Treatment Help wil suboxone in Canada, need to be clean!!

[wolf359loki]

Hello. A little back ground on me. I am nearly 50 years old and I have been on prescription opiods for about 10 years. Before that I did not do much of anything. I had only used shrooms and LSD in my 20s and that was only a few times a year. I didn't and still done even drink except a glass of wine once in a whil. However in the past decade I have been on many different types of pills from Tylenol 4 to Oxy. I have avoided all of the type of drugs from the street level. Just to be clear I don't have a prescription for what I take but get them anyway.

Over the past couple of years I have tried to quit and have made an effort to get to as little as possible and not get sick. I know that each time I try and fail I also learn more about my self. The last time was the summer of 2016 and I used a lot of what I had learned in the past to try again. I had a goal as I would be over seas for at least 6 weeks so I tapered down to about 8 Tylenol 4 a day. Once I was in Africa I used the excuses of jetlag and detoxed on my own. I was getting married and that was a good motivation. I was able to remain off for a couple of weeks when I returned to Canada.

I have now tapers down to 4 doses of 4mg dilaudid a day. So I am ready to try again soon. I should also point out that I don't get high and haven't in a long time. If I never get into an altered state again in my life I am OK with that.

What I need is a source for suboxone/buprenorphine in Canada. I do not want to see my Dr about any of this as no one in my life knows I am an addicted to pills. I have even signed up for an online course to administer the product to patients both to educate myself on my own attempt and to maybe get access to the product. From what I have read I would like to use the strips for my attempt.

I have a plan, but I can't not afford to be dope sick at this time. My wife is away for at least a year and I am the sole caregiver to my son who just started kindergarten. If anyone knows a Dr that can write a script or a reliable on-line place to buy it please let me know. I am aiming for January 1 as my day 1 sober.

 

[wolf359loki]

I guess I can expand a bit more. I have been reading in other forums that some people use Suboxone to get high. That is not my goal. My goal is to run the medication at the minimum level to get me 2 or 3 week past my WD stage. What I want to avoid is having to go into the dispensary everyday. That is just not possible for me.

I also want to avoid a the professionals from putting me on this drug for ever. I know I can do this my self.

Thanks for your time.

 

[tired of crap]

Hey Wolfie

Unfortunately I have no experience or knowledge in regards to opiate WD/tapering/addiciton.

Given dr/patient confidentiality I dont understand why youre concerned about seeing a Dr. Care to elaborate?

Also if you find a dr to write a script (i dunno if thats even how it works?) and you dont like their tapering regime, I suppose you could always develop your own based upon the advice and experiences of others?

Finally Id have to say that

I know that each time I try and fail I also learn more about my self.

is a wonderful attitude.

I wish you the best of luck on your journey.

Keep us posted on your progress.
Someone more versed in this area will chime in soon Im sure.

 

[wolf359loki]

Hey Wolfie

Unfortunately I have no experience or knowledge in regards to opiate WD/tapering/addiciton.

Given dr/patient confidentiality I dont understand why youre concerned about seeing a Dr. Care to elaborate?

Also if you find a dr to write a script (i dunno if thats even how it works?) and you dont like their tapering regime, I suppose you could always develop your own based upon the advice and experiences of others?

Finally Id have to say that is a wonderful attitude.

I wish you the best of luck on your journey.

Keep us posted on your progress.
Someone more versed in this area will chime in soon Im sure.

I have always been proactive with my medical treatment and I try to be informed. In this case I even went for the course to administer Suboxone and I am working on the second level now. I am also a very determined person and I have over come some very big things. For example in my 20s I was 600 pounds and by the time I was 35 I had dropped over 300 pounds. I currently sit 245/255lbs or so. I also beat cancer in 2007 (Hopkins). Which I think started this spiral down the rabbit whole. In my mind and heart I would not let this disease turn me cold and bitter. I went with it and was thankful for every day after that. I have a fairly positive attitude and so I choose to let that shine through.

