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Has science merely disproved the notion of a personal god?

Proof is for mathematics and liquor - science deals in evidence, nothing more nothing less. Science doesn't have to prove or disprove anything, religion needs to demonstrate that there is evidence to support its contentions.
 
Yes, only this evidence tends to be more personal and subjective, and not something that can be proven the way a scientific fact can. It mainly comes from the inside. While science deals with the outside.

Just because one person can sense the consciousness and even emotions of a tree doesn't mean someone else can. Even if they're looking at the same tree. The "evidence" must be found in the consciousness of the one who looks.

In other words, God isn't going to descend to reveal himself to you. It's you who have to rise to see him. As long as you can't do that you will live without God.
 
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In other words, God isn't going to descend to reveal himself to you. It's you who have to rise to see him. As long as you can't do that you will live without God.

Tell that to Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, Muhammad.. Fuck.. Tell that to Jesus.

In the mean time.. anecdotal evidence is not evidence..

Otherwise how do you know the mad man that killed his wife and kids because "God told them to" or because "They were possessed by Satan" wasn't telling the truth?
 
That's just how Jesus was able to experience God, and all the other genuine mystics who's come here.

If we all had access to this experience it wouldn't be "anecdoctal" anymore. And it's certainly not anecdoctal to the one who gets to experience it. Lacking any direct personal experience of God everything is no more than anecdoctal.
 
Why do some people want physical proof that God exists? Science, physics, astrology, and laws that govern the universe are irrelevant when we're talking about a Being & Spirit that transcends the physical realm. If your looking for God in our material world, you're not going to find anything.
 
I've always said "You can't find physical proof for something non-physical".

It's maybe the most comparable to love. You can't really find any significant physical "proof" that love exists. Still, there exists plenty of personal, subjective, and "anecdoctal" (what a bad choice of word for this discussion) experiences that point to that it does exist.

And since we are many enough who have had these experiences we accept it as a reality without much in the way of physical "evidence" (a mother with her new-born child would only count as anecdotal).

So where do you look? In the non-physical. By stopping all this obsessing over the physical.

And if someone can look into it, but not you, don't blame them for it. If I can see the love in someone's eyes, and you can't, don't blame ME for that. Blame yourself and your poor eye-sight, love takes time to get to know, or just keep believing I'm just imagining things.
 
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I think what Foreigner had to say about the concept sums it up well enough and there's not really much need for much further comment than that.
 
i just think its something far beyond our understanding and i think its supposed to be. I dont think something comes from nothing either. Most scientist do not have an answer when asked what started all this. Quantum physics experiments have certainly challenged the current laws of physics that have been around for so long with conclusions that show the act of human observation can play a part. So at the moment it seems that scientist have more questions then answers. Its ego that tells us we can figure everything out. To me, Ive seen too many things in this world that tell me that this isnt just all a chance thing. The beauty of how the human body works is not a fluke thing. Its just designed too perfect for that. Power of prayer is very real. So many complex things out there just cant be some random formation of stardust. I think you can have all the systems of science in place with a entity, beyond anyones understanding, that is behind it. Why cant they coexist?

And fuck, if it gets someone through their day and they're happy as well as a good person, who has the right to tell that person what to believe and not too. It has no bearing on you so just have your opinion and mind your own business
 
^I get what you are saying, but you might find reading about the Watchmaker analogy if you haven't already done so. It offers some insight into the idea of whether complexity is indicative of design.

I feel that workings of the universe in general is hard to accept as being random. There appears to be so much order that is suggestive of a structured and purposeful intelligence... But, consider the idea of entropy and heat death; the universe could be heading to an inevitable state of neutrality, where all matter is dispersed evenly and there exist no differences in temperature and other physical properties anywhere in space. Our current era could appear complex simply because we happen to exist at a time of 'ordered complexity', which is nevertheless just a random, temporary epoch which presages the almost eternal slide through entropic dissolution. And we may only be able to exist at such a given time, when matter is denser and more easily intermingles. That perspective, if it made sense at all, would say that this creation, such as it is, appears purposeful because of our short-sighted point of view. In the 'real' and timeless view, our world will leave no traces as it, too, is scattered across the skies. I don't think this idea has been proven by any means, but if it was, I feel that it almost removes the concept of an active, ongoing creator entirely. It still allows for my own personal 'belief', that of the once off, universe-creating god/intelligence that set the whole thing going, and then stepped away...
 
^I feel it is an important word in that context. I just meant that, the idea of a personalised god that responds to ones desires and judges ones actions feels antiquated to me when I consider the universe as being god-like in its sheer existence. That may be my own personal conception of a new type of god. So, science has (to me- I should have stated that in my OP) disproved only one aspect of the possible godhead/creator. "Merely", the personal-god fairytale bit.

Unfortunately, I got side-tracked. ;)
 
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