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Heroin in pills??

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Just re-starting a thread, the Term 'smaky' gets used repeatedly by users of ecstasy , which often gives people the full gone conclusion that there is Heroin in Pills, and often you will find people openingly admit that there pill contained Heroin with out any knowledge or test results to support.

A friend of a friend of mine took a pill at one of the recent raves and it fucked him. Consistently vomitting , unconscious , had para meds taking care of him in which he was admitted to hospital. He had vomitted so much that he was starting to burn a hole in his stomach.
They managed to find the contents of the pill which was said to have had a combination of Heroin, PMA and Metamphetemine

I have also heard other stories where people have wound up in hospital from taking a pill which has had similar combinations. Whilst im not saying Heroin is the problem in these situations ,for anyone to say there is 'NO HEROIN' in pills is kidding themselves.

I do not like the term 'smaky' as I don't want to associate myself with my one off pill habbit with Heroin. I understand it can be a bit hard to be 'Politically Correct' when refering to the use of illicit substances.
www.ecstasydata.org (Search for Heroin)

When you are stepping over the line and decide to delve into the world of chemical induglence you can not rule out any possibility of the contents of your drugs. Test when you can, look at for your self and each other its as simple as that :)
 
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If you look at most replies regarding this subject on bluelight, you will probably notice that it people rarely state that there is NO heroin in pills, just that it is such a slim chance of it happening, that it's nothing to be concerned about, and even if you were to come across one, chances are you would not get any adverse effects from it, due to the small quantity that would be used in a pill.

The problem is that people often hear the term 'smacky' and immediately assume heroin is involved, which makes people think that heroin pills are a regualr occurance, when really, the chances are slim to none.

As for your friend, tough break, but as you said, it contained a mixture of Heroin and PMA, PMA on its own is extremely dangerous, i'm sure this combination couldn't have been too safe :\
 
You are absolutely right when you say that we cant say there is NO heroin in pills because it has been found VERY occassionally.

But...heroin is not very active when taken orally, so you will need a pill something like the size of a dinner plate for it to fuck you up. In all probability, the bad effects your "friend of a friend" felt were due to the PMA. And there's also the possibility he took more than one pill too.
 
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As for your friend, tough break, but as you said, it contained a mixture of Heroin and PMA, PMA on its own is extremely dangerous, i'm sure this combination couldn't have been too safe :\
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The heroin would not have had any effect in whatever amount it was present (I'm highly sceptical it was there at all).
It's not likely that heroin and PMA would be especially dangerous anyway, meth and PMA would be more of a worry due to overstimulation, leading to dehydration and hyperthermia.
 
I'm skeptical that Drs at a hospital would have any way of identifying the contents of a pill the person had taken. It might have been a 'suspected' indication based on the person's symptoms, added to some conjecture by the Dr in order to scare the patient?

BigTrancer :)
 
On a side note, why is that whenever people get undesirable effects from a pill, they presume it's heroin!
Never mind the little matter of it's low oral activity, ravers seem to think heroin makes you feel ill or something, It's ludicrous! Heroin can make you vomit upon administration, but it doesn't make you feel ill.
If by some miracle someone somehow managed to eat a pill that not only had heroin in it, but had enough for you to get stoned, if they weren't experience with opiates at all they'd probably think it was MDEA or something and be back getting another the next day, not running off to warn the world of these horrible evil pills (with brown flecks);)
 
That's another thing that gets me. Amatures will say that these pills smacked me out all night, or htat they were smacky, but how many people have actually had smack in order to compare the effects.
 
I heard Paul Dillon from NDARC (National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre) doing his regular spool on Radio JJJ sometime ago. He was talkin' about smacky pills and the quality of pills getting around Sydney.

He stated that out of all the pills seized by Australian Police, none had the opiate Heroin in them. They get all the results as far as I know. He also said that heroin taken orally is turned into morphine in our guts, before it enters our blood stream.

I've had heroin and never had that feeling by taking something sold to me as a party drug. I've also had many morphine pills, also never had that feeling when indulging in a party pill. Never had an opiate result when I've tested pills either.

To me when I hear the word smacky used to describe a pill, opiates don't even enter my mind.

Shulgins book PIHKAL has many drugs that give a downer effect. I don't know but maybe some of his 179 drugs in that book are around more than we think.
 
^Full on, there's enough bloody differences too, E dials you but smack pins you, E gives you a feeling of empathy but smack gives you a feeling of apathy. Smack doesn't make your jaw grind or your eyes wobble, in fact I can only think of one similarity between MDMA and smack, either one makes me happy just sitting on my ass doing absolutely nothing. =D
I prefer E's though, I was never a big fan of opiates, in fact the first time I used smack I was quite taken back by how unremarkable it was, despite the hype.
I mean it does feel nice, but before I'd had it I was expecting the best feeling in the world, but it only turned out to be well, nice.
MDMA on the other hand, that lived up to the hype completely, I couldn't believe a drug could make you feel empathy!
 
Yep I agree SteveElektro, actually if I want something to chill out on that makes me happy sitting on my ass (other than a phenethylamine of course), gimmie a benzo.

To me a xanax, a rohypnol, or a rivirol are much prefered than the opiates, although a smoke of some nice opium when I can get is very nice.
 
....if they weren't experience with opiates at all they'd probably think it was MDEA or something and .......
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Hehe, you should've read BL three years ago. Every second pill was reported as "oh man that must've had MDE in it man, I was so m0nged..." - everyone likes to know what they're getting and when a random pill hits them in a random way, if they can't explain it they begin to wrack their brains trying to think of suspect reasons. Unfortunately, subjective effects that are unfamiliar at the time represents about 0% of the information you need to identify a drug. So they pick a scapegoat chemical... like MDEA... or MDA... or heroin... or speed...

BigTrancer :)
 
^^Fully, remember when every pill was either 'coke based' or 'heroin based'?
You had to find out which one it was so you'd know whether you should snort it or shoot it ;)
Oh, and naturally, I had the best pills in Melbourne at the time, they were based on a book by John Grisham
 
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I'm pretty sceptical of what doctors tell people after they've been admitted for drug related issues.

There was a batch of White Butterflys doing the rounds in Sydney around about NYE 2001-02. They all tested up as MDxx (all the ones I tested myself and heard of being tested).

A bloke I know had one, and was hospitalised. Upon recovering, he was told that it was the OMO (yes, washing powder) in the pill he took which made him sick. Not the bottle of Hennessy he consumed prior to the pills...

I'm not saying it's impossible, but what are the chances?
 
note, i'm just playing the devil's advocate because i have *no idea* (i guess i'm just asking), but what kind of things act as binders? perhaps omo? it would not make sense to me that something like that would work, but i guess it *might* be possible? i guess we'll have to make sure the next reagant testers test for mdma, mda, amph, pma, ket and omo... ;)
 
^^^ possibly a good point :D me = stupid anyway, so it's all good!

although, maybe the doctor was one of those dodgy backyard omo chemists. ya know what they're like: always cutting their omo with speed and all kinds of shit. one time, my omo had heroin in it!!! 8o
 
no instrument in the scientific world will tell you from a blood sample that a person ate 100mg of omo washing detergent, if it wasnt absolutely specifically set up to detect precisely that. i bet. if someone proves me wrong I want to know how much it costs, and where to buy one.

BigTrancer :)
 
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