Anyway. I have a plan that included my wife and son as my support. I am currently doing the single dad thing for my 4 year old boy as my wife is away over seas working on her PhD. She will be back in may or June. Until then I can't afford to be dope sick. The best I have ever done cold turkey with just a two week taper was 6 weeks plus the 5 days of detox. Took a lot of Zopiclone to sleep most of my WD. I then got out of Canada and into the middle of Africa. With no choice I got through. I went to get married so I noticed having that close family support was very helpful (even if the didn't know). My plan this time is to get past the first 24 to 36 hours and then start the suboxone. If I went through Health Canada they would want to keep me on for ever. I don't want to be on for ever. I have zero disire to take opiods to get high again. They haven't gotten me high in a year or so already.I have looked into a protocol of the medicine that gets me off in about 8 to 10 weeks. Using the taper method to cut your dose in half every 3 to 5 days. Down to less that 0.25$g near the end. Having my son here and being the sole caregivers will help be stay on track and get up everyday because I have to.

So maybe some good news. I might have found a source for the suboxone and I hope to find out tomorrow or by Friday. I hope the cost is not too high but if so I will buy in several smaller orders. Gerald

Anyway thanks for writing back and I will try and get back on here soon.

Would still love to hear if anyone has a better idea than going to the street for suboxone. Fire away, I check back ofter.

 

[wolf359loki]

Here we go. I

I am a 48 year old male at about 245lbs (in shape) but I am also in full blown withdrawal. I spent a long time planning this for after Christmas and before the new year is on us. This has a lot to do with my young son who is now living with me and I am his only parent. So I need to get clean at least for the next year so he is out of kindergarten. I have had some success in quitting before, but the best I ever did was 8 weeks plus the detox days which I don't really count. Being sick in bed for 4 days is not what I call better. Hahahaha

My drug of choice are Hydromorphone, percocet and Codeine when the rest is rare. Man I can go through lot in a day. My normal day would be at least 20 pills over the course of a normal day. I have been addicted for many years. I have tapered down to 3 x 4mg a day of Hydromorphone. The taper did put me into some withdrawal symptoms. The worst being crabby and sort of down. I only get meds that come from the pharmacy and I have avoided other sources. I take them oral and no other way. The preferred method is to take them orally.

I have never really suffered from depression in my life (thank you for that). So for me to say I was feeling depressed would feel wrong. Like I was disrespectful to people who really suffer. I lost my wife to depression and PTSD and that was really tough to get past.

In the past 2 years I have tried to quit a few times with various degrees of time away. The longest was the late summer of 2016 when I was off for about 8 week. This was due to being oversea.. I have been reading all sorts of methods to getting past the WD stage and getting into the recovery stage.

The best I have read and researched has been here in the forums and thread and the use of oral Suboxone.

I NEED to get off of this stuff. I have a wonderful 4 year old son who needs his daddy around. My some just started kindergarten this year and he is the Center of my life. I am currently his only parent so it's critical. I can't be sick as he needs me to be front and Center. I have used that as an excuse to keep feeding my addiction so no more of that. Im desperate to find a source of suboxone to try and quit this time.

As you know finding this stuff in Canada is hard (at least for most). I have even signed up and passed 2 course on Suboxone in the hopes of accessing the product. Not sure how long that may take. I took the beginning course and the advanced ones offered by the manufacturer. I can now work in a detox Center or Treatment Centre doing induction.

No one in my life knows I am a user. I can't make it known so my Dr is no help. I would risk my federal security clearance and that would ruin my business.

So let's have a look at my plans so far.

I don't ever do much of any drugs now or in the past. I did grow up and spent a lot of time working the black market. So access is never a big deal. This is why I am able to get 20 Dilly a day or a bag of whatever. I tried smoking weed (got my licence) but couldn't get into it. My only other drug that I enjoy was LSD. I used it often in my 20s and it was great. Mushrooms too were great. I have been playing with microdose of it a few months ago. This was so I could test quality and get the correct levels. have some and I planned on waiting until day 2 and drop some. Mostly to relieve my mind and speed up my time. I have my connection looking for some suboxone to help me get off this stuff.

I have prepared some gelatin caps with a few different things so I can take it quickly when needed. Different sizes and colors help. They are earmarked for different times over the next month to help.

OMG. My guy came through for me. I am now in possession of the missing piece to get over this. I was a 24 hours in and at 11pm he called to say he is on the way. I have 10 doses of suboxone. I have carefully weight and separated the pills after I broke them up.

