How does E compare to opiates?

[Cerebral]

I'm an avid opiate user and I'm considering trying a few rolls or blowing some molly for my first experience with MDMA.. any insight as to their comparison?

A bit about my mental state: I hate getting in my own head too much, I always get very upset and uncomfortable when I smoke weed. Do I have to worry about that with E or Molly?

Thanks in advance.

 

[EpicurusFire]

I can't comment on the opiate comparison considering I stay the hell away from that shit, but I would venture to guess they are nothing alike.

However, as far as your question about the mindfuck...you have absolutely nothing to worry about. You feel more sober than you've ever been in your life, mentally.

Physically, on the other hand...

 

[sheepie]

A bit about my mental state: I hate getting in my own head too much, I always get very upset and uncomfortable when I smoke weed. Do I have to worry about that with E or Molly?

I get the same thing with weed. Molly is kind of the opposite. All your thoughts become clear and positive You feel really sober. Don't over do the dose though. For me at least, it gets to a point where you DO become paranoid and uncomfortable.

 

[Project Will]

Apples and oranges...

Read some trip reports here: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_MDMA.shtml if you want a feel on what MDMA is like.

As far as getting in your head too much, MDMA will (usually) give you a very positive outlook on any perceived problems going on in your life. I wouldn't worry about a "bad trip" or negative mental shit that can happen with hallucinogens. MDMA has, in my experience, always been a very positive experience - so don't psyche yourself out about a bad trip.

And if you decide to try MDMA, don't take too much at first! Start small (~50 or 75mg) and be sure to test your stuff. If you follow these two very easy steps, you will be all good.

 

[Cerebral]

Apples and oranges...

Read some trip reports here: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_MDMA.shtml if you want a feel on what MDMA is like.

As far as getting in your head too much, MDMA will (usually) give you a very positive outlook on any perceived problems going on in your life. I wouldn't worry about a "bad trip" or negative mental shit that can happen with hallucinogens. MDMA has, in my experience, always been a very positive experience - so don't psyche yourself out about a bad trip.

And if you decide to try MDMA, don't take too much at first! Start small (~50 or 75mg) and be sure to test your stuff. If you follow these two very easy steps, you will be all good.

Ok, I had been told by friends that I should take about 200 mg of molly the first time or just one roll if I'm getting pills.

Would you recommend I test the waters at home alone or would I be okay going to a concert? My main concern here is that based on my understanding it is wise only to roll a few times a year in order to maintain proper brain chemistry, i.e. prevent upsetting serotonin levels, and I'd rather go out and do something fun than sitting at home just to make sure I deal with the drug ok seeing as responsibly I should wait a couple months to roll again.

^I'm not a patient guy.

 

[EpicurusFire]

Ok, I had been told by friends that I should take about 200 mg of molly the first time or just one roll if I'm getting pills.

Would you recommend I test the waters at home alone or would I be okay going to a concert? My main concern here is that based on my understanding it is wise only to roll a few times a year in order to maintain proper brain chemistry, i.e. prevent upsetting serotonin levels, and I'd rather go out and do something fun than sitting at home just to make sure I deal with the drug ok seeing as responsibly I should wait a couple months to roll again.

^I'm not a patient guy.

MDMA is very much like psychedelics in the aspect of the quality of the experience is very dependent on setting and people you are with. You only get your first time once; don't waste it at home. Wait until an epic night...a huge festival or show with your best friends.

Please...don't do it at home.

 

[snowboarder7791]

MDMA is very much like psychedelics in the aspect of the quality of the experience is very dependent on setting and people you are with. You only get your first time once; don't waste it at home. Wait until an epic night...a huge festival or show with your best friends.

Please...don't do it at home.

yea i agree .. you can do it at home alone later... there is only one first time... have the first time with the ones you love

 

[Gerald92]

Ecstasy is the only drug i dont do alone. that doesnt mean you have to go to some festival though, you could do what i did my first time and roll with 2 of your closest friends at somebodies house. be ready for some pretty amazing emtoional conversations and shit. as for comparing E to opiates, not similar at all. i started using both around the same time, and ended up cutting opiates and i still do ecstasy. IMO opiates are not only way worse for you than E, but the high from E is ten times as good.

 

[Project Will]

Please, I beg you, do not start with 200mg! That is way too much as an initial dose. Nearly all of the bad experiences people have with MDMA are associated with 1) Taking too much or 2) Taking fake MDMA. Since you have never done it, you don't know how it will affect you.

Start with around 50mg and see how you feel. You can always take more. See how you feel after a moderate size initial dose and take more as needed. Sometimes less is more. Seriously. If you have ecstasy pills, start with half a pill.

As for testing, Dancesafe sells good test kits: http://dancesafe.org/products/testing-kits I use the Marquis test.

Setting plays a huge role in the experience. A concert with good friends is my favorite place to roll. Your first time will be absolute magic! Words don't do it justice. Do it with people you really care about - concert or not. Preferably do it with someone who has done it before and will be doing it with you.

 

[etnies]

Please, I beg you, do not start with 200mg! That is way too much as an initial dose. Nearly all of the bad experiences people have with MDMA are associated with 1) Taking too much or 2) Taking fake MDMA. Since you have never done it, you don't know how it will affect you.

