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I see this a lot when I look into lineage. For example, Sugar Cane is crossed with 2 heavy indicas; Platinum and Slurricane. However, some dispensaries breed strains differently. At mine, it's Banana OG, Gorilla Glue #4 and Gelatto #33, all Indica dominant, yet it's still classified as a Sativa. I get that it could be literally 51% Sativa and 49% Indica and it would still just say "Sativa" on the bag because a lot of dispos do that.

There's a brand of live rosin pens that I'm not sure I'm allowed to mention that has their Sugar Cane cut with the Banana OG blend, but they also have the bud at that dispensary. Either way, this isn't about effects (they do have a difference for me personally), rather, how the hell 2 or 3 Indica dominant plants could create a Sativa dominant. Is it the mixture of terpenes that creates suddenly an entirely different plant? Does it as a result grow taller? This is something I've wondered about for awhile, because some strains might have Sativa or Indica dominant variants even with the same genetics basically.

I don't know much if anything about growing or cloning or any of that, so if someone else knows the answer to this question, that'd quench my curiosity. The short answer could be that they're simply wrong lol.
 
marketing, and plain old bullshit.

our favorite "sativas" (like jack herer [rhymes with 'terror'], the dutch haze hybrids like ssh) are half northern lights. i think jack has some skunk. and none of them do the clear minded, productive daytime sativa thing, ime. closest "sativa" modern hybrid i've had that does that is chocolope, which has a mystery lineage (but i think it's related to the dutch haze hybrids, and is not close to a pure haze, but i like) and is still very hybridy in its foggyness... just less so. and not violently introspective like jack tends to be.

if you want a real tropical sativa, or a real heirloom indica for that matter, you've gotta grow it yourself or know someone. iirc, there are a few places around (in the u.s.) that do sell small batch connoisseur flower using exotic genetics, but i certainly don't live anywhere near that shit. we have cookies, cookies, oh and more cookies.
 
Well, in terms of Sativas I usually try to go with something that's 80-100%. Super Silver Haze is definitely a very energizing strain for me. Jack Herer seems to depend on the cut, because I'm pretty sure I've seen some 80% of that. On that note, how exactly is that calculated; height of the plant? But yeah I don't typically feel any giddiness unless it's something 70% Sativa or higher.

I can definitely tell smoking straight Durban Poison vs. Northern Lights, both landrace that they affect me completely different. One makes me giddy, the other gets me so stoned with an amazing body high. I like pure indica more than indica dominant hybrids or 50/50s, which like everything in a dispensary these days is. Nobody wants to grow tall plants or some of them don't have the room, I guess? Genuine Sativas I only come across at one specific dispensary I know of, and you can really tell with how the buds are too.
 
@JackARoe

a lot of the bullshit started in the dutch seed trade in the 80s and 90s.

from what i understand, there was a lot of stealing and renaming of strains.

this kinda stuff happens whenever money is involved i guess... idk, cause i don't have any.

my favorite weed renaming story is when "electric boogaloo" was brought from one region of the u.s. to another (ie from colorado to pnw or something), it became known as "dogshit". (some kinda dutch nl x haze?)

dogshit is still well sought after. i think nspecta has a cut of it, or something named "dogshit". wish i had some of that money i hear about, he has some dogshit x panama red beans that i want.

and that's another thing (some of us talked about this recently in another thread)

about the whole sativa v indica thing...

panama red is considered narcotic, even though it's a sativa... and i've read about heart thumping, edge- of- seat, anxiety inducing afghani landrace/ heirloom genes.

it's a spectrum, and it depends on who you ask... some might only think of like oldtimer's haze or a pure laos landrace etc as a true sativa and everything else is a hybrid or indica.
 
BourbonMac said:
how exactly is that calculated; height of the plant?
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i guess it's how much of the stalk they pull out of their ass.

the way i've seen it at dispensaries is if ppl report it to have up fx, they call it a sativa. if ppl say it puts them to sleep or medicates them, it's a hybrid or indica i guess.

seriously, other than that i've seen them call shit just whatever they feel like.

i always try to look at lineage (seedfinder is the best tool besides independent online research) and then use my preferred terp layout as a guide from there.


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Nobody wants to grow tall plants or some of them don't have the room, I guess?
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definitely. that and the length of time it takes.

some sativas really produce... a LOT of very larfy (albeit can be top shelf and resinous) buds, and might take 100 days to flower... if they even ever stop producing new buds with fresh resin.
some 100% thai and colombian strains have been known to just never stop flowering. there's a pheno from zamal? new caledonia? some indian ocean island i think, the guy(s) i've seen grow it indoors have called it the "kraken" iirc.

commercial growers like dense buds that finish in 9 weeks. (the unicorn... a short, stout single cola plant with hardly any leaf... handicapped with resin that smells like fruit, incense, armpit and peach cobbler... gets you higher than when a gorilla uppercuts you in the nuts, and finishes in 8 weeks from seed. and can produce 10 pounds per plant in a forest glade with 5 hours of sunlight)
 
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Well, in terms of Sativas I usually try to go with something that's 80-100%. Super Silver Haze is definitely a very energizing strain for me. Jack Herer seems to depend on the cut, because I'm pretty sure I've seen some 80% of that. On that note, how exactly is that calculated; height of the plant? But yeah I don't typically feel any giddiness unless it's something 70% Sativa or higher.

