How do I make mushroom tea and how to time a hippyflip?

[Lunchboxor]

Well Ive read several different ways to make teas, with differing reasons on making them a specific way.

Ive read turn the mush into dust/shake and pour 3cups of boiling water on top of it per person drinking it.
Ive heard that boiling water may destroy the active ingrediant.

Ive read to do three different batches of boiling water on mush thats not chopped and drink each.

Ive read to not use boiling water, instead use water very hot to the touch (150f range) with shake.

Which is the way that will lead me to the most potency? im guessing crushed mush, unsure of water since ive read conflicting things.


And with the hippy flip id like to make the two peaks coincide with eachother. My plan was this, on an empty stomach btw.


Piracetam and other supps day before
attack dose -2:00hr pirace 2400mg &vitc
tums dose at -0:10 min (I have acid reflux and ulcers, very acidic stomach acid, on an empty stomach its a must do for me, I never hurl, only get heartburn)


Take shrooms 3g ginger tea
time 0:00
come up - 40 min

take .25 mdma bombed
time 0:45 latest
come up - 30 min

take .1 mdma through insuff
time 1:20
come up - immidate


Is this the best way to combine the two peaks at once?

 

[Solipsis]

See my signature below? Please check the Psychedelic Index, it is also listed in the sticky threads at the top of the PD main page.
If you're unsure how to get around, take a look at the Beginners FAQ for tips. But for example about mushroom tea, check the psychedelic index, find the link to the psilocybin mushrooms thread there, and in that threads OP there is a link to the 'mushroom tea subthread', so you see its like a tree-branched menu.
There is also a link in the psilocybin mushroom threads OP to the hippyflip thread.

I encourage you to ask your questions in the appropriate threads instead of new ones, but that doesn't mean I'm too bummed to say a few things about your questions right now.

Mushroom tea: yes the active compounds are sensitive to heat but it's tricky to say how fast they break down at what temperatures. Usually mushroom tea gives a slightly weaker effect that may either be ascribed to this degradation or to the fact that some people don't eat the mushroom tissue itself after drinking the tea and some alkaloids may have been left behind. The latter explanation seems like a lesser one.
Teas like green tea are usually said to be good to let soak after letting boiling water cool down for 3 minutes. I think your idea of letting it cool to 'hot to the touch' is also great but it sounds a bit vague. On the other hand I have no sure way to say that 3 minutes is enough time to wait for mushrooms to be put into hot water. What I do think however is that it's better to wait a little longer until the water cooled down and then letting the mushrooms soak for an extra while longer to compensate than to dump them into very hot water briefly. Anyway it's not exact science so just try to see what feels right and I'm sure you will do fine.

Crushing mushrooms is smart, the more exposed surface there is to extract the better it will go. This is a general principle of extraction and it is true for most other things as well, except for compounds that are so fragile that they will break down or release fragrance if you grind it too fine. But mushrooms are good to grind to bits. Preferably just before making the tea. Unless you have something like an electric coffee grinder it's actually hard to make it into dust IME, you will probably be left with pieces like 1/4" which is absolutely fine. I mean: tea is often like that as well!

Timing a hippyflip: well it's a matter of taste I guess, although in terms of sequence the grand majority of people will take the psychedelic first and then the MDMA later as is proven in a poll already. The reason should be evident: you do not want to come down from the MDMA while still tripping. Whether you want to overlap peaks or not however is more a matter of personal preference. You risk more positive wild outcomes but also more negative ones, in other words you increase the chance of unexpected results. Generally I would say if you are not a very experienced well seasoned tripper it is the more wise choice to take one drug, wait for it to stabilize and then taking the other one. You can try to adjust the timing to account for the onset period, which is the time to wait BEFORE you come up. However expect something like MDMA to hit soon rather than late, otherwise you might come up ahead of schedule which can take you by surprise. And that surprise can again have unexpected results whether good or bad.

Your proposed schedule doesn't seem all that bad but I would wait slightly longer myself with the MDMA, to get a chance to get used to the mushrooms. Waiting until your entire peak is over would be overcautious and you could miss out on some magic. I'd say make the time to wait in between more something like 1:15h.

I find the MDMA dose really on the high side, I don't know where you live - in many regions in the world the actual purity of MDMA is not as high as people think, a few exceptions being places like the Netherlands where you can get it lab tested. So maybe the dose is in reality not as high as you list it. Maybe you are a hardhead or have a high tolerance, for your sake I hope that is not the case.
So I'd say in combinations like this you should always lower the dose of MDMA because there is a synergy that compensates for it. So no need to fear that it will be too weak. Otherwise you'd probably really roll balls so heavily that it's hardly fun anymore. I know that sounds impossible to some people but I'd make my first MDMA dose not higher than 100-150 myself and also make sure not to wait too long until dropping another 100 if you even insist on doing that, because if the first MDMA peak has passed it's harder to maintain the serotonergic activity and it will be more speedy.