Start with around 50mg and see how you feel. You can always take more. See how you feel after a moderate size initial dose and take more as needed. Sometimes less is more. Seriously. If you have ecstasy pills, start with half a pill.

As for testing, Dancesafe sells good test kits: http://dancesafe.org/products/testing-kits I use the Marquis test.

Setting plays a huge role in the experience. A concert with good friends is my favorite place to roll. Your first time will be absolute magic! Words don't do it justice. Do it with people you really care about - concert or not. Preferably do it with someone who has done it before and will be doing it with you.

Nice post, but I'd say start with 80-100mg of MDMA. First time I did it I did 6 bombs in 8 hours. Best night.

 

[stuckinaloop]

They are absolutely NOTHING alike.

Opiates make me feel real nice (I am heavily addicted to heroin lol).

The euphoria is nothing like taking a good e pill or some nice mdma...

You feel complete bliss on ecstasy (hence the name), and it's more of a trip. You can shoot H and be a functional human being (as long as you can support your habit).\

After a while opiates just make you feel normal when you do them. Honestly I wish I was an occasional E user rather than a frequent opiate user.

 

[Cerebral]

Thanks to everyone who has replied.. you have all been very helpful and I appreciate your time and insight.

I've heard molly is a lot better than rolls because you know exactly what you are getting. I'm thinking about waiting until I can find some molly for my first experience - is it worth the wait?

Additionally, thanks for clearing up that I should only take 80-100 mg the first time, i was going to split half a gram with my girlfriend - potential yikes.

 

[Project Will]

I'd say start with 80-100mg of MDMA. First time I did it I did 6 bombs in 8 hours. Best night.

I agree that 80-100mg is a good starting dose. I only say start with 50mg because a friend of mine had a bad reaction his first time doing 100mg of some particularly good Molly - he is very sensitive to the stuff.

Haha yeah my first time I did MDMA my friend handed me a Gatorade bottle mixed with Molly and told me to drink. So I chugged it all down. My friend then said he meant I should sip it, and that I just drank about 300mg. The come up was like a massive 5 minute panic attack from hell... followed by one of the best nights of my life.

 

[A Sai Ën]

He could also be insensitive. 100mg seems reasonable to me. Any opiate would damp the effects of it down anyway.

 

[Project Will]

He could also be insensitive. 100mg seems reasonable to me. Any opiate would damp the effects of it down anyway.

If he is insensitive to MDMA then all he has to do is take more. I find it better to er on the safe side. 80-100mg is a very reasonable dose to start with.

I've heard molly is a lot better than rolls because you know exactly what you are getting. I'm thinking about waiting until I can find some molly for my first experience - is it worth the wait?

Pills are quite often shit, but powder can be shit as well. Whatever you get, just be sure it is tested. I promise it is worthwhile spending the $25 on a test kit, getting ecstasy that turns out to be piperazines or some other nasty cut can be a miserable experience.

I just want to commend you for doing the research and taking the time to ask these questions before trying MDMA. Very responsible of you.

 

[pally pete]

yea i agree .. you can do it at home alone later... there is only one first time... have the first time with the ones you love

excellent advice %)

i can always remember my first time,where it was at (some warehouse in reading) who i was with and even the tune that was playing (jon the dentist - global phases ) as i 'come up' for the first time.

and to the OP,im not sure what the quality of mdma is like noways but id say 100-150mg should be ok and then just redose if and when required,the first time i took mdma i had around 150mg (which wasnt quite enough) but i already had a tolerance as id been using ecstasy on a weekly basis for the previous 8 months.

have fun.....and remember your first time is what all users will forever be chasing.

 

[Project Will]

the first time i took mdma i had around 150mg (which wasnt quite enough) but i already had a tolerance as id been using ecstasy on a weekly basis for the previous 8 months.

MDMA is ecstasy... Real ecstasy should contain only MDMA.

By MDMA do you mean the powder form?

 

[pally pete]

MDMA is ecstasy... Real ecstasy should contain only MDMA.

By MDMA do you mean the powder form?

i know mdma is ecstasy,its just that 'ecstasy pills' were/are a lot cheaper and notoriously poor quality compared to decent mdma powder.

when i refer to ecstasy i mean pills.

when i refer to mdma i mean powder.

 

[Special J]

I would NOT recommend rolling for the first time at a concert. You're going to want to talk and interact with people, which is really hard to do at a concert. I had it happen to me, and I got stuck in my own head. I found out that night that ecstasy can amplify other emotions besides lovey dovey. It got pretty bad. Which was a shame, because it was a great concert. Just keep in mind that if you get deprived of friends or physical contact, you can get paranoid and self-judgmental. I'd suggest a more secluded setting, and just focus on being with people you care about. But I suppose it varies.

 

[etnies]

I would NOT recommend rolling for the first time at a concert. You're going to want to talk and interact with people, which is really hard to do at a concert. I had it happen to me, and I got stuck in my own head. I found out that night that ecstasy can amplify other emotions besides lovey dovey. It got pretty bad. Which was a shame, because it was a great concert. Just keep in mind that if you get deprived of friends or physical contact, you can get paranoid and self-judgmental. I'd suggest a more secluded setting, and just focus on being with people you care about. But I suppose it varies.

First time I did it, I did 6 bombs at a underground rave. It was all love from the second I dropped that first pill, from the moment I stepped foot onto the cold new york city sidewalk.