heroin and astral projection

[axl blaze]

drugs and astral projection

hey BL, it's been a while. I find myself here because I need your help.

sometimes I take H. I have a very high natural tolerance to opiates, so I rarely get to experience the divine feeling of nodding out, in the vernacular.

but those very rare times I do nod out, in the midst of nodding out I sometimes get the sensation that I am able to travel out of body, to the very near area of my surrounding. I am not talking about being able to travel to space nor Jupiter, but really just like upstairs in my apartment. I can see all the details of my apartment while doing so.

ok, this is where shit gets really weird. whenever I astrally project under the influence I also get the sensation that an ethereal apparatus, or maybe a ghost for lack of a better word, even though I really do not get ghost like vibes from this thing more just vibes of terror, as I am really really scared of this apparition when I astrally project. I always get the feeling of being chased back to my body by this thing, as I am fleeing in terror. I can never really get a good bead or read on this entity, most likely because I am always hauling ass away from it. maybe it is just a mass of blackness? anyways, this thing does not want me to astrally project....

so does anybody have any similar experiences? can anyone with a more spiritualist or occult background tell me what is going on? or am I just crazy?

I will say that despite how very real this feels I am still a bit skeptical that this is a supernatural occurence. it could just be sleep paralysis, or just all in my head. I like reading about the occult and paranormal, but I do not practice either because I am Christian of Eastern Orthodox faith and that is against the religion. is this apparition a demonic entity? sometimes I feel as if I am oppressed by a demon, and that is why I stupidly fall back to the false security of drugs...

since I have only accomplished this so called astral projection on accident and with the aid of drugs, I plan on perhaps trying to do this sober and on my own terms. since I have not experienced this for a while and I am curious to try this again.

sorry for syntax or grammar issues as I am typing this on my phone...

 

[Foreigner]

It might be a good idea to cast some kind of protection around your home. You can use any kind of spiritual symbology that resonates with you, like the cross. You can draw crosses in the air (or any other symbol) using your hands, on each of the 4 directions in your home. Then in your mind's eye, imagine a field connecting them together with gold light, until your entire home is surrounded in a gold shield of protection. Make sure you believe it, because it's that belief which makes it worth.

You can even say out loud, "I protect this space from undue influences, both from without and from within." Whether or not this force field is real is not the point. When you believe it is, then you feel safer and less exposed to things beyond your control. This is an asset when you enter the astral.

If there's an astral low life hanging around your home, then the main way you can get rid of it is by raising the vibration. Since an astral low life can't match the vibration, it will be repelled by it. Fun, joy, bliss, and connections with higher spiritual ideals can do this.

The other thing is using your voice to clear the space. Telling whatever it is in a firm voice to leave is often enough. If you've seen it in the astral then it knows you are aware of it. Sounds like it's being a bully on top of it. Just tell it to get lost.

 

[panic in paradise]

I think it is likely that what you are experiencing is an Out of Body Experience. I believe that many persons dependent to drugs, especially heroin, are that way from their experience in past lives, or existence prior to birth; having achieved a State of Bliss/Grace have now in this present life unfortunately found a sure fire way to achieve that familiar state of being again. It is a trapping, but once seen for what it is the trap can be avoided with the self assurance that your experience is real, and how there truly is much more for you than that can provide.

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Hail! Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, O Virgin Theotokos: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, for thou hast borne the Saviour of our souls.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

My first impulse is to tell you you're just (nod-)dreaming, and the experience is a meaningless nightmare. My second impulse is to advise thinking about what God might be trying to tell you through this.

It might be a good idea to cast some kind of protection around your home. You can use any kind of spiritual symbology that resonates with you, like the cross. You can draw crosses in the air (or any other symbol) using your hands, on each of the 4 directions in your home. Then in your mind's eye, imagine a field connecting them together with gold light, until your entire home is surrounded in a gold shield of protection. Make sure you believe it, because it's that belief which makes it worth.

You can even say out loud, "I protect this space from undue influences, both from without and from within." Whether or not this force field is real is not the point. When you believe it is, then you feel safer and less exposed to things beyond your control. This is an asset when you enter the astral.

This is not allowed in Christianity, which inherets Judaism's rules against magic and superstition. Pursuing AP while sober would likewise be forbidden.

There are some pretty far out states you can pursue sober, that are religiously laudable, read about/read St. Teresa de Ávila's El Castillo Interior (I know she was Roman Catholic, but it sounds compatible with the Orthodox tradition of hesychasm, I think). St. John Climacus would be another good one to look into.

 

[panic in paradise]

My first impulse is to tell you you're just (nod-)dreaming, and the experience is a meaningless nightmare. My second impulse is to advise thinking about what God might be trying to tell you through this.



This is not allowed in Christianity, which inherets Judaism's rules against magic and superstition. Pursuing AP while sober would likewise be forbidden.

