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How do you tell someone to be careful

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so my girlfriend is young and very inexperienced with psychs having only shroomed one time and it was a low dose. im also not the most experienced tripper either, but im familiar with alot of drugs having tried a variety of psychadelics. anyways, im a little worried my girlfriend is getting in over her head, her friend recently got some 2cp and its going around her town like crazy. she has no idea how many milligrams are in each dose she buys, but insists its safe because her other friends have taken the same capsules. basicly its her friends birthday and she insists i not be there because me and her friend dont have a good history. im worried shes getting in over her head, she doesnt even know what tripping is. we smoke pretty regulary but thats about it. i feel a little protective and want to tell her to think about what shes taking and actually be prepared for it, but shes under the unfluence that its a party drug and its not a big deal. i have tried talking to her about it but she will barely listen to me and i dont know how to aproach the situation. 2cp is a drug i have not tried but i know it has very long trips and it is very easy to mess up your doseage. ive tried other RCs and from my experience they are insane.

is 2cp a bad drug to do for your first trip? (is it going to be mindblowingly strong or will she be able to handle it?)

what kindof things could i tell her to try to inform her of what shes in for? (well being polite and not trying to seem controllng because she will not listen if so)

should i even be worried or should i just shut the fuck up?

im not against her taking the drug, i just honestly think shes not going to be able to handle it, how do you tell someone that without pushing them away?
 
2c-p is a terrible idea for a newbie, they could be tripping for 20 hours...

They might get lucky with a low dose & cope ok, but I'd try to talk her out of it if possible.
 
2c-p, from what I gather, can be incredibly intense and very dose sensitive. Unfortunately, your girl is going to have to learn from her own mistakes just like we all do. Keep trying to get it across to her how careful she needs to be. At the very least encourage her to read BL and sites like Erowid to research this stuff. Make sure she reads the difficult experiences and trainwrecks and disaster trips.

She may have to make some terrible mistakes to learn. I just hope that, if she does make any mistakes, she gets the chance to learn from them. Not everyone is so lucky.
 
If you do not get through to her, make sure you are available at least by phone if she has a difficult time.
 
Like others stated 2c-p is very strong and isn't a very good one for someone inexperienced with tripping. Unfortunatly I know from experience that some people are far to hard headed to listen to good advice and have to learn by getting kicked in the face instead of just going about it in an intelligent way. Just try your best to get through to her and if you can't do what mouse said and atleast make sure you can get ahold of her.
 
Yeah sometimes you've got to really fuck up and go deeper than you planned to learn your lesson. Happened to me.
 
yeah, ide say no 2cp for her. but if thats whats gonna take for her to learn a lesson then whatevs.
 
at least make sure she won't be making and foolish combinations or double-dosing because 'nothing happened' for two hours.

the only thing you can do now is tell her she can call you with any concerns.
 
i had a pretty down to earth talk with her about it. i guess the kid has a mg scale so that made me feel alot better, and i guess her and her friend are maybe going to split a dose or something. i tried to talk her out of it but it really wasnt happening. if she freaks out shell learn her lesson, hopefully shell have a good time but now the only thing i can do is wait and find out.
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
look at my guide for taking drugs if you want to be super careful
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Quit spamming about your fucking guide on every thread that uses the word 'careful'. If he can't convince her to listen to him, do you think a checklist from some guy named Teotzlcoatl on a drug website is gonna do the trick? If she doesn't respond to the specific effects of this actual drug, why would she suddenly choose to adopt your categorical ban of synthetics? If she's wanting to take 2C-P and thinks it's safe "because it's a party drug" I bet she'll take your BS even less seriously than the rest of us here do. She CLEARLY doesn't share your fear of synthetics or much of any serious concern for safety to begin with - that's the whole point. In no way does your guide even discuss the concept of convincing others to adopt safer practices, and based on the ensuing "discussion" it's clear that persuasion isn't your strong point to begin with.

Does she understand how long it lasts, that if she has a bad trip she could be in the worst drug-induced suffering she's ever experienced for 20 entire hours? 2Cs in general are 'mild' compared to tryptamine but -P is probably the most potent and long-lasting and seems to be very unpredictable based on the limited reports that exist. Are you even sure it's really 2C-P if it's going around like crazy and people are calling it a party drug? If it is 2C-P, it sounds like it's a weak dose... DEFINITELY make sure she doesn't take more than one if you can't talk her out of it.
 
