heroin relaspe

[polo792]

Hey all. Recently I relapsed again on smack, it's not a big habit. Bout 2pt a day for one month with one or 2 days off. Just wondering if the wd would be bad, I have vals to help and today I got some ice to take the edge off. Any advice? ?

 

[footscrazy]

I reckon it's so hard to tell what your wd will be like...sometimes it seems like you get off really easy, other times you're hit hard even when you don't think you've gone too nuts. I think a big factor is how long before this relapse did you last have a habit...the longer it was, the better you'll probably be now. But having had a habit in the past is usually going to mean you'll be more inclined to adapt to a physical dependence quickly.

I suppose the only way thing to do is just go for it...you can get through it. There's several things you can use to try and take the edge of wd's - some people swear by loperamide, but I've always found therapeutic doses of dxm more effective - just 20mls or so. The vallies should help too. I did find that a dose of sub really helped when I was feeling terrible - and it seems to help you ride it out - after that I never fell back into those really strong, unbearable wd's. Good luck.

 

[Crankinit]

How on earth is ice going to take the edge off H w/d :/ Meth is the last thing I'd want when hanging out, the vals should be useful though.

As Foots said, the severity of your w/d will vary depending on how long it's been since you've had a habit (as well as how large that habit was and how many times you've had a habit you've detoxed off). There's no way to calculate the drop, you just have to make the jump and hope for the best, if getting your hands on some suboxone or methadone for a taper isn't an option.

I'd give the meds mentioned above a shot (or K in the place of DXM if you can get it), and possibly clonidine could also be helpful.

 

[Captain Brewster]

^ also being mindful that DXM and ketamine are addictive in their own way. So be careful.

Use them wisely if you choose to use them at all.

Have you tried a rapid bupe taper?

Methamp might take the edge off whilst high on the meth, well, for a little while (as in, not worth it). But you'll regret the comedown and turn 'back to the ol ways'.

Benzos where a god send for my detox. But, same again, addictive as all hell, so tread very carefully with them. Long acting ones (like the Diaz you mentioned) would be better than short acting benzos.

 

[ld50 vs ssri]

Hey all. Recently I relapsed again on smack, it's not a big habit. Bout 2pt a day for one month with one or 2 days off. Just wondering if the wd would be bad, I have vals to help and today I got some ice to take the edge off. Any advice? ?

Your a fuckin idiot mate, no offence. Your suggesting a highly habitual dependent way of being. I don't use opiates but it doesn't take einstein to work out that a relapse on opiates sounds highly unlikely, I haven't put in the hard yards with opiates so it's kind of hard to justify however the fact you couple benzos with the additional methamphetamine to take the edge of is stupid at best. So you mean you to suggest you wish to use the "ice" first followed by a benzo to take the edge of, then tail end it with 6 hrs of an endorphin opiate release rush? That would be a far more substantial way of using those drugs safely with less side effects and nasty pastys.

The order in which you said each compound should be fairly noted as you probably mean well but saying that to a well educated user of all 3 substances he would clearly or imo most likey say the order i suggested with a hopefull "no replapse" at all. When you say relapse do you attribute this to the benzo's sounding the alarms telling you you need a benzo and quickly or do you attribute this solely to heroin itself and what entails heroin use overall?

I highly recommend using them in the order i suggested should you need all 3 anyway or better yet replace the methamphetamine with cocaine instead and less of it. Meth obviously leads to x ammount of days awake and the heroin is known to do that to some people as well however it seems to make me sick and want to lay down in search for sleep.

Any way enough ranting, stay safe man. lose either one of the 3 and just have 2 of them first to work out how they synergise first up but don't forget the order and duration in which you used them in, it will be handy info should you choose to use a 3rd alternative mixed in with the first 2. hint hint (forget about the benzo's) that;s the moral of the story nobody needs benzos, if your going to be taking a downer/upper/stabilizer (not refering to mood) then you should really know what's ahead of you and except your reasons for searching for such drug combinations in the first place as all ok and all with in a mean neccasary that you can handle,

Becuase

if you are looking for escape then heroin is definantly a no go as over time it gets the better of your perception and as for the meth well if you believe too much into your thoughts and other peoples that will make you come unstuck pretty quick, just remember not to be paranoid as in forget about it. and the benzos well fuck em nobody needs them. modern day medicine trash.

Goodluck

 

[Crankinit]

Your a fuckin idiot mate, no offence. Your suggesting a highly habitual dependent way of being. I don't use opiates but it doesn't take einstein to work out that a relapse on opiates sounds highly unlikely, I haven't put in the hard yards with opiates so it's kind of hard to justify however the fact you couple benzos with the additional methamphetamine to take the edge of is stupid at best. So you mean you to suggest you wish to use the "ice" first followed by a benzo to take the edge of, then tail end it with 6 hrs of an endorphin opiate release rush? That would be a far more substantial way of using those drugs safely with less side effects and nasty pastys.

The order in which you said each compound should be fairly noted as you probably mean well but saying that to a well educated user of all 3 substances he would clearly or imo most likey say the order i suggested with a hopefull "no replapse" at all. When you say relapse do you attribute this to the benzo's sounding the alarms telling you you need a benzo and quickly or do you attribute this solely to heroin itself and what entails heroin use overall?

I highly recommend using them in the order i suggested should you need all 3 anyway or better yet replace the methamphetamine with cocaine instead and less of it. Meth obviously leads to x ammount of days awake and the heroin is known to do that to some people as well however it seems to make me sick and want to lay down in search for sleep.

