you need, the longer it's likely to work. But eventually you will slip...
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Once-a-week? That's too much of a tease. I'm tempted to say that more frequent use still wouldn't induce withdrawal. What about every other day? 😊
 
jasperkent said:
If drugs are legal, regulated for purity, affordable, and readily available, then dependence becomes a relatively minor issue.

Joe Six-Pack is a loving and responsible family man who has a full-time job and never gets in trouble with the law. Every evening after work he enjoys a few beers.

Joe is probably dependent on alcohol to some degree. But he can easily afford his habit, so he's not likely to commit crimes to support it. Nor is he likely to drop dead from a contaminated beer.
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Alcohol is far cheaper than drugs like H but if you're drinking a lot of it every day the costs do add up, especially if you're in a particularly low paying job or on benefits etc. There are plenty of people who commit crime to pay for their drinking habits

It's also unlikely that coke or H etc will ever be that cheap, even if they were legalised, because you need huge fields to grow significant amounts of it and you can only grow it in certain climates. It's unlikely that if the USA / Europe etc legalise drugs the cartels and the taliban etc will give us a discount on the wares
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
Alcohol is far cheaper than drugs like H but if you're drinking a lot of it every day the costs do add up, especially if you're in a particularly low paying job or on benefits etc. There are plenty of people who commit crime to pay for their drinking habits

It's also unlikely that coke or H etc will ever be that cheap, even if they were legalised, because you need huge fields to grow significant amounts of it and you can only grow it in certain climates. It's unlikely that if the USA / Europe etc legalise drugs the cartels and the taliban etc will give us a discount on the wares
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Obviously.

The point is that legal drugs are safer & cheaper than illegal drugs. Alcohol can be a very dangerous drug but Prohibition didn't prevent people from drinking-- it just made alcohol more expensive & more dangerous.
 
red22 said:
Once-a-week? That's too much of a tease. I'm tempted to say that more frequent use still wouldn't induce withdrawal. What about every other day? 😊
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Every other day is where I'm at now. And it's not funny
Mushoku_Sensei

Opioids Thread 'Alternating drugs vs kindling effect'

This is another question about drug rotation/spacing doses, but a quick search didn't show me this one specifically, so:

Since I started using opioids again I have made sure to keep gaps in between to avoid/ slow down the development of tolerance/dependence. It was working fine for several months as long as I went for one dose 1-2x a week. Then it went to 3-4 times and after a while I had to increase my doses rather quickly and slight symptoms of WD appeared in between. I'm aware that messing with H gave it another push to very distinct and unignorable WD 😒. So by now it's really...
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The fact that no one replied to it doesn't bode well for me...😒
Also note that I could only make it work for that long cause I was using all kinds of fancy tricks to keep my tolerance low, including forbidden combinations on a regular basis. You'll go down in flames I promise..
 
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Mushoku_Sensei said:
Imho it depends on personal disposition/situation (rat park is legit but physical dependence will also develop for UK grannies - not necessarily addiction though) but also on the drug/dose. Worst and fastest WD comes with fent/heroin. 3 days of H and I was useless without. One week of Tramadol iv twice a day in a hospital left a friend of mine in the rattles after coming home. A few days of oxy after an operation had another suffer emotional WD...
And then there's the kindling effect, meaning if you got hooked before, the next time it will go faster and take longer to overcome.
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Falling in the group of the Rat-Cage experiment group.

Glad i had only 84 5 mg pill s of Oxycodone. Didn t abuse em !
About a month 15 mg/ day, not enough for Physical/
psychological addiction.
 
Mushoku_Sensei said:
Bless your luck... And stay careful not to push it....🙏
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Only time i was prescribed these, a miracle in NL.
Pain ussually has to be endured, broken bones are not a ticket
to good painkiller s. Was just a good emphatic non biased dr.

Didn t get or ask for repeat s logically, why waste a unique event !
Getting painkiller s when in severe pain. Like before dental surgery,
i get Kratom. As that branch is 100% pain is gain.
 
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