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hippies and amphetamines?

susurration

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Forgive the pop culture question, if you would, but in the movie The Men Who Stare At Goats, we have this hippie-ish outfit in the military (I understand much of this is "based on fact") call the New Earth Army in the 60's. Jeff Bridges' character, after experiencing a vision during combat, seeks out the counterculture to learn what they know.

Skip to a training montage, and Bridges' character is using a pointer at a chalkboard talking about the NEE regimen - the script reports the full instruction as ""Before going into Battle the JEDI utilizes A) Yogic Cat Stretch. B) Primal scream and leap. C) Belgian waffle. D) Ginseng E) Amphetamines.""

This surprised me. The classics I tend to think of in association with hippies are LSD (of course), psilocybin, now maybe DMT, etc. Hallucinogens. Where did amphetamines fit into hippie culture? What was the interpretation around their use?

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Bob Dylan wrote the song around 1965, "Just like a woman" which contains the lyrics,

"Queen Mary, she's my friend
Yes, I believe I'll go see her again
Nobody has to guess
That Baby can't be blessed
Till she finally sees that she's like all the rest
With her fog, her amphetamine and her pearls
She takes just like a woman, yes she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes she does
And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl."

Don't know if this says anything other than amphetamines were visible in the pop culture at this time...
 
"Speed" as it was called in those days was seen as a blight on the hippie culture in San Francisco. The Hell's Angels controlled most of the sales and the addicts were often homeless hard-asses who robbed and killed peace-loving hippies. (Charles Manson's family of killers were on speed the night of the Tate/LaBianca murders).

Amphetamines have always been used in the military and were absolutely huge during WWII. Pervitin (meth) was big in Germany; Japanese kamikazes were often hopped up on speed during suicide missions and American soldiers had their amphetamine tablets. It's still used to this day by Air Force pilots during long flights.

The history of amphetamines is pretty goddamn sketchy/interesting. Good thing we only prescribe them to hyper kids these days!

/sarcasm
 
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"Speed" as it was called in those days was seen as a blight on the hippie culture in San Francisco. The Hell's Angels controlled most of the sales and the addicts were often homeless hard-asses who robbed and killed peace-loving hippies. (Charles Manson's family of killers were on speed the night of the Tate/LaBianca murders).

Amphetamines have always been used in the military and were absolutely huge during WWII. Pervitin (meth) was big in Germany; Japanese kamikazes were often hopped up on speed during suicide missions and American soldiers had their amphetamine tablets. It's still used to this day by Air Force pilots during long flights.

The history of amphetamines is pretty goddamn sketchy/interesting. Good thing we only prescribe them to hyper kids these days!

/sarcasm

Very well said.

In my personal experience, speed/amphetamines/meth/coke/bathsalts are all what I consider 'real-world' drugs. As in that they lock you into a mind-set that keeps you focused on the 'here & now'.

From practical research I have found these compounds to be more 'sobering' than any others....meaning, if you are high/drunk and take a dose of this class of drug it will effectively clear your head, making you think/appear more sober.

Honestly not my bag-of-tea but many people in my home-town find this thread of molecules their favorite....could never understand it because all the effects are sleep and hunger suppression.

Tried meth once, and will never do it again, unless there is some kind of apocalypse - no sleep and no hunger can be useful in times of strife.

Otherwise this class of drugs only seem to take away two of the most naturally pleasurable things in my sober-life (food & sleep).
 
indeed they are more sobering and there's no question that amphetamines were highly abused in those days, i think for many people they just thought psychedelics were about and thought speed/heroin junkies were alien to them.

^that's why they are good for, cleaning your house, studying, fixing your car, staying on bluelight for hours for no reason and taking apart your lamp and putting it back together again and all sorts of fun stuff. Food/sleep are overrated IMO, if i could never sleep again i never would, fucking waste of time.

for more info look at the methamphetamine page on wikipedia it's so damn interesting how long methamp has been in use. If three's one thing this world loves, corporate or hippy, it's fucking good speed.
 