There are some pretty far out states you can pursue sober, that are religiously laudable, read about/read St. Teresa de Ávila's El Castillo Interior (I know she was Roman Catholic, but it sounds compatible with the Orthodox tradition of hesychasm, I think). St. John Climacus would be another good one to look into.

This is not true for the Eastern Orthodox Christian faith, they acknowledge ones lightbody, and the angels, so performing a standard banish, that is requesting the presencre of the angels who rule the North East South and West, to then recite the Rosary or Jesus Prayer until that connection is made, would seem entirely the ultimate point of prayer: making a connection with the true self and establishing a greater understanding of God.

One of the most intense mystic experiences in my life has been in a Archdiocese Orthodox church, where my lightbody, or kundalini, was arched with the higherpower, I fell back down on the pew and was blacked out for a period of time(long story )...

Surely they would frown upon herion use more then devoted prayer.


Now Let thy Servant Depart
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[HypGnosis]

I've had/still have similar experiences.

I put it down to my Shadow, or Anima (Carl Jung is the boy when it comes to explaining 'the people inside us'), trying to keep my soul from flying (she gets jealous you see).

You were born from her, but you are now more, she doesn't like this.

I find that when exploring things which appear to be happening to my mind > consciousness, it is usually most helpful to consider the experience as some part of myself. By even engaging in a 'cleansing ritual' you are providing the very fear which, if they exist, some entities may find rather tasty. Train yourself to enter the silence, nothing can get you there.

Observe yourself; you are infinite, nothing can really hurt you.

You may get scared from the experience, I do sometimes, but maybe that is just because you're opening yourself up to arenas in which you are not yet prepared.

Drugs tend to do this to people.

 

[shimazu]

I have no idea about anything supernatural related like that (just dont really believe in it I guess), but sometimes when I would nod out I would be in the middle of doing something (like being on my phone or something) and when someone would point out that I was on the nod I'd snap back into consciousness almost instantly and start pretending like I was still on my phone.

I personally think when your brain starts to tell the body to get into that state, whatever signals you may have been trying to send just kind of get caught in no-mans-land when your body starts resting for no apparent reason. And when you come out of it, the first thing you think of might be whatever you were doing immidiately before nodding out.

Idk, theres just been a couple times where I've nodded in my car and when I came to the first thing I thought of every time was "what led up to me being in this situation" and have to do like a play by play of the events of the past hours.

Not sure if this is really helping your question at all but the science behind nodding and just dreams in general is still somewhat questionable so I can see why people would look for supernatural explanations but honestly, I think your mind is just playing tricks on you man.

Have you ever tried not running away from the entity? I know its easy to be like "ok in my dream later Im going to do this, this, and this", but it might be an interesting outcome if you were actually able to identify you are not in your normal mindstate and go from there.

 

[Foreigner]

To put this another way, I don't think it's very useful or productive to debate whether or not the OP's experience is happening in his brain or there is some kind of real out of body phenomenon happening. It doesn't matter if it's real to us, it's real to him. That's why I provided the suggestions that I did, because whether it's psychosomatic or truly paranormal, taking some kind of meaningful action can help him to feel safer and more comfortable. Whether it's AP or just the brain, we are dealing with the unconscious mind, and the unconscious mind always responds to the intentionality of symbols and rituals.

 

[Madrus]

Foreigner gets it. Consciousness (incl. beliefs) come first.
Believe any think about something long enough and you'll make a thought-form.
Then of course, there are the astral baddies/leeches that are drawn to easy targets of low vibrations -- addicts are an easy choice.
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sometimes I feel as if I am oppressed by a demon, and that is why I stupidly fall back to the false security of drugs...

Yes, I've felt the same thing for about 4 years now. As I start to delve into the states, I get visions or feelings or thoughts of external entities which aren't there to help, to say the least.

 

[skipjames]

I ve had it with H and especially with Opium. I hd a lovely chat with my dad that kinda had the big idea to die one year before ( and before you ask : it was NOT an hallucination, I was fucked more thn usual and he rehed out, so to say)
. Now with blow I m not having nothing of the sort I guess it s because it s a very nonspiritual drug....

 

[skipjames]

ok, this is where shit gets really weird. whenever I astrally project under the influence I also get the sensation that an ethereal apparatus, or maybe a ghost for lack of a better word, even though I really do not get ghost like vibes from this thing more just vibes of terror, as I am really really scared of this apparition when I astrally project. I always get the feeling of being chased back to my body by this thing, as I am fleeing in terror. I can never really get a good bead or read on this entity, most likely because I am always hauling ass away from it. maybe it is just a mass of blackness? anyways, this thing does not want me to astrally project....

There s evil shit out there. You re Christian from the Orthodox Tradition, you have ll the resources to tell them to fuck off, in the Name of the Father of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. These shits re like dogs, they feel your fear, and if you re with Christ, even if high on H, you don t hve to fear anything