I can definitely tell smoking straight Durban Poison vs. Northern Lights, both landrace that they affect me completely different. One makes me giddy, the other gets me so stoned with an amazing body high. I like pure indica more than indica dominant hybrids or 50/50s, which like everything in a dispensary these days is. Nobody wants to grow tall plants or some of them don't have the room, I guess? Genuine Sativas I only come across at one specific dispensary I know of, and you can really tell with how the buds are too.
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Ya my fav sativa strains are African landraces and my fav indica strains are landraces to. Ive gotten Durban poison and red congo here on the illegal market and Malawi on the legal market. Also Acapulco gold and Maui wowie. Big difference between those and norther lights or hindu kush
 
nepalnt21 said:
@JackARoe

a lot of the bullshit started in the dutch seed trade in the 80s and 90s.

from what i understand, there was a lot of stealing and renaming of strains.

this kinda stuff happens whenever money is involved i guess... idk, cause i don't have any.

my favorite weed renaming story is when "electric boogaloo" was brought from one region of the u.s. to another (ie from colorado to pnw or something), it became known as "dogshit". (some kinda dutch nl x haze?)

dogshit is still well sought after. i think nspecta has a cut of it, or something named "dogshit". wish i had some of that money i hear about, he has some dogshit x panama red beans that i want.

and that's another thing (some of us talked about this recently in another thread)

about the whole sativa v indica thing...

panama red is considered narcotic, even though it's a sativa... and i've read about heart thumping, edge- of- seat, anxiety inducing afghani landrace/ heirloom genes.

it's a spectrum, and it depends on who you ask... some might only think of like oldtimer's haze or a pure laos landrace etc as a true sativa and everything else is a hybrid or indica.
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Everyone has their own endocannabinoid system, so THC will affect them differently. I know people where the strain doesn't matter and they just always get stoned no matter what. Placebo or not, Sativas like Sour Diesel do seem to make some people paranoid or hyper. Definitely hyper for me, with euphoria and dancing. Some strains of weed feel like an entirely different drug IME. Cali Pineapple Express a friend of mine got last year put me on pluto, but I did milk the bong ridiculously.

So either, Indica or Sativa *can* be a different high depending on the person, and the terps? I have a Sour Amnesia live rosin cart that gets me stoned as hell, but that's still not really like flower. Those GC live rosin pens have a unique high.

I suppose it's also possible that if there's a shit ton of THC, it might not matter regardless lol. That's overpowering anything else. Any flower in the 30-35% range will get me destroyed for as long as edibles regardless of what it is. Although Blue Dream Blowfish, a headier Blue Dream I smoked recently was 30% and I felt the strong giddiness and such (wasn't expecting it either, it got me a lot higher than I thought it would)
 
lemme put it this way... sour diesel puts me to sleep. and i know others consider it to have sativa fx for them, so it's a me thing.

and then whatever the fuck "amherst" sour diesel is, that shit makes me anxious and depressed, and the budtender said someone else said the same damn thing... so wtf lol

i'd have to try regular sour diesel (although which cut? lol that's another thing... maybe the 'east coast sd' cut is sour diesel to you, and then i only know the notsodog sour diesel and we could just be experiencing different sour diesels) again now tho... cause i been puffin on strong "indica" leaning hybrids recently so maybe i'd be used to sour diesel's heaviness on me and then the high can cut through?

fuck, i have to go to work today :(
 
Well a shop could differentiate between the three Sativa, Indica or Hybrid.
But as former Skunk 'addict' [indica or hybrid], which gets you stoned.
I also buy CBD weed which doesn t but tastes good, but Indica or Sativa ?

My preference Sativa i love high, but Amnesia a Sativa. Is in effect more like a Skunk. Stoned couch lock.

My other preference Terpenes, always looking for that Red Libanon taste. In hazes, but never guarented.
The recent earthy additions first was weird 'Kush'. But later knowing its the Terpene liked it to,
behaved as a Indica.

So 2-nd are all the fruity, ice, pie and candy tastes. Must be some kid left in me still.
 
nepalnt21 said:
lemme put it this way... sour diesel puts me to sleep. and i know others consider it to have sativa fx for them, so it's a me thing.

and then whatever the fuck "amherst" sour diesel is, that shit makes me anxious and depressed, and the budtender said someone else said the same damn thing... so wtf lol

i'd have to try regular sour diesel (although which cut? lol that's another thing... maybe the 'east coast sd' cut is sour diesel to you, and then i only know the notsodog sour diesel and we could just be experiencing different sour diesels) again now tho... cause i been puffin on strong "indica" leaning hybrids recently so maybe i'd be used to sour diesel's heaviness on me and then the high can cut through?

fuck, i have to go to work today :(
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I used to get anxious and depressed too, but one day that all went away and now my worries melt away. Sour Diesel I will admit is a bit too strong to me. Every time I'd smoke it I'd be half tweaking, I'd always have to smoke something to balance out. Many cuts of Sour are around 90% Sativa, I think 80% is my magic number in general. But I also like haze strains in particular, and Sour doesn't have any haze in its lineage. So Sativa strains that are something crossed with haze tend to be my favorite and most euphoric.
 
i love me some nice strong sativas, like the malawi crosses from ace... but lately, my anxiety has been through the roof, and i've been finding indicas to be more to my liking during the day as a functional stone... what normally might put me to sleep (as long as i don't overdo it), now my anxiety pushes right through the heaviness... and a couple i even find them psychededelic in a way, kinda like how dissociatives are but in the weed way.
 
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