Heroin Heroin Powder #4 - Powder left over after shot still gives me a rush?

[Ryouge]

Hello there all,

So, after using H for a while, I can't help but wonder....

The bindles I get usually weigh .1-.2, and I use a full 1CC of water for the whole bindle. I filter(cotton, going micron soon, which is why I am asking this question, for bulk preparation), and there is gunk that doesn't dissolve. now, usually I would throw this away, but one night I was fiending and there was still some left on a spoon....

Pew, pins and needles like a motherfucker. I realize it degrades into morphine, but why was there any shit left in my shot at all?

since then, I have after my initial shot, used another CC of water and shot again, and even a 3rd and 4th time, all getting a decent rush.

Is this something to do with the PH of my water? I'm using tap water?

I'm not looking for a guide, but any ideas?

Thanks guys!

 

[amapola]

The gunk is usually mostly inactive (or at least non-narcotic) filler. The pins and needles and rush of warmth could be an allergic reaction to the cut you are now shooting more of. Are you actually getting high afterwords? And if so is it comparable to an opiate high or just sick and feverish. Another option could be you don't have heroin freebase as that won't dissolve in water well and might be what is causing all of this.

Finally there is recrystallizing your dope. Basically the heroin may be caught up in pieces of the insoluble adulterant and isn't coming in contact with the liquid to dissolve. The solution to this is first and foremost to stir and mix it really well. The second option is to recrystallize it. This involves heating it up until all the particle matter go into solution, and then cooling it back down so the insoluble cut precipitates back out and the soluble heroin doesn't. You then filter again. It's important if you do the second one you realize that some dope might get damaged by the heat and that you have to let it cool back down again or it's going to be very bad for you.

Personally I think it is just a bad reaction to shooting water and bits of other crap into your veins.

I'll attach a picture of recrystallization I made up for another thread in a sec.

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[Ryouge]

Thanks!

Yes, I have shot the gunk that is left over the next day and I have gotten a nice rush, followed by a nice high. I have also been bumming off a friend who will do his initial shot and let me take the next 1-2.

I believe it has something to do with the second thing you are talking about.

My dudette I receive it from ALWAYS used to heat her dope, and I told her not to, but I just might have to give the whole heating and then cooling thing a try. I'm sure it's not AS safe because isn't it the case that not all of the cut/gunk will precipitate back out? I realize the role temperatures play on the things they can hold, as I used to frequent the Nexus, and have partaken in things discussed there, but isn't it true that it would lead to nastier shots?

However, this is good as if I get higher than I normally do(I will shoot slow), I will be able to micron filter alot.

I guess I've just been upset because even putting a second bindle on there, the shots end up the same strength, and I'm looking for more of an initial rush.

Thanks alot man!

 

[amapola]

I'm sure it's not AS safe because isn't it the case that not all of the cut/gunk will precipitate back out? I realize the role temperatures play on the things they can hold, as I used to frequent the Nexus, and have partaken in things discussed there, but isn't it true that it would lead to nastier shots?

No from a physical reaction stand point it would be just as safe and everything would precipitate back out. If however the heat causes a chemical reaction which results in compounds that are more soluble and/or more toxic it could indeed produce a nastier shot. Furthermore if you cool it quickly the crystals will be smaller which could be bad news for shoddy filters.

The reason people say cooking shots is not needed is because you still get the vast majority of your drugs from a cold shot (with quality gear and depending on the cut you get practically all of it), and if you have to wait an hour or so for it to cool back down a lot of people find themselves unable to do so. If they need their fix now and want as much as they can get out of it they will cook it and bang it.

A lot of people think they need to cook to activate it or sterilize it which is an incorrect myth promoted by hollywood. So if they ask do I need to cook it the answer is no and if someone mentions cooking it you can tell them they don't have to.

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Here's the wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recrystallization_(chemistry)

 

[Ryouge]

I might be picking up like 10 bags or so shortly. Now, if I usually use 1CC of water for a whole bag, am I now able to use say....a 5CC syringe and a micron filter to do all 10 of the bags, and then have the strength of 50 units be the same as 1CC normally was? Also, am I able to heat up the solution on a ladle so everything dissolves as you were saying, and THEN micron filter while still hot/warm to ensure that all heroin was dissolved in the water, and the micron filter will still take them out?

Or is it true that since they are solute at the time being in hot water, they will not be micron filtered out?

 

[amapola]

I might be picking up like 10 bags or so shortly. Now, if I usually use 1CC of water for a whole bag, am I now able to use say....a 5CC syringe and a micron filter to do all 10 of the bags, and then have the strength of 50 units be the same as 1CC normally was?

Yes.

Also, am I able to heat up the solution on a ladle so everything dissolves as you were saying, and THEN micron filter while still hot/warm to ensure that all heroin was dissolved in the water, and the micron filter will still take them out?

No you have to let it cool down as dissolved ions will fit through the filter. Only precipitated out crystals won't which is what you want.

Or is it true that since they are solute at the time being in hot water, they will not be micron filtered out?

Yeah anything in solution will not be filtered out. Diamorphine HCL will completely dissolve in cold water but anything that requires heat to dissolve (must be cut) may precipitate out at body temperature in your blood.

The number one rule is be sure you are filtering a cold solution.

 

[me9943]

another thing that may help you is to use less water... i mostly do 1-3 stamp bags at a time, and i find that a tenth of a cc per stampbag is mostly efficient. if im doing 1, i will only use .15-.20 cc. this isenough to dissolve all of the powder, and allows you to finish the injection quicker. theoretically, it should also provide a better rush, because the powder is not as diluted into the liquid, it gets into your bloodstream in a smaller and more concentrated dose.
be safe