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Have I have gone too far philosophically?

RhythmSpring

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I feel like I have swallowed the horse-pill version of the red pill. I've dabbled much in psychedelics, especially Salvia. I really appreciate the wisdom Salvia has to offer (mostly imparted during oral experiences, not smoked), but it has made my perspective quite... absolute?

I feel like everything is ultimately in vain. Because everything is temporary and unsustainable, I can't find it in myself to get behind or believe in something other than the destruction of illusion. I feel like the more illusion I strip down, there are more layers underneath. But the deeper I go, the further away I get from where it seems everybody else is in society. It makes it very hard for me to relate to people. I want absolutely love and truth all the time, and other people want to talk about mundane things, in my view. I see us as already connected, but people try to connect with me because they see themselves as separate. I want to say, no, we are already one.

I feel like I'm addicted to truth.
 
Get off the drugs for a while. Although they can allude to the "doors of perception", when relied on too much they get distracting. Sobriety and peace of mind will bring real clarity, away from drug delusion.
 
RS, I'm in a similar position to you right now, though I don't blame psychedelics for it. I would really love to discuss this more with you because I'm at a real crossroads. In my case, the "truth" is conflicting with my necessity to dive into mundane reality and accomplish more material security, despite how illusory and meaningless it all seems. I imagine though that people at all stages of development struggle with this. I can't simply dismiss what I have learned, and likewise I can't just conclude that psychedelics have somehow fucked me up.

The problem is that the societal model and systems we are expected to partake in are all based on lies. You're not addicted to truth, you simply just can't ignore the truth. Maybe if you had a lesser conscience you could.

You can't undo the red pill. All you can do is try to link up with people who are on a similar wavelength of understanding, which is hard because our world is so antithetical to what we know is true. But it's what you have to do. In an ideal world there would be entire communities for people like us to easily integrate into, where our wisdom and experience would be valued; but the world as is, right now, has different values.

My fear is that the psychedelic aspect to all this has really put me in a position of permanently feeling I'm not quite in the same dimension as most other people. Where they see one path I see many levels and dimensions to the path, which can be immobilizing. That's what the red pill does.

L2R's suggestion might work, or it might not. I don't feel that this is some kind of HPPD or hangover. It's genuine awareness. I haven't done a psychedelic in more than half a year and I don't feel the truth getting anymore distant.
 
You may or may not have gone too far with psychedelics, but you have not gone too far philosophically. In fact, it sounds to me like you haven't gone far enough with it. The lofty ideals revealed by psychedelics, like that of oneness, are useless bullshit if you can't square them with life. Instead of seeking higher and higher understanding you should focus instead on practical application of what you've come to learn, that too is philosophy. Also, could you elaborate on your difficulties relating to people?

And Foreigner, have you read The Myth of Sisyphus and other essays? If you're struggling with the meaninglessness of daily life it is a must read.
 
Roger&Me said:
this.

the feelings that the op describes are a direct pharmacological effect of psychedelics, things return to normal after a period of absence from the drugs.
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i agree and disagree, no duh if you are deep into a daily pcp induced delusion things are going to be overwhelming and wonky.

but implying sobriety is going to erase memories of experience, is absurd.

yes naturally the brain will reintegrate to a baseline-illusion of preceptor stimulus, and with mindfulness grounding of yourself you can exist in somewhat peaceful human state

but once you have reached and for that secret, and fell deep enough, it only goes deeper

even when you know you can always question why, and there is noway to comprehend the spectrum in this state

Foreigner said:
The problem is the societal model and systems we are stuck in. you simply just can't ignore the truth.
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FTFY

The core of this issue is environment, you can be set, have a setter, but the setting at large, speaking terms of globally is a bad-trip.
 
Foreigner said:
RS, I'm in a similar position to you right now, though I don't blame psychedelics for it. I would really love to discuss this more with you because I'm at a real crossroads. In my case, the "truth" is conflicting with my necessity to dive into mundane reality and accomplish more material security, despite how illusory and meaningless it all seems. I imagine though that people at all stages of development struggle with this. I can't simply dismiss what I have learned, and likewise I can't just conclude that psychedelics have somehow fucked me up.

The problem is that the societal model and systems we are expected to partake in are all based on lies. You're not addicted to truth, you simply just can't ignore the truth. Maybe if you had a lesser conscience you could.

You can't undo the red pill. All you can do is try to link up with people who are on a similar wavelength of understanding, which is hard because our world is so antithetical to what we know is true. But it's what you have to do. In an ideal world there would be entire communities for people like us to easily integrate into, where our wisdom and experience would be valued; but the world as is, right now, has different values.

My fear is that the psychedelic aspect to all this has really put me in a position of permanently feeling I'm not quite in the same dimension as most other people. Where they see one path I see many levels and dimensions to the path, which can be immobilizing. That's what the red pill does.

L2R's suggestion might work, or it might not. I don't feel that this is some kind of HPPD or hangover. It's genuine awareness. I haven't done a psychedelic in more than half a year and I don't feel the truth getting anymore distant.
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I totally agree with you. I feel like this knowledge can really be a burden, but I certainly wouldn't want to become ignorant again. It just makes the decision to go be a monk seem like an easy one, which I was planning on when I graduated college, but then I fell in love and it changed things, so as of yet I'm stuck at a crossroads of life in a big way.

