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Heating substances / Science Project idea

CrescentFresh

CrescentFresh

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OK heres a dumb question ive been pondering....
Back in HS we had a wood splint in a test tube, we heated the stoppered tube and it produced something liek ethonal, CO2 and something else perhaps...the gas was collected in a test tube and popped to prove it was CO2 or H^2 or somethign like that, but anyways...
I was wondering what would happen if you did this with other chem's...say DMT, Weed, or anythign you can get FX from smoking.
Example, have a tube with a 1-holed stopper and chem. x inside, heat the substance - collected the gas that rises into a balloon perhaps, or somethign that holds gas (im no chem major obviously). Now after this is done, youd probbably have a beaker with some ash and sh't in it, and a balloon with substance X smoke in it... now lets say it was THC, would it still be effective if inhaled, it sounds similar to like how a Vaporizer is setup... Sorry to bother you all with this, i just get these ideas in my head and it really bothers me... any scientific answers would greatly help a brother out...thanx again
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The natural states of the substances mentioned are solid cyrstaline at room temp... Assuming that the substance is stable and doesn't breakdown into some other chemicals and elements during vaporization it will recondence into it's normal state(though the molecules will be scattered) when it returns to room temp. Leaving a fine film/powder on the inside of your test tube...
so basicaly you would be waisting your time...
 
It sounds like the experiment you did in HS was just a general combustion experiment. Essentially - if you heat a substance either too quickly or too hot, its chemical stucture will break down and combine with molecular oxygen to form CO2, H2O and other simple oxygen derivatives...
This will happen with any organic compound if you heat it hot enough. Now if you lookup the vaporizing point of certian compounds, you could conciveably heat any compound into the gaseous phase and inhale it or seperate it from everything else. Depending on the compound you could probably inhale whatever you seperated (as long as it wasn't too hot) and if it were intended to be inhaled.
This can be difficult and it is easy to destroy compounds if you are not careful, but it is definately possible.
Like they said above, this is essentially teh same principle a vaporizer uses...
If you want more info - email me...
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but do Alkaloids tend to break down into CO2+h2o+some new compound.. or do they just vaporize.. he used THC as an example, hence knew it would work.. i believe he's asking what owuld happen if you did the same w/ 5meodipt or 2ct7, etc.
 
smoking == applying a direct flame to the substance, causing smoke, etc. and causing the substance to combust and do all sorts of crazy shit that isn't needed/toxic.. indirect heat causes some substances to breakdown and have other gases come off, some just vaporize (like THC or salvinorium A [sp?]) if you have a hot enough source..
take baking soda for example.. NaHCO3... heat it up, CO2 + H2O comes off, and you're left with Na2CO3, a completely different substance...
what happens with alkaloids and tryptamines, etc. when you heat it indirectly? dangit, we want to know!! Roches! you know?
 
I wish it to be known that I will try to be less negative and nicer to people from now on, but martinez--WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHY THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN BOTHER TO POST? WHO THE FUCK "SOUNDS LIKE SOME DUMB FUCKING REDNECK TO" YOU?
Fucking greenlighter.
 
What the fuck do you think it sounds like, or are so some low life hick mother fucker too? Learn to read and understand what youre reading you dirty cocksucker. And you can lick my balls, Fucking Bluelighter.
 
so.
i didnt miss out on this one right?
two basically correct principles here.
first, yes, O2 and H2 are gases at room temperature (though H2O and ethanol, of course, are not), while THC is a solid. if you heated weed in a test tube, the best results you could achieve would be that the THC vapor would condense on the walls as it rose, because obviously the temperature near the top of the tube will be lower than at the bottom. you'll get an interesting effect as you continue applying heat; the ring of liquid (it'll be a liquid first, of course) will slowly rise up the tube as the temperature of the glass increases.
however... if you look up the boiling points (it's always called boiling point) for several substances, you will very often see stuff like "m.p. 154-155°, dec. (for decomposes) above 180°". MANY organic substances, perhaps most, are not stable at high enough temperatures to vaporize them. some will change forms, others will break down into simpler species. the decomposition (it's not combustion unless you combust it, i.e. *react it with oxygen*) products aren't limited to CO2, O2, H2O, N2, NH4 and things like that. they might be other organic compounds, they might be inorganic--but they won't be what you want.
i don't know the specifics for THC here, and there might be major ones. apparently there are special conditions those vaporizers establish so they'll work.
but... the main thing you'd need to do is extract under vacuum. i wouldn't advise sucking on a glass tube with a blowtorch nearby... but then you have to worry about the distance you're forcing the vapor to travel. the effects of applying vacuum, anyway, will be that the boiling point of your substance will be lowered, and under a strong enough vacuum it will be quite low. however, the decomposition point, if any, will remain the same, because while boiling point depends on pressure, decomposition point depends only upon temperature and bond energy.
you *could* try this.. you won't change the world, but it might be fun. (actually, it might work well for hash. my crackhead has this thing for hash, but i guess many people can't get it.)
uh, make sure you use pyrex, heat slowly, and don't suck on anything glass.
 
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