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How does GHB go with amphetamine?

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Just wondering if its a safe combo and if it's any good. Also is it possible to fall asleep on the comedown with GHB or is the speed too strong to let you fall asleep.
 
be careful of synergistic effects... while some bluelighters might have tried this combo and will vouch for its safety, any drug combination --ESPECIALLY stimulants and depressants-- could lead to unpredictable and traumatic (or REALLY FUN) effects.
can't anyone appreciate one drug by itself anymore? i used to be all about candyflipping and hippyflipping, but you just wind up masking some of the sensations associated with each...
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Many experienced bluelighters talk of the immense euphoria that the Cocaine+GHB combo
gives them.
I'm fairly certain that a GHB+Meth speedball *would* FEEL wonderful, however, be forewarned, this is VERY rough on the body.
Mixing strong CNS stimulants with strong CNS depresssants does a real number on the heart. I'm sure you've heard of all the deaths (celebrity even) related to Heroin + Cocaine speedballs.
Granted, Oral GHB and Nasal or Oral Methamphetamine speedballing is a bit safer than the aforementioned type, it *is* still a risk.
Using for a comedown is a whole different situation. I'm sure it too would feel pretty good..it would also be safer.
GHB can be a very dangerous substance in the wrong hands. If you have a fair amount of experience with using it, only then would I reccomend using it as a comedown aid. But it certainly will work as such.
 
i can vouche for the safety, or thereof. it really isn't as dangerous as you might think. i'm not trying to downplayit, of course be careful, but i have done mass amounts of amphetamines with G, and coke with G as well( i do have a high tolerance to both though)- which by the way is extremely euphoric and my all time favorite combo. just don't get too carried away with tthe G and you should be straight, it's easy to take to much when you're that jacked. otherwise, have some fun.
peace, outkast
[This message has been edited by outkast (edited 22 April 2001).]
 
"Mixing strong CNS stimulants with strong CNS depresssants does a real number on the heart. I'm sure you've heard of all the deaths (celebrity even) related to Heroin + Cocaine speedballs."
Speed ball deaths happen because speed increases your heart rate , while opiates slow your breathing. Thus you need more air while you are getting less.
 
I don't understand how this can work, since amphetamines release dopamine and G inhibits the uptake. The only thing I tried close to this was BZP and GHB and I never got a buzz from the G. These two are kinda at the opposite end of the spectrum, why mix them?
Peace
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"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation"....John Weidman/Stephen Sondheim Assasins
 
I don't think its a simple equation of "amphetamines release dopamine and G inhibits dopamine release". They probably target different but overlapping parts of the brain - so you lose some effect but they also complement each other in other ways.
I personally find the G/cocaine combo to be a good MDMA replacement...haven't tried G and amphetamines though...
- Citrus
 
G doesn't inhibit the uptake of dopamine, it actually increases it's production while inhibiting it's RELEASE. and considering coke inhibits it's reuptake you would think that they might not go well together. both of these drugs do a lot more than just that though. GHB also targets GABA receptor, etc. and as citrus said it does work because they affect different areas of the brain.
side note: amphetamines and G don't really have that synergistic effect that coke and G do, but it's still fun.
peae, outkast
 
Speed ball deaths happen because speed increases your heart rate , while opiates slow your breathing. Thus you need more air while you are getting less.
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Granted, this is *part* of the cause(s) of most death(s). However, withouth sounding rude, what's yer point?
Strong CNS depressants, such as heroin, do cause a slowing of the heart rate.[DTOA] My point being that even if one does survive, (with OR without medical attention) a speedball is *very* rough on the heart.
 
GHB + speed causes a GHB tolerance to build up quickly, which disappears when you don't take the speed. You may also feel nausea and loss of appetite the next day (but then it is speed we're talking about).
GHB + coke is a very pleasurable way of getting wasted. And you don't need much coke.
 
SpeedLimit55 , my point is that you are talking about speedballing. While this thread is about G and speed.
Saying how speedballing can be deadly (while interesting) is off topic, thus irrelevent.
GHB with "the effect characterization is extremely similar to alcohol" http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_effects.shtml
It is in the class of drugs 'sedative hypnotic'.
While opposed to the Opiates drug family which are 'analgesic narcotics'.
"drug (opiates) also depresses the function of the brain center that controls respiration; large doses of morphine (or of heroin, a very similar molecule) can kill by causing respiratory arrest."
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/opiates/opiates.shtml
"a speedball is *very* rough on the heart."
YES , but a speed ball is speed and opiates.
G and speed is the same as alcohol and speed. A sedative hypnotic and speed is not the same as an opiate and speed.
So it is not a speedball and doesn't have the same inherient risks.
 