I am not sure how long I will wait for my first dose. I have read some great things on getting the most out of your pills. A bit more reading and I will be set.

For some info. A Canadian suboxone has a physical weight (on a digital scale) of 0.375 grams. I am doing it like this to stretch it as long as I need.

Wish me luck. I will update soon.

 

[Alldonewithit]

Don't take the sub for more than a week, maybe 10 days, or you will withdrawal from those. Just use them to get through the acute stage of the withdrawals, then exercise, take multi vitamins, L- tyrosine, vit b6, vit b12, protein shakes. You'll feel a little weak for a a couple weeks, but the acute physical withdrawals will be over. Good luck, pulling for ya here.

 

[wolf359loki]

Don't take the sub for more than a week, maybe 10 days, or you will withdrawal from those. Just use them to get through the acute stage of the withdrawals, then exercise, take multi vitamins, L- tyrosine, vit b6, vit b12, protein shakes. You'll feel a little weak for a a couple weeks, but the acute physical withdrawals will be over. Good luck, pulling for ya here.

Oh yes. I am getting off all this shit as soon as possible. The capsules I prepared have many of the things you mentioned. I will NOT slip and take an opiod again. Or anything that may be habit forming. I will keep the suboxone in little piece to use as needed. I just too a bit and it seems to be doing something. The sickness is a bit better.

No sleeping pills either. Benzos seem pretty bad too.

I will keep you posted.

 

[wolf359loki]

on Mt way.

Hello all.

So I am at about the 60 hour and only 2mg of suboxone so far. I am having some problems but not to bad, but not sure if that will last. Some pain (phantom I'm sure) insomnia is better, and gastronomy problems.

So far no major cravings and no anxiety to use or seek my dope. I told my guys to leave me be and not to answer if I call. I didn't even consider callingall. have even ignored calls from friends that I normally trade with. That is so much better than my past attempts. I hope the lack of drug seeking is the suboxone working. I still plan on getting off of that too. I was able to eat about 30 minutes ago. Before that it would have been pointless even if I could.

I was also able to sleep finally last night at about 11pm. Was awake for about 36 hours. Actual had to check the calendar this morning to see what day we were in. Hahahaha.

The LSD I took had some very positive effects (besides the obvious) with my WD. I normally suffer RLS when WD comes on. I had none until just a bit before bed when it wore off. The acid helped keep my mind occupied too which was very good. I was also not bored and didn't just lay around and wallow in my WD misery. Once it wore off I was able to sleep too for about 8 hours and woke up felling better.

As I was writing this my first dose of suboxon was dissolving under my tongue. I have been up since 8am so that 5 hours a go and I wasn't watching the clock at all. I just put a couple of crumbs under my tongue and that should be it.

I will update soon.

Stay strong.

 

[wolf359loki]

Hello everyone.

I am on day 5 of my detox and day 3 on Suboxone. So far I have been having some of the normal issue with WD as I am using only a few crumbs from my suboxone tablets. In total I have used about 6mg since starting. Over the last 3 days I kept my level at 2mg a day and felt stable.

Today I started the second phase. I lowered my dose to 1mg but changes my ROA to nasal. This way I increased the BA of the product. I will remain at this leve for 5 more days and then drop to 0.5mg for another 5 days. Depending on how I feel of course.

I also have a LOT of experience with peptides and I am going to add two of them used SubQ. Semex And Selank (google or wiki them) are two products to help balance brain chemistry. Some of the issues with long term opiod use and addiction is our bodies stop producing many of these chemicals. Having the suboxone on the receptors help as it doesn't mimic as many of those chemicals, but they are still slow to recover.

The peptides will help with this and help reduce that long process of recover to "Feeling Normal". I may also add hgh (human growth hormone) to help with the healing. Since I have easy access and none of them are black market items.

Stay strong.

 

[wolf359loki]

Today was a hard day. The combination of WD and boredom made we very attempted to call for an order. I have dropped to 1mg a day for the past 3 days. I didn't start me induction as high as many others. Most take 8 or 16mg +n the first day and after. I started at only 2mg for the first few days. I knew the half life of suboxone was about 36 hours and was expecting some issues. The urge to take an opiod was very strong. I even caught my self drug seeking by shaking old containers. I asked my self "what If you find an old stash" so I stopped that and went to run errands.

