Kratom Has anyone had difficulties with suboxone not doing much for 7 hydroxy withdrawls?

[ickray]

I've been taking 7oh for almost four months now at around anywhere from 300 to 500mg a day, pushing off quitting for just one more week. You know the typical addict behavior. I have about 50 8mg suboxone strips so I figured when the bank account gets low enough I'll taper off with a short suboxone taper like I did with regular MIT extracts. I was taking upwards of 500mg+ a day of said MIT in the form of shots and capsules. A single 8mg strip of suboxone about 6 hours after my last dose of MIT not only took every single withdrawal symptom away, but I actually felt a bit of euphoria from the sub, something I'd never feel when using it come off of harder opiates in the past. With that first sub, all cravings for MIT dissipate.

Anyway, I know 7oh is much more potent than MIT but an 8mg sub even 12 hours after my last dose seemingly does nothing for my withdrawals. I'm still sweaty, nose running like crazy, aniexity through the roof. Not to mention the cravings for 7oh aren't dulled even a little bit. Worse of all, I can take 100mg and although slightly dulled, I can still feel most of it and my withdrawls dissappear for a few hours.

Has anyone else had issues like this where taking a potent drug like suboxone barley touches withdrawal from high dose 7oh? Either this stuff is much much more potent then we even know or the pharmacology still isn't truly known, because how can a drug like suboxone which has helped dull withdrawls from oxy and heroin in the past, not be able to touch a substance that is sold at virtually every smoke shop and corner store in America?

Looks like the plan is to jump back on MIT extract for a few days which actually helps dull about half of the withdrawal and then to a short sub taper. I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has had issues with subs who were taking high doses of 7oh daily.

 

[Tsimmons850]

1,000% understand what you're dealing with. I and prescribed oxy/hydro and with morphine. Somewhat small doses but have to take 80 mg of oxy. Help the withdrawals from 70h. At first I didn't want to believe that the 7oh was as potent I don't even get high off my prescriptions anymore, it is almost exactly like if I was on methadone. From what I read it has a binding Element to the receptor 14 times as Strong as morphine. So it pretty much on to the receptor and fills it up. But whatever The pharmacology is. Where you get yourself in trouble is ordering The 708 powders off of the internet. They don't sell 7oh powder extracts at smoke shops. But I agree, we're dealing with a huge misunderstanding of that drug. I was shocked when I caught myself wanting 70h been wanting My doc opiate.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

I don't know about using it for 7oh but even for H I disliked it. Subuxone works very differently some people. Like me personally. I get headaches and need higher dosages as to when I use just clean buprenorphine.

 

[Quasimoto]

I had a similar experience. I switched from 300mg 7oh to 2mg subs. It did not stop all of the withdrawals, but made it bearable. Took about 5 days to adjust. Now I'm stuck on subs, but it's more manageable.

 

[thurston]

Either this stuff is much much more potent then we even know or the pharmacology still isn't truly known

Yes

 

[Them Witches]

The 7-HOM is turning into an interesting topic and the people that take right now are the test studies

 

[Them Witches]

I am going to start referring to 7-HOM & PI+7-HOM as the "heroin versions" of Kratom. It seems to fit the bill well. I have a family member that is dependent of both and she has tapered her doses. Yet she gets bad withdrawals from it.

Side Note -- Due to the flood of "junk blues" moving into every area of the US, the demand for "real 30's" has gone up. Some people are selling their Rx's and some are getting $50 per 30mg. Just like 20 years ago when people could not afford Oxycotin OC's anymore, they moved to heroin. Except now instead of heroin it will be powder fentanyl or 7-HOM & PI+7-HOM. The snowball keeps rolling right through summer.