I kind of agree with the above post. Obviously mixing speed and alcohol can make it easier to overdose on one or the other, but is a minor danger compared to real speedballs. Depressants like barbs and tranquilizers are used by hospitals when someone od's on coke or speed and has a seizure or an uncontrolled heart rate, etc. I think that the only really dangerous speedballs are heroin (or strong opiate) and coke or meth. The key ingredient is a strong opiate; other depressants for the most part reverse the effects of stimulants. Also, heroin causes respiratory depression and coke can in higher doses as well.
From www.findadeath.com (regarding Farley):
"Speedballs are now more common than straight Heroin overdoses in EMS. We paramedics administer "Narcan" to reverse the effects of a Heroin OD and sometimes find ourselves fighting with people who have been brought from under the opium overdose and coma, to tweaked, psychotic battles with the remaining rage of the speedy drugs that were ingested with them. There is another syndrome with Heroin, not necessarily in overdose enough to cause respiratory depression as in most Heroin deaths, but a reaction to Heroin that causes an altered cellular wall permeability in the alveoli (Lung sacks) that allows fluids, plasma, blood cells, to flood into the lungs and drown the user with astonishing speed, and no medical treatment can prevent rapid death. The result is a pink, blood tinged, frothy sputum from the mouth and nose (blood and plasmids) with rapid death to which no medical treatment can mitigate."
 
"a speedball is *very* rough on the heart."
YES , but a speed ball is speed and opiates.
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I was not aware of any drug users handbook. Granted, traditionally, a *true* speedball is Heroin and Cocaine.
However, as I mentioned (rather clearly I thought), I was not referring to a 'speed ball' in the context of Heroin + Cocaine.
Around here (Atlanta) people [granted un-informed] refer to a speedball as any combination of a stimulant and a depressant.
No offense, but I don't need you to tell me if I am or am not off topic
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I am well aware of the topic of this post.
My point being that a speedball (In the context of mixing stimulants and depressants) is rough on the heart, and risky.
Whether or not YOU feel a 'speedball' to be ONLY heroin + cocaine is off topic
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and a discussion for another time.
[*note- let the record show, that I am a FIRM beleiver of referring to heroin+cocaine as a speedball, and NOTHING else. However, for the sake of the poster, and many people reading, I referenced the term speedball (as many people do) as a mixture of a CNS depressant and stimulant.
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I agree too that a real speedball is coke and heroin; this is the infamous combination that has claimed the lives of several famous people. And correcting my earlier post, I don't agree with the last part of the post above about speedballs using speed.
 
I was unaware that anyone refered to a depressent and stimulant combo as a speed ball.
I did a line of coke with a guy once. Afterwards he said "it was a speedball , because it was mixed with speed."
It doesn't make things easy when people mix up terminolgy and mis-name shit.
I guess in Atlanta a 'red bull and vodka' would be a speedball then wouldn't it
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"My point being that a speedball (In the context of mixing stimulants and depressants) is rough on the heart, and risky."
Ok , can you back that up? Is that any stimulant and depressant or specific ones?
 
Why are we beating this topic to death?
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Are you just being a dick, or do you *really* want links? I think you know what I'm saying...at least I would hope so..
Like I said a strong CNS depressant + stimulant. I donno where the confusion lies for you.
Secondly, show me again where a 'speedball' is ONLY to refer to Heroin+Cocaine? (Again, I agree with you, that's how it *should* be, but it's not). Just because it's the way you're used to it, doesn't mean it's the only way.
*Again* I will repeat myself. I was using the term "Speedball" in a context of mixing Amphetamine (A strong CNS stimulant) and GHB (A CNS Depresant).
Granted we may not think it's right, but that doesn't matter. As you stated, many different people have different ideas on terminology.
Got it?
 
Well, I only did GHB 1 time and the effect was quite nice, but then I took a line of speed (wich I use for about 4 years now) and the effect of the G was totally gone...but then again, that was my only x-perience with G, so...
-GreetingZ
DhalsiM
 
"Why are we beating this topic to death?"
I apologise for debating and offering other insights to a discussion.
About the 'speedball' thing. I think it may save future confusion and arguments. If you used terms as they are commonly understood. Maybe using regional specific slang, might better be left off bluelight.
Basically the whole 'speedball' name thing is not an issue. Lets not argue about it. I thought you were talking about something that you weren't.
"do you *really* want links?"
Hell yeah I do. If you say something, you better be able to back it up. Be it through logic or a reference. If you can't verify what you say, then you are talking shit.
You have made an asertion that 'speed and G is rough on a persons heart'. I am as yet unconvinced.
Lets see if you can answer this time without resulting to name calling
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