Opioids How do you guys counter/deal with kratom related constipation?

[Berdo tm1]

I feel that my kratom experience hasnt been totally bad such that I am still interested in more careful experimentation with it seeing as it seems one of the more benign substances on offer.

What ive found so far tho is that doses 2 grams or below dont produce any effect worthy of mention but when i get to 3 grams to 4 I start getting constipation. 4 grams last week the constipation was quite uncomfortable and stil didnt have an overwhelimg experience. When it wore off the other day at first i felt pains in my sides i was worried it was my kidneys but i was glad that it was just constipation but still not nice :D.

I already have a hemmoroid which i cant shift (even before i played with kratom had it for a cpl years now) so dont want to exaserbate it any more and at 4 grams it really fired it up with avengence sending it into a critical state for the day.

I know alot of you guys go alot higher so how do you manage the constipation? Also if I were to take a dump beforehand will the slowing of the bowels while on kratom matter seeing as i didnt have to shit or can it still cause 'backing up'? note i am not daily dosing ony once or twice a week.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think the answer to this one is pretty obvious, though it might not be what you want to hear.
Kratom doesn´t agree with your body, so why bother taking it?
You can keep on taking the kratom and add other drugs in order to combat the constipation but is doing kratom a few days a week really worth it?

 

[f33lg00d]

^ it's a common side effect and no reason to stop use.

Take a probiotic and/or laxitive with your kratom. Really a day of constipation isn't problematic. I don't get constipation from kratom but I take a probiotic to help with my suboxone constipation. Oh and yeah take a dump before you dose. Drinking milk helps too.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I know, but if it causes constipation to a degree where there is actual pain involved, even at a low recreational dose, when personally, I would draw the conslusion that this drug wasn´t for me.

I also wouldn´t consider a day with constipation here a there as not being problematic.
Not only is it not healthy having your garbage stored for too long, but other health problems might develop along the way as hemorrhoids, fissures, prolaps and so on. While this might not happen to the majority of people who suffers from occasional constipation, it certainly is possible, and if the constipation is not fixed, then those problems can be very hard to heal.
I this case, the OP already has the roid problem to deal with so taking a drug that causes constipation just seems counter productive to me.

 

[Crashing]

I agree with sourtulip. Opiates are probably the last thing you want to add to a hemorrhoid problem. I understand the unending desire to indulge, though. Maybe a good dose of stool softener along with increased water intake will balance out your problem a little bit. You have to experiment for yourself, though, and weigh the pros and cons.

 

[Berdo tm1]

Well i dont have an unending desire to indulge. TBH I have pretty much 0 inpulse to take it when i havent had any. not 0 ofc lol but its the least craving thing ive ever taken thats actually active i think. Nothing like coke for instance. tho i dont wanna get too cocky about that and get careless but that has been my expeirence so far.

I used to enjoy my dopa stims most but the mental strain they cause was too much for me and with my depression kept giving me little breakdowns so i think kratom is alot better alternative i figure maybe ill dabble in them agina but only when my depression is better in check. i was sober for nearly two years and that was hell so i want to find a balance of something safeish to lean on when the desire arises. So in that sense i think its alot healthier. downers seem alot more down to earth.

Well ofc im a big stickler for negative side effects but the constipation is mild so far yet slightly uncomfortable and im sure easily avoided with foresight which is why i asked, and i have terrible despression at the moment so its about weighing up the odds. and kratom if i find a good anti depressant dose is alot healthier to take a couple of times a week i think than taking some shit the doc gives which theyd want me on 24/7.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If you think that the pros outweights the cons, when this is my suggestions:

First, make sure you have your diet in check. You need to get enough fat in order to stimulate bowel movements and you need to get enough fibre. The fibre thing is very tricky, as it bulks up your stools which can be a problem if its too much. You got to find the right balance for you. I would NOT advice you to take fibre supplements when you have roids. A lot of doctors would give you that advice though, but I think its much better to get the fibre you need from foods, which shouldn´t be too hard, instead of adding a none-nutritional bulking agent.

Make sure you get enough exercise and dont stay inactive for too long at a time.

Make sure you get enough water (but dont over do it, this wont help anything)

As for stool softeners, miralax/movicol works, but takes some time to do so, in my experience 24-48 hours.
Magnesium citrate is another option and can be taken at a much lower dose than what is used to empty the bowels prior to surgery in order to soften stools without forcing a bowel movement.

