Opioids help with lady H, scared first timer. Could use some advice

[Fata1221]

Hey all. First post here. Just registered but I have been using BL for a long time to gather information and it has always been extremely helpful. So I thought id give posting a try as I am in need of some help. I am a long term chronic pain patient. Back is pretty much destroyed. I won't bore you all with that cause that's not why I am here. So I am out about a week early of oxycodone cannot find any by alternative means. So I was able to get some h. But I have no prior experience with it and don't really know what or how much to do. I got [snip] But the person whom I got It from ( friend of a friend ) didn't really give me any kind of measurement for each bag. His advice was to snort a bag, wait 15 minutes and do another. Then repeat until it takes my pain away.

This makes me very very nervous. I'm scared to death to even be trying this but I don't have any other choices. But the last thing I want to do is way to much and get sick or worse.
I take on average about 225-270 mg of oxycodone per day. Split into doses of about 45 mg at a time every 3-4 hours or so. If anyone could shed some light on the best way to go about trying to match this using H that would help?

How much at a time ?
How long will if last each dose ?

Any help or advice would really be appreciated.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

Those are probably half point or less bags, but I can't be sure.
With an opiate tolerance like you have you could snort a half point and it should do the trick for your pain, but start with half of a bag just to be careful.
But be careful I know you suffer from severe chronic pain, but this is a very slippery slope, and it's even harder to climb back up once you've fell

 

[missmeyet?]

Just be very very careful...using heroin will increase your tolerance to your oxycodone even more.

Someone will jump in I'm sure with other advice but I do not feel comfortable giving you dosages to use when you have never used heroin before and are a pain patient. I do know that it is a dangerous road to take (from experience).

*edit*
Just saw toasts post once I posted my reply. I agree with him on the caution he is telling you to take. I just feel this is a very bad idea (though I understand about running out early and all). But once you do it this time you are likely to do it again and like he said it is an extremely slippery slop...and very dangerous road to take.

 

[RTrain]

Its really tough to say because no one knows the strength or size of these bags of H you have. If the stuff is anything decent in strength and the bags are at least .1 g, then 1 should be enough and 2 will certainly be enough for a single dose. If its real good you might not even need a whole bag to match 45 mg of oxy.

Likely if you do an equianalgesic dose to your oxy (which is impossible to do since you don't know the exact purity of the h) it will not last as long. Heroin has a short half life and is converted to morphine or 3&6-MAM and then to morphine. So the majority of the duration of the high is from the converted morphine in your system. Morphine has half life of 2-3 and oxy 3-4.5, so you won't get relief for as long.

I'd like to ask, do you snort the oxy? Irregardless it should be noted that using the heroin might raise your tolerance to a point where your usual oxycodone prescription will be lasting even less time.

Those are probably half point or less bags, but I can't be sure.
With an opiate tolerance like you have you could snort a half point and it should do the trick for your pain, but start with half of a bag just to be careful.
But be careful I know you suffer from severe chronic pain, but this is a very slippery slope, and it's even harder to climb back up once you've fell

Ya that is what I am thinking, too, prob 1/2 pts. Or its a pretty good deal, or weak skag.

 

[Fata1221]

Thank you guys. Both responses are helpful. I was leaning towards starting with half a bag and then seeing how it goes.

I know how terrible of an idea this is. I am an intelligent person with a great job and I can't believe I let myself come to this point.

It started out completely innocent and then the medicine stopped helping the pain. Then 2 surgeries later I needed more. So here I am in this predicament. But I can't miss work and if I go through withdrawal or deal with the pain I won't be able to go.

So once again. Thanks for the advice. I will be as careful as I can be. And I'm not gonna be naive and say it will only be this one time. I really hope it is but we both know that probably won't be the case.

 

[f33lg00d]

It's no worse than taking street acquired oxy, when you run out. Expect for the unknown purity aspect, heroin just has a large stigma against it.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I would get a scale, a 0.01g scale can be much cheaper than the price of your heroin and your safety is well worth the price, but I was making my size assumptions based on the price you paid (no price discussion allowed btw) but I would get a scale or someone who has used heroin before to help you with the dosages if you can.

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

I would get a scale, a 0.01g scale can be much cheaper than the price of your heroin and your safety is well worth the price,

This is definitely something you should get. Starting out with H and eyeballing doses is a good(bad) way to quickly jump from a 1/2 bag to 3/4 bag to whole bag etc etc.

IMO stick to snorting and don't even bother trying other RoA if you're determined to keep this a pain management thing only.

 

[missmeyet?]

Have you talked to your doctor at all about increasing your dosage or putting you on a stronger med? Does he not have you on a long acting pain med in addition to the oxy?

 

[sekio]

You're walking down a bad path here. If you find your pain meds are not cutting it, have them augmented with e.g. a NSAID or something... using street heroin is not only really risky, but also can really fuck your tolerance up.

The purity of powder heroin varies pretty widely. If you have time and effort you can purify it to remove some of the gunk.

If memory serves - heroin can be used orally, as a high-bioavailibility prodrug for morphine. (a dose of oral morphine is about 30% absorbed, a dose of oral heroin, when absorbed, works out to ~45-60% its weight in morphine in the blood) It lacks any "rush" and has a longer duration due to absorbtion through the liver etc.

 

[deidara]

look at the http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/564885-Opioid-Conversion-Chart to figure your dose

 

[etnies]

I take on average about 225-270 mg of oxycodone per day.

Umm...well, if you're in the north east of the usa...to be safe snort 1 and see what happens...but if your tolerance is that massive...your going to need a lot more than just 1...

 

[Reverend Random]

Since it's worth a try to just ask: have you got any experience with cannabis for pain treatment? It's not that effective for each kind of pain, but it's worth a shot. Especially if you're going down the path of trying street heroin to combat your pain.

 

[Fata1221]

Thanks to everyone for your replies. I appreciate the advice and concern. Everyone here has been very helpful.

To the 2 guys who mentioned the scale. Where would I get a scale like that. I have a digital gram and ounce scale for pot but I don't think that would work would it?

I will stick to snorting definitely way too scared to start iv.

But the mentioning of doing it orally sounds really appealing. If it really does have a good bio availability and turns to morphine maybe that's a god idea.

To answr about the meds. Yes we have tried a lot of different drugs. None seem to work as well as pain like the oxy. Yes the dose had skyrocketed but at the right amount it helps my pain much more than anything else. The long acting drugs which we have tried barely help me. And pot does nothing at all for my pain. For me out intensifies what I'm feeling. So sometimes my pain gets worse.

And to the poster who guessed in in the northeastern us they were right.

And after experimenting it has turned out that half a bag I felt no relief. 1 bag was the right amount. Helped a good amount. Pain relief last about 3-4 hours.

 

[RTrain]

^Amazon has them, not bad prices at all.