I was also aware this may happen, but the desire was very strong. I also avoided anything else that may have lead me on the wrong path.

The drop in engery was very obvious too as I had read about that also. I will continue to stay avoid my bad habits as much as possible and spend more time with my boy.

Keep sober and strong.

 

[wolf359loki]

Hello

Just an update on my progress. Not sure I'd anyone is reading this but me, hahahah.

I am doing better now and still tapering down my suboxone. At 0.5mg a day now and will cut that in half by Sunday.

Next week I will start using some peptides instead of the recommended benzos and other drugs suggested here for comfort. I had Semax and Selank on hand and will start taking them on Monday or Tuesday.

I want to settle at 0.25mg of suboxone first and allow my body to get used to that level. I don't think I will go down lower as it gets harder to measure such small amounts. Instead I will space out my doses farther apart. From every 24 hours to 30 hours, then 36 hours and so on until I reach a point where WD is setting in. I think that should be at about 48 hours between doses.

Then I will step off and hope the peptides work to reduce the mental side effects.

On a positive note I have noticed a measured increase in my sex drive. It had of course suffered due to the opioids in the past year or so. Before that my drive was always very high. I am very glad it has started to return.

Staying sober and strong. For now anyways.

 

[wolf359loki]

Hello Everyone;

I have not updated here in a while, but wanted to give people an update on my progress. I have just returned from my holiday and things have worked out very well. With a lot of effort I continued to drop my dose of Suboxone lower and lower until about 10 dayes before leaving the country. It became hard to measure the amount I was using so I had to get creative when I was below 1mg a day. I would start my week with just 1 8mg tablet ground up. I would then mix in an equal amount of kids chew-able vitamins to increase the physical amount. This would then me divided into 8 doses. I continued to drop lower and lower by increasing the amount of Flintstones or reducing the amount of Suboxone. This week I had my physical and I arranged to have a drug screen added to my blood and urine tests. It came back negative for all substances! Keep in mind that I have never been drug screened before this and I was very surprised. I am still worried about the future and I really want to avoid a relapse. Anyone know if its possible to add an order to ones medical records to never treat with opium products? I fear having an accident and waking up hooked to some IV and starting this process over again.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Sure, you could find a way to add that note to your permanent medical records.

I'd consult with your doctor or a lawyer about how to go about doing it. Might end up along the lines of an advanced directive if you're ever treated and you aren't responsive/conscious.

Advanced directives are useful to create anyways. Probably want to cut your partner/family (to the degree it's appropriate) in on the process to get their feedback.

Glad to hear you're doing well wolf!

 

[wolf359loki]

Hello everyone;

So I have been here a while and over the past 5 months I have been able to lower my dose of Suboxone from 8 to 12mg a day all the way to zero about 6 weeks ago. Since then I have been completely clean and sober. Two weeks ago I got a drug screen done and I had nothing is my urine or blood.

My problem is the past 2 days (and VERY LONG NIGHTS) I have been REALLY craving more any type of RX with Opium. I really Do Not Want To Use and I need to know how long these cravings last? Do they eventually go away? What can I do to help? I do not want to use anything narcotic or trade one habit for another.

I am not even taking any sleeping pills, OTC or by script. The first while was fine and them all of a sudden I get this itch and I start to think about using and just defeating everything I work up to.

8)

 

[wolf359loki]

Thanks you everyone who replied, and I hope the ones that just read get something out of this.

So 17 days more of being clean. I took many things people shared with me to heart. I got past that hump and did not slip. The feelings did go away and after I noticed a big up swing in my mood and mind. Almost like breaking through a stage or something. At that time I did not go to the Doctor for help, I did however start to read more on "comfort" meds and I went and obtained a script for seroquel (use as needed), a powerful Antacid (my good the heartburn!!!) and found a good guy who is local and knows a TON about Kratom as he was once in many of our shoes. Now his legit job is as the Kratom Guy distributor and has some blends targeted to where you are in recovery. More Sleepy for the first while, one with more euphoria for days requiring some of that and others for energy, mind and body.