Vitamin C in huge doses works too, best taken on an empty stomach for this particular purpose. Start with 2 grams and work your way up. Vitamin C does its thing fast and could be taken before bed after kratom ingestion + in the morning the day after.
Huge doses are well studied and doesn´t seem to have any adverse effects, at least not with short term or "not everyday" use.

MSM might be worth looking into too, even though this will work on your intestines in a completely other way and will take a long time to show it effects, which if it works, will make your intestinal lining stronger which helps coating the stools, thus making bowel movements easier to pass. I also wouldn´t be surprised if it helped a bit with your roid problem.

 

[Berdo tm1]

Thanks well this is also good info like you say for my roids and id been following alot of it already- i use wheat bran as getting fibre in food is a pain all the time
and drink as much water as i can without pissing it out. i gauged this by using a measuring juge and increasing and decreasing every amount till i stopped pissing it out, just hit the border, ie saturaiton point.

hmm didnt know that about vit c and it is great for you i have taken megadoses alot in the past, its also good for depression some sa.y i call bullshit on that but no hamr in it! :D.

Well anyway if i get the lfu symptoms again ill not be taking kratom agian cos that is a deifnite deal breaker for me, i seem to get flu like symptoms from just these once a week doses which last all week and that is deifnitely not worth it pisses me off since it means i would have that all the time every week form just one dose a week. but we'll see, im not that hopeful that i will be able to avkid it cos its happened every time ive taken kratom and i was making this my last trial if that annoying tickle cough comes back.

 

[Berdo tm1]

MSM looks like a wonder supplement . I have allergies too so it might hlep wiht those apparently. Tho im wary to take cliam of supplement with a huge chunk of salt, I have found some diamonds in the dirt that actually do make a difference such as NAC.

 

[Jabberwocky]

MSM looks like a wonder supplement . I have allergies too so it might hlep wiht those apparently. Tho im wary to take cliam of supplement with a huge chunk of salt, I have found some diamonds in the dirt that actually do make a difference such as NAC.

It just might be a wonder supplement, at least under the circumstances provided by conventional farming in regards to foods. It has helped me with multiple things, constipation being one of them.

If you want to give it a try, when you might want to consider the following:

MSM has some pretty strong detox properties so you should start out low and increase your dose VERY slowly. I made the mistake of increasing too fast, which gave me 5-6 days of detox symptoms.

Vitamin C will increase the bioavability of MSM and it also assists with some of MSM primary functions within the body so you might want to take some Vitamin C along with it.

Chloride and Flouride are known to decrease the positive effects of MSM. These are found in drinking water but can be removed easily, the most simple way is to let it sit for at least a few hours, 24 to be sure its all gone, as it will evaporate from the water. You can add a little vitamin C in order to speed up the process. 1000-2000 mg of Vitamin C is enough to de-chlorinade 100 gallons of water so you dont need much.


EDIT: In the case of long term use, you might also want to invest in the most expensive form of MSM, which is distilled, as opposed to just being crystalized as the cheeper brands.

 

[Stotched]

Metamucil with dinner, make sure to eat a salad every day, and drink a cup of coffee first thing when you wake up BEFORE you dose.

I go to the bathroom every morning within 30 minutes of my coffee with this routine.

 

[mabzie55]

Senna leaf.

 

[Berdo tm1]

Thanks, i got a load of vit c and msm on order this morning.

what do you mean it gave you 'detox symptoms'? No diea what detox symptoms are :D

It just might be a wonder supplement, at least under the circumstances provided by conventional farming in regards to foods. It has helped me with multiple things, constipation being one of them.

If you want to give it a try, when you might want to consider the following:

MSM has some pretty strong detox properties so you should start out low and increase your dose VERY slowly. I made the mistake of increasing too fast, which gave me 5-6 days of detox symptoms.

Vitamin C will increase the bioavability of MSM and it also assists with some of MSM primary functions within the body so you might want to take some Vitamin C along with it.

Chloride and Flouride are known to decrease the positive effects of MSM. These are found in drinking water but can be removed easily, the most simple way is to let it sit for at least a few hours, 24 to be sure its all gone, as it will evaporate from the water. You can add a little vitamin C in order to speed up the process. 1000-2000 mg of Vitamin C is enough to de-chlorinade 100 gallons of water so you dont need much.