Sounds like you're going to have to let her make her own mistakes.

Been through this before with friends little brothers/sisters, younger friends and so on. Just let her know if she has a problem or whatever to give you a call. 2c-p is not one of those things you want to be convinced is a party drug that you can be reckless with though.

Letting people fuck up isn't the worst thing in the world, you usually learn a lot. 2c-p isn't a toy though so it could be a long night for her.

As far as talking her out of it goes... I'm 100% SURE that in her head she has decided not to listen to you on this subject, regardless of how much more experienced you may be. It's been decided. End of story.
 
Teo: yes... WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT. She is being careless, he wants advice to get through to her. "If she were careful and agreed with my views in the first place this wouldn't be a problem" is not helpful advice, it's just your narcissism shining through again. If you have nothing to add, go find another thread to spam, please. This is a good discussion about an important harms reduction issue.
 
I'm not sure I see that big of a problem. I'm assuming that the capsule of 2c-p that she is receiving has been weighed out properly due to seeing a circulation of the product. The product wouldn't circulate imo if the doses were out of wack. Let her do what she wants. You don't have to stick to classic psychedelics, they are not superior to RCs.

If you really want to help, find her some information on 2c-p. Don't try and control her.
 
Teo you should read what you've written before you click post. What you write isn't irrelevant to ALL discussion, however it's usually irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

The context of what we're talking about is important. Not just whatever is vaguely in the ballpark.

And to cloudy: I'm sure he's tried to find her information, if he hasn't then he's obviously been a bit small minded in his efforts to convince her. I'm guessing she'd refuse to actually read any. Probably because her friends have already told her that it will be all good. As for the doses being all good, I wouldn't count my chickens. I've circulated things that I've eyeballed and people take as gospel, the true amounts varying between say 10 and 18 mg. A bit reckless I know, but I did warn beforehand. Assuming other people will also make that warning is silly though. Also 2c-p isn't something to play around with, it can be really god damn hard. I wouldn't take it as my first psychedelic, even now I wouldn't take it on a whim like I do with 2c-e or LSD. Her complete lack of concern for her own health is the major concern here.
 
solistus said:
Quit spamming about your fucking guide on every thread that uses the word 'careful'. If he can't convince her to listen to him, do you think a checklist from some guy named Teotzlcoatl on a drug website is gonna do the trick? If she doesn't respond to the specific effects of this actual drug, why would she suddenly choose to adopt your categorical ban of synthetics? If she's wanting to take 2C-P and thinks it's safe "because it's a party drug" I bet she'll take your BS even less seriously than the rest of us here do. She CLEARLY doesn't share your fear of synthetics or much of any serious concern for safety to begin with - that's the whole point. In no way does your guide even discuss the concept of convincing others to adopt safer practices, and based on the ensuing "discussion" it's clear that persuasion isn't your strong point to begin with.

Does she understand how long it lasts, that if she has a bad trip she could be in the worst drug-induced suffering she's ever experienced for 20 entire hours? 2Cs in general are 'mild' compared to tryptamine but -P is probably the most potent and long-lasting and seems to be very unpredictable based on the limited reports that exist. Are you even sure it's really 2C-P if it's going around like crazy and people are calling it a party drug? If it is 2C-P, it sounds like it's a weak dose... DEFINITELY make sure she doesn't take more than one if you can't talk her out of it.
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hahha laughing quite hard chuckling too.
 
The result I expect is strangedays'. It's fun, whereas having Teo hear without the mockery and scorn is the opposite of fun.

My post was largely on topic, even the part bashing his 'input.' What, specifically, would you like me not to do? Is it the language? Sorry if you don't like the general attitude but it's how I make Teo's presence personally bearable. Why is it reasonable to expect me to filter Teo's bullshit if you can't filter mine? Sounds to me like we have different standards for what we find annoying and both of us post to point this out when we feel like it.

In the future, if you have a comment for me alone that is not on topic or relevant to others, a PM would be preferred. Honestly, of all the threads I've argued with Teo, I can't see your objection with this one. I called his obvious bs and got right back on topic. I'm not trying to incite another argument here to further threadjack (that's kinda why I've been saying *PM me if you have a concern* :\ ), but if you criticise me in public for what seems to me to be a bad reason I feel obligated to respond.
 
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