Another thing that helped me was watching peoples recovery stories on YouTube. Some were just very low budget but real people who struggled too. Some were full of all kinds of truth and that helped me a lot.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P61agFxuu8k)

I was very happy I had made those preparations because I had a couple of hard days this week too. I even found my self being short with people and that is just not me at all. The craving had returned very quietly and I had to do something to get that back and past this hump. So far so good. Between the small hurtles I do seem to be emerging as my old self. I used to be a person who whistle in the car to music or sing along. The other day I just fell back into that habit and it made me feel good. Now I just look forward to the next break through point to see what comes next.

Kratom is not something I have used much. Out of 6 or 7 days of craving I used it 3 times maybe. I will keep posting, reading and maybe helping where I can.

THANK YOU ALL.

 

[wolf359loki]

Oh yeah. Just for full transparency I am also taking 2 peptides (Selank 5mg & Semax 10mg a week) and Human Growth Hormones to help with healing and brain chemistry.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Oh yeah. Just for full transparency I am also taking 2 peptides (Selank 5mg & Semax 10mg a week) and Human Growth Hormones to help with healing and brain chemistry.

How's that working? Where did you hear about trying something like this?

Just curious, as it isn't an approach I run into often.

 

[wolf359loki]

Hello again;

I have been clean and sober all the way through my recovery now for 3 full months now. I have stopped the Selank and Semax and have been doing well. Had a few rough days with some cravings but I managed to get past that. My wife has been here all of July and it has been great to spend time with her and our son. She has been away a lot during the past year or two with doing her PhD. I am getting prepared to get back to the gym in Sept when my son is back in school.

My honest opinion of running the peptide is they were AMAZING! Instead of more RX medication to help with depression and energy after I stopped it was much better. I am going to continue my HGH for the next 3 months for a total of 6 months on cycle. I actually work closely and do fitness consulting with peptides. I am invested in a few website that provide research products in this field too in Canada. So it was easy for me to go in that direction when I was ready.

Right now I am working out at home on things like tendon strengthening and stretching to make sure I am set to go back to lifting.

I will keep checking in and doing what I need to do to stay sober. I have also spoke candidly with my mother and brothers and of course my wife. I have made my wishes clear to them and their support means a lot to me. I am always reading more on here and do respond when I feel the need. This is not the first addiction I have dealt with to be honest and it took my family to remind me of that. When I was 30 years old i weighted 600 pounds and that was a big hurdle to also over come. I have a page on that Book site if you want to know more, From Lard to Hard. Got some photos that will put things in perspective really.

Good luck to everyone and keep doing life one day at a time.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^you might enjoy our PED forum (performance enhancing drugs). They got a lot of info about cycles in there

Best wishes my northern brethren!

 

[EPL1]

Just read through this whole thread wolf, you are amazing!! So proud of you, keep up the great work!!!your friend,Ash.

Hello again;I have been clean and sober all the way through my recovery now for 3 full months now. I have stopped the Selank and Semax and have been doing well. Had a few rough days with some cravings but I managed to get past that. My wife has been here all of July and it has been great to spend time with her and our son. She has been away a lot during the past year or two with doing her PhD. I am getting prepared to get back to the gym in Sept when my son is back in school. My honest opinion of running the peptide is they were AMAZING! Instead of more RX medication to help with depression and energy after I stopped it was much better. I am going to continue my HGH for the next 3 months for a total of 6 months on cycle. I actually work closely and do fitness consulting with peptides. I am invested in a few website that provide research products in this field too in Canada. So it was easy for me to go in that direction when I was ready. Right now I am working out at home on things like tendon strengthening and stretching to make sure I am set to go back to lifting.I will keep checking in and doing what I need to do to stay sober. I have also spoke candidly with my mother and brothers and of course my wife. I have made my wishes clear to them and their support means a lot to me. I am always reading more on here and do respond when I feel the need. This is not the first addiction I have dealt with to be honest and it took my family to remind me of that. When I was 30 years old i weighted 600 pounds and that was a big hurdle to also over come. I have a page on that Book site if you want to know more, From Lard to Hard. Got some photos that will put things in perspective really.Good luck to everyone and keep doing life one day at a time.