Any way enough ranting, stay safe man. lose either one of the 3 and just have 2 of them first to work out how they synergise first up but don't forget the order and duration in which you used them in, it will be handy info should you choose to use a 3rd alternative mixed in with the first 2. hint hint (forget about the benzo's) that;s the moral of the story nobody needs benzos, if your going to be taking a downer/upper/stabilizer (not refering to mood) then you should really know what's ahead of you and except your reasons for searching for such drug combinations in the first place as all ok and all with in a mean neccasary that you can handle,

Becuase

if you are looking for escape then heroin is definantly a no go as over time it gets the better of your perception and as for the meth well if you believe too much into your thoughts and other peoples that will make you come unstuck pretty quick, just remember not to be paranoid as in forget about it. and the benzos well fuck em nobody needs them. modern day medicine trash.

Goodluck

I think you missed the point man, he's not planning on combining all 3 to get high, he's planning on taking the meth and benzos to help with heroin w/d's (although I still maintain that meth while in H w/d would be hellish - and possibly dangerous, given the combined increase in blood pressure).

 

[mostly-human]

I think you missed the point man, he's not planning on combining all 3 to get high, he's planning on taking the meth and benzos to help with heroin w/d's (although I still maintain that meth while in H w/d would be hellish - and possibly dangerous, given the combined increase in blood pressure).

I have no idea about the exact HR side of things and I doubt it's good HR (obviously) - that said, I can personally attest to (meth)amphetamines being a wonder drug for heroin WDs.. You can literally just stay high for the entire duration of acute WD symptoms and basically not even experience them, I've known others to do this as well.


That said - I don't take stimulants any more, haven't in many years and now - I couldn't imagine anything more nightmarish than encountering meth during WDs. BUT - and it's a big BUT - if meth is your thing, it might well do what you want it to, it has for me in the past and for many others.

So long as you're not the type to not handle (meth)amphetamine comedowns.. And you really need enough to be able to stay high for a few days, I'm not saying don't sleep for days.. but.. keep it in your system. If that's the plan.

Once again, probably terrible HR and whatnot - but I just want to say, for the sake of honesty - it does/can work. Anyone ever taken meth when they've had a cold? For the duration of the high you don't feel sick at all...

 

[spacejunk]

Fwiw I've heard of people getting through the pain of acute withdrawal using dopaminergic stims.
No, I don't know whether this is safe (hypertension issues etc)
No, I don't know if it would work (overwhelming some neurological action with another [to put it very crudely])
No, I wouldn't volunteer to try it out (on paper WDs + stims = no no no)

But....I've heard of people doing this. Can't remember if they were talking about methamphetamine, MDPV and the like - but I do remember a cocaine binge being nentioned.

I'm not encouraging anything - maybe have a look in the search engine , I'll try to find the thread in question later, when I'm not late for work

 

[Sowle]

Ive had exp wit using shabs to try and make it thru H WD and whilst I can see it being effective (kinda depends on peeps individual responses to meth tho - you know if ur the type to lose the plot/become crazy emotional during a binge) a pretty key point is trying to ensure that you have enough meth to cover the majority of the acute WD symptoms (benzos are a big help too). Coming down whilst still being in the thick of it can be a pretty detox-damaging event as they certainly compound the shittiness of each other.

 

[madmick19]

fastest way through a withdrawal process is to actually let it occur, sure there is going to be some discomfort but that is the indication that the withdrawal is working.
the other alternative is ask a gp or specialist addiction doc for a tapering dose of methadone of buprenorphine.
again it depends on your History, the "gold standard at the moment is methadone treatment; if you have had a long history of opioids it might be worthwhile looking at that option as it significantly reduces the risk if overdose if you relapse (related to upregulated or more sensitive receptor sites- if you do lapse or relapse after this remember to use half as much as you think you will need to reduce this risk)

treating drug dependences with other drugs is not the most effective way of adressing your primary opioid issue-

the MEGA THREAD is a good place to start
but to be honest tapering down your use- that is reducing overall daily amounts and frequency (less than 1-2 inj per day, prob around 1/4-1/8 gr day)to the least you can manage without climbing the walls
then put in the five days needed to get through it, but have a good relapse prevention plan for when you are not using.
this is a good introduction to many of the concepts
other things to do would be to speak to the local drug and alcohol service, what area are you in?

 

[oldirtybizza]

Meth apparently has equianalgesic efficiency to morphine (anyone who's had a meth bender will know that you can do things that usually would be hindered by pain), I don't doubt it could counter some of the withdrawl symptoms. Due to the distribution of opiate receptors in the body, pulmonary and gastrointestinal issues wouldn't get any relief as they do when tapering down.
Tweaking off my nut while coughing and shitting like crazy doesn't sound like a great time. For me these are the first things to play up when I'm coming off.

 

[Erikmen]

Hey all. Recently I relapsed again on smack, it's not a big habit. Bout 2pt a day for one month with one or 2 days off. Just wondering if the wd would be bad, I have vals to help and today I got some ice to take the edge off. Any advice? ?

I have an advice for you! Do that now so you don´t have much luggage later and you have more chances to succeed. W/As will pass eventually but this one will be the easier. I´m positive you don´t want to go through another one as it gets harder and the suffering just becomes giant..
Do it!
Good luck!!