In my personal experience, speed/amphetamines/meth/coke/bathsalts are all what I consider 'real-world' drugs. As in that they lock you into a mind-set that keeps you focused on the 'here & now'. Otherwise this class of drugs only seem to take away two of the most naturally pleasurable things in my sober-life (food & sleep).

I agree with my experience with all similar stimulants. It's all in the dosing. A small dose can make you feel confident, aggressive, and energetic in a way that seems and feels completel natural. It also makes you feel invulerable or invincible in some way.

Too much, or used too many days, will make you hyper-sensitive to reality in a way that freaks you out and make you tune out of reality, which completely freaks you out in that state.

If people only did a moderate amount of it like once a month it might be okay. How you use it completely switches the board. Because of this I think it's so dangerous it shouldn't even be made but I guess it has its value (as a war chemical for men who'll die anyway).
 
indeed they are more sobering and there's no question that amphetamines were highly abused in those days, i think for many people they just thought psychedelics were about and thought speed/heroin junkies were alien to them.

^that's why they are good for, cleaning your house, studying, fixing your car, staying on bluelight for hours for no reason and taking apart your lamp and putting it back together again and all sorts of fun stuff. Food/sleep are overrated IMO, if i could never sleep again i never would, fucking waste of time.

for more info look at the methamphetamine page on wikipedia it's so damn interesting how long methamp has been in use. If three's one thing this world loves, corporate or hippy, it's fucking good speed.
i agree fuck sleep. I have insomnia and whenever i wake up i feel alieneted and lethargic. But at the same time stims lots there appeal to me. Downers ftw
 
There's plenty of "hippies" that used heroin, speed, cocaine etc. There's some who stuck with psychedelics and pot, and there's everything in between that...

IME, a lot of people who grew their hair out, experimented with drugs, were into music and grew up in the sixties consider themselves hippies....And there were millions of people that fit that description back then...Were all these people "true hippies"? Is it even a valid term to use?

The discussion about what would make someone a real a hippie and what would exclude someone from that is an annoying discussion that would just generate a huge argument....

There were some people that dropped everything they were doing and devoted themselves to being part of this "cultural revolution", whether it was hardcore political activism, wandering around meeting up with like minded people and just trying to experience something new, or going in the woods and living on a commune....

I think the original, true "hippies" were the people who happened to be living in certain parts of California and happened to be in certain social circles where LSD was distributed....and maybe everyone who showed up there and became a part of that group until maybe '66 or somewhere along those lines(don't have a timeline in my head memorized)...If anyone could be considered the "true hippies" that's who I would consider it to be....not that that makes them better than anyone who came after or who never really completely dropped out...but I would consider the original '60s hippies to be a fairly small group....

There were pockets of people everywhere in the US and Europe by the late '60s early '70s living out all sorts of variations of the "cultural revolution" that you could call hippies also....And they were just as varied in how they lived and dressed and acted and what drugs they took as anybody is....

the original hippie movement in California looked down on hard drugs, that was the party line...but that doesn't mean their weren't a lot of them that were playing around with them...or eventually even got into them going forward...

My uncle was a Vietnam vet who saw combat...had severe PTSD and eventually committed suicide years later....He had long hair, believed in reincarnation...smoked pot, used heroin at times, stayed close to his friends that fought in Vietnam too, but I wouldn't really consider him a hippy...

I think most of the books about the sixties just re-hash the same shit with the same characters over and over and over....The musical aspect of it as well...how many years after their death are John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix gonna be on the cover of Rolling Stone and other magazines....

I think at this point, "the '60s" have actually been made smaller in peoples minds than it actually was....It was a really fucking complicated era!

But yeah, some hippies did take speed....Shit, bikers definitely took it, but they took LSD and drank and did everything else too, but they're not really hippies!


When I think of hippies now, I think of spirituality and vegetarianism, kindly old college professor types who live these amazingly enlightened lives....trying to share knowledge and make the world a better place to live, but that version of "hippy" wouldn't be caught dead doing speed!

It's a confusing topic, definitely...
 
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