EliCash said:
And Foreigner, have you read The Myth of Sisyphus and other essays? If you're struggling with the meaninglessness of daily life it is a must read.
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I definitely am, and haven't read that, but it is on my bookshelf and I was looking for something to read!
 
RhythmSpring said:
I feel like I have swallowed the horse-pill version of the red pill. I've dabbled much in psychedelics, especially Salvia. I really appreciate the wisdom Salvia has to offer (mostly imparted during oral experiences, not smoked), but it has made my perspective quite... absolute?

I feel like everything is ultimately in vain. Because everything is temporary and unsustainable, I can't find it in myself to get behind or believe in something other than the destruction of illusion. I feel like the more illusion I strip down, there are more layers underneath. But the deeper I go, the further away I get from where it seems everybody else is in society. It makes it very hard for me to relate to people. I want absolutely love and truth all the time, and other people want to talk about mundane things, in my view. I see us as already connected, but people try to connect with me because they see themselves as separate. I want to say, no, we are already one.

I feel like I'm addicted to truth.
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What "truth" are you addicted too?

Who do you think you are? Where do you think you are?

I don't think your as "far out" as you "claim" to be.. or as you 'think' are.

From my experience with Salvia.... It pretty much had nothing to offer. It put me in a very low and dense vibrational state.... Also substances like Salvia...make you very vulnerable to parasites..or parasitic entities.... Same with DMT.

Psychedelics used improperly... will actually stunt spiritual growth.
 
GodandLove said:
Psychedelics used improperly... will actually stunt spiritual growth.
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Just curious, how would you define proper use?

My journey with psychs seemed like proper use at the time but because of my cross-roads I can't help but wonder if it was either one big illusion or I am just having trouble reconciling certain truths with the current reality of human living.

EDIT: Correction, I don't think it was all one big illusion. I can't deny what I've learned, and experienced. It's evidential. So my issue must lie somewhere in the latter dilemma.
 
moderate use is proper use. when abused it leads in all sorts of delusional misdirections. this is coming from experience. i recognise many of the signs of this in the OP (as have others).
 
Foreigner said:
Just curious, how would you define proper use?
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Proper use.... depends on the individuals level of development. I personally would recommend that you stay far away from psychedelics. Especially in a world that is so demanding...a world that requires sober attention.

An equivalent of improper use....In the wrong hands....is the same as giving a loaded 44 to a 3 year old child. You're not developed enough to understand what is happening within... You have no control over it.

Also, what exactly did you experience?

What truth do you think your getting at?
 
Sounds like you need to take 2 steps back, take a big deep breath. Then proceed to ask yourself what it is that your so desperatley trying to find?
Truth and love are the two most important factors in progressing in healthy relationships. Unfortunatley, we don't always rest on our laurels. In other words we as humans fuck up, turning our heads away from the truth because the truth is a hard pill to swallow.
As far as not being able to connect and relate with your peers due to your deep introspection of what the meaning of life is. Well, we are all on diffrent playing fields. There are those of use who understand who we are and accept our exsistance in time and space. Then there are those of us who waste time and take up space. I truley hear what it is that your saying but maybe the illusions of what you thought to be were true, were simply a moment of self-realization. A turningpoint in how you will choose to manage your life in our holographic universe.
It sounds a lot like your floating around in the back of your mind somewhere telling yourself you understand when your really unfocused on the happenings of daily life, chewing on questions that you very well may never have an answer for. It's important to be aware but over preceiving a reality that is nothing more than what you make it can take you away from the most important aspect of living. Acceptance of what you do not have control over and being able to let go and let the power of the universe make the world go round.
You are admirable for wanting to share your deep rooted connection with the rest of humanity but the rest of humanity is content with accepting reality for what it truley is, existing with those that are dearest to us and moving forward oppsed tobackwards in life, Merely grasping simple ideas with simple impressions of what a
meaningful life on this planet means. Exsisting with people but leaving the deep truth and love shit for the people dearest to them.Not everyone wants to open themselves up. Its a scary feeling to lay it all down on the line. I'm not saying its not something worth pursuing, i'm just saying that shit doesnt have to be soley based on your preceived notion of what things should be, they can very well remain mundane.

I beleive your a step few steps a ahead of the majority of people out there, for i believe that most people never have the chance of exploring the mulitude of dimension this life has to offer. There is so much more than gossip, fashion and how much coke charlie sheen can snort of a strippers tits.

I really hope that i was able to give you another person perspective of what you are going through and if none of this was relivant to what you were looking for when you posted the thread then i hope you find the answers your looking for.
 
Lay off the drugs. If you want to know the truth you got to go the sober route or you'll end up with muddy and confused realizations.

You're addicted to the experience of taking drugs and the escape it provides from the real world. You can not live in that state, and you can not live in the Enlightened state either. Once you have the truth you have to come back down to earth. That is this life, that's how it is.

We may all be one but that does nothing for practical day to day living. And not everyone is ready for that revelation. Stop trying to play God and you'll feel better.
 
"Remember, Be Here Now" was a huge help for me, interpreting what I had witnessed.
 
DubNaut said:
but once you have reached and for that secret, and fell deep enough, it only goes deeper
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the feeling that there is some type of "secret" underlying physical reality is a direct pharmacological effect of 5-HT agonist psychedelics.

i've done more lsd than anyone i know, been to that place where all sensory stimulus becomes one single thing, "all is one" etc etc, countless times. i'm a money-grubbing republican now. give it some time off the drugs and things will return to normal.

the issue is pharmacological not philosophical
 
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