 

[Lunchboxor]

Bookmarked the psyche index, and will keep in mind next time, thanks.

As for the tea, I have a good idea what im going to do now, and I was planning on eating the leftovers of the tea aswell, just because cash isnt the thing thats an overabundance on my end.

Im in the NY area, and alot of our drugs around here are often "watered down". I know my source to the extent where I know he cut it somewhat, and he generally uses about .1-.2 of caffiene into every gram of molly. Ive helped him do that job lol. But also, in my first uses of mdma, I kinda abused it, and made my tolerance go up almost permantly. Six times in about ten weeks, last years june to last august about. After that Ive waited five to three months for each mdma ride, and have had seriously diminished results. Even after five months, and the same batch of molly that I saved from my last, most memorable roll before that had me feeling OK. So I tend to dose a little higher when it comes to molly if I choose to use. My general rule of thumb is to only dose twice, and not to dose more then .4 in a single night. (where .4 of this ends up being really .25-.3 of mdma)

Considering, I will probably end up doing my bump up dose a little ealier then what I wrote. Most likely in the middle of the comeup to maximize the effect. 1hr for inital mdma drop is where ill most likely end up putting myself. I tend to enjoy a heavier mdma roll then a heavier shroom trip, so too much mdma isnt an exact concern for me, as long as I stick to my rule of thumb. Besides the fact im saving some of my mdma for a future candyflip.

Just one more question about the tea though, do I have the shroom tea ground up just sitting inside the cup im putting it in, and is three cups too much for a single person, three cups, tbh, sounds like alot of shroom tea to swallow lol. I was thinking more like a cup and a half for each 3g.

 

[Devourer]

I've once read about, and heard it from a few different people, so dont quote me 100% on it, maybe you can look it up and see if it's plausable.

But as far at it goes you want to use a high concentrate lemon juice with the crushed mush, and at this point it should suspend the alkaloids in the highly acidic lemon juice, resulting in something you can add to a tea/drink or turn into lemonade, or even popsicles if you're inventive enough.

Also something not to take me up on 100% but I've heard the result is very nice as it converts the psilocybin into psilocin for you.




As far as shroom tea goes, yeah you DO NOT want boiling water, even with a hot enough water to do the trick you are still probably going to lose a fair share of it, but on the other hand it'll kick in much quicker.

 

[Lunchboxor]

I just read a really good thread on the lemon juice, and that looks like the way im gonna go, with 2g of mush. Everything seems to be saying that it potentiates it ALOT. Anyone else have any comments on the lemon juice method?

 

[Devourer]

Well hey! glad I could help, hahah.


I've yet to try it myself but I've wanted to for a while.

 

[slimvictor]

Solipsis's answer is excellent!
But to add something: boiling water apparently destroys psilocybin. Therefore, I always used just-under-boiling water to make mushroom tea.
Like, around 200 degrees F.
I let the mushrooms soak in said water for around 5 minutes, then did it again in another cup. Then, a third time.
Finally, I rinsed the mushrooms in cool water for a brief second to wash out any valuable tea left inside.
The mushrooms are like little sponges, so you want to rinse out the good stuff at the end.
I always was very successful with this method without eating the shrooms.
Never noticed getting less effect than eating straight, so I believe that I managed to extract all of the goodies inside.

 

[Solipsis]

Good idea about the lemon tek, and also about extracting (steeping) thrice. It is indeed a rule of extraction that if you do it three times with a limited volume of liquid that is better than doing it once with all the liquid. You wanna maximize the extract concentration up to the point of solubility saturation so if you want to limit your resulting volume... cover the mushrooms with enough warm/hot water to just cover them and slush and mush the stuff a little, then strain thoroughly like push all the liquid out as much as you can without burning your fingers of course. Then repeat 2 more times. If that necessarily amounts to like 2 cups of tea then so be it. Suck it up and gulp it down, but not extremely fast with the idea of wanting to get it over with because you don't want to upset your stomach and gag.

The ginger is also a good idea for the stomach, good thinking.

After drinking it down yes you can eat the leftover mush mush (hee hee), but if the reason you are making tea at all is because you have a somewhat weak stomach then it can very well be counterproductive to end up eating it all anyway. In that case just skip it and cut your losses, it will be fine.

Sounds like you know your way around the kind of molly you get in your scene, consider not abusing it like that - you will thank yourself in the end for it.

 

[Ds]

im trppin mad balls

but hey shroom tea is gross man, we always did the shroom-aid deal and used koolaid. shit would look the same color regardless lol. we always used fresh field mushies.. like a good 12-15caps n a brew stems n all. had a good yeild. still tastes like shit lol
if anyone has an idea to make mushies taste better plz let me kno to!

 

[Lunchboxor]

Tea deffintly isnt going to be my way of doing shrooms, ive read so much good stuff about powdering and lemon tek that I cant not try it lol. If 2g gives me the effect of more, ill be estatic. If not, im still hippyflippin, so it wont be so much of a disapoint.