EDIT: In the case of long term use, you might also want to invest in the most expensive form of MSM, which is distilled, as opposed to just being crystalized as the cheeper brands.

 

[Berdo tm1]

Senna leaf.

Thanks that is one id heard of but just thought it was a brand name for soemthing, but see its something different i hadnt tried.

Getting alot of good recomendaitons here guys thanks! alot of stuff i hadnt tried yet so im hoping this is going to increase my 'hemmeroid game' as well!

Hmm this senna stuff seems rare tho...nothing on ebay! ok found some...

I see its a stimulant laxative so this is no good for daily use right? i read stimulant laxatives will interfere with nromal bowel function if taken regular so should be avoided is this correct?

Hmm it says its also been foudn to maybe be hepatotoxic, think ill give that one a miss. Looking for ones i can use daily indefinitely to add to the 'bowel stack'.

 

[Kilfer]

Thanks that is one id heard of but just thought it was a brand name for soemthing,

The most common brand name in the US and Canada is Euro Senna. They look like supplement type pills but they nonetheless require a prescription and are a bit expensive if your health plan doesn't cover it. Had it prescribed by my psychiatrist to deal with Demerol-induced constipation of the rock-hard variety and it cleared in less than 12 hours. Beats slipping on surgical gloves and pulling the 'boulders' out by hand but when push comes to shove...

 

[Jabberwocky]

The detox symptoms that I experienced was kind of like having a mild case of the flu.
I felt tired, light headed/dizzy, minor headache, chills, increased sweating and my body also had a hard time controlling its temperature (or at least, thats how it felt like) as I felt cold one moment, and too hot the next.
This happens because the MSM "opens" up your cells so that toxins (pesticide metabolites), heavy metals and such can be released and flushed out of the systems.
These things dont give you any symptoms when stored in the cells but once they are releashed as free radicals, when they can produce a range of symptoms, know as "detox symptoms" and those symptoms are not exclusive to MSM but happens to some degree with all detox protocols that actually works.

In order to keep the side effects down (done right, you wont get any) you should increase your MSM intake in a slow fashion and also remember to help your body remove those toxins, which are now floating free in your body.
The way to do this is by drinking more water than usual, avoid constipation and through sweating, be it by exercise or going to the sauna.

 

[banana king 84]

They have senna tea that's not prescription, Ballerina is a popular brand they sell at Asian food stores. Also prune juice no one's mentioned.

 

[Berdo tm1]

um are you sure that isnt jsut withdrawals that you mention?

The detox symptoms that I experienced was kind of like having a mild case of the flu.
I felt tired, light headed/dizzy, minor headache, chills, increased sweating and my body also had a hard time controlling its temperature (or at least, thats how it felt like) as I felt cold one moment, and too hot the next.
This happens because the MSM "opens" up your cells so that toxins (pesticide metabolites), heavy metals and such can be released and flushed out of the systems.
These things dont give you any symptoms when stored in the cells but once they are releashed as free radicals, when they can produce a range of symptoms, know as "detox symptoms" and those symptoms are not exclusive to MSM but happens to some degree with all detox protocols that actually works.

In order to keep the side effects down (done right, you wont get any) you should increase your MSM intake in a slow fashion and also remember to help your body remove those toxins, which are now floating free in your body.
The way to do this is by drinking more water than usual, avoid constipation and through sweating, be it by exercise or going to the sauna.

 

[Berdo tm1]

They have senna tea that's not prescription, Ballerina is a popular brand they sell at Asian food stores. Also prune juice no one's mentioned.

Ye forgot to say ive been taking that alot for the hemmy, however i had to go from 3 cups a day to 1 because above that it makes me feel ill. felt like my stomach/bowels w/e were having a party all the time and loads of gas. gas i dont mind really but it was getting very uncomfortable that my gut felt like it was contracting so much all the time. i even felt dizzy from it when i was on 3 cups, strong stuff. I dont know that one cup does too much tho but any more and the side effects are too irritating. i guess the one glass is doing something. good as part of the overall.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yeah, it had nothing to do with withdrawal.
I only get withdrawal symptoms from nicotine and Cannabis, and I use both enough so that I dont get any symptoms.