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Has anyone else experienced the void?

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One day my friends and I decided to shroom instead of our usual pharmaceuticals and weed, and according to multiple people the gold caps we picked up were AMAZING. The three of us ate our bags and walked to a friend's house to smoke bowls. After an hour and a half intense visuals started, so far so good. Not much longer after that, the apartment we were in began to fade into empty white space, no furniture or objects of any kind, just people who lost all definition and seemed to speak a different language. At this point i had lost control of my thoughts and actions, had such a bad panic attack that for a short time i considered suicide but quickly dismissed the idea when i became aware i wasnt alone in that hellish trip. just as my trip went bad both of my friends did as well. Out of 7 mushroom experiences, ive never lost control of my trip except for this time. Utter confusion, continuously changing emotion, overwhelming anxiety and visuals so intense i had no idea i was inside a house. After the trip, the friend who supplied the damned Psilocybin, informed us that each person got 5 grams because he wanted too see the outcome.
It was my 7th and last mushroom trip. My opinion now, psychedelics are for hippies. Opiates, brew, weed, and amphetamines are real drugs.
 
I don't think your "real drugs" and "for hippies" distinction will earn you many friends around here, but I'm sure you know that. It seems a little peculiar that after describing an extraordinarily powerful experience on mushrooms you say they aren't "real drugs". I assume by this you mean drugs you have any interest in taking and not drugs that can have very powerful effects, right?

Sorry you had a rough time. 4-HO-DMT is an extremely powerful psychedelic and considered by many to be among the 'darkest' in terms of potential for bad trips or negative thought loops. I have no interest in whether you decide to pursue psychedelics in the future, but it's worth pointing out that almost any other serotonergic psychedelic would be less likely to produce difficult trips in my experience. Phenethylamines tend to be a much milder experience. At any rate, I would be very wary of trying any drug at all similar to anything that gave me suicidal thoughts, even briefly, so I can understand why you may want to write off psychedelics altogether. They've been both valuable and a ton of fun for me, but not every drug is for everyone. Alcohol and amphetamines don't get along with me in general, but if you enjoy them then I wish you luck with 'em. Myself, I'll be marveling at the fact that most of the 2C-*s are still legal in the US.

As for the void, it's a pretty common metaphor for intense psychedelic experiences as well as a common theme in many (post)modern philosophies. Just about everyone here has their own stories on that front. I won't bore you with my own interpretations of it, but if you feel like rummaging through my post history it shouldn't be hard to find me rambling about Lacan at some point about the void ;)
 
I haven't personally experienced the 'void' however I feel that all drugs have that potential "bad trip" formula somewhere within them. I always keep in mind that it's not always your concious mind, infact its the sub-concious, the lucky dip as I like to call it. You never know what's going to come out of it so you better damn well be prepared because sometimes things happen that you have no control over.

Though I dont agree that psychedelics arent 'real drugs', I find that theres a distinct difference between psychedelics and drugs of different classes like amphetamines or weed that have a one track sort of experience. Atleast in comparison to psychedelics.

just my 2 cents. Peace %)
 
sounds pretty awesome
try to go back to the void and figure it out.
im sure you would gain valuable insight
 
^^^

Agreed, I'd say most other classes of drugs are a lot more similar to each other than psychedelics are to any of them. Weed can blur the line a bit but it's still far less... 'weird' than the serotonergic psychedelics. Most drugs are easy to think of as a simple sensation or experience that you the conscious ego can subject yourself to at will. Psychedelics are almost more of an encounter than a simple sensation - they have more forceful 'presence' or personality than most other drugs. Personally, I think it's because they tap into the unconscious much more effectively than most drugs, but that's another matter entirely.

MDMA can lead to a lot of the same valuable insights people glean from psychedelics, although the experience itself is quite different and has wider appeal as a recreational drug with less potential for darkness or difficulty.
 
Satori, samdhi, dharmakaya, night of pan, nirvana, union....yes.

My opinion now, psychedelics are for hippies. Opiates, brew, weed, and amphetamines are real drugs.
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How sad, you let the chance at actually discovering REALITY be dismissed by stereotypes.

But, fear not, the stereotypes will forge ahead and leave the real drugs in the hands of capable sleep-walkers. When you wake up, thank your inner god for that.

Eat more mushrooms. Fuck amps, opies and alch. The mind is meant to open, not close :)

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swilow u got that right every time i enter a psycadelic experience i come out the other side feeling a sense that i have learned something great even if what i have learned is not all that obvious at the begining and every trip leads me further on the path of "enlightenment"
personally i have never experienced this "void" but it would be intresting to, i think there is a lot to learn from your experience you just need to open your mind and let it be shown
 
Calling them "Gold caps" is just an idiots way of trying to make normal cubensis sound exotic - and probably make you pay a little more.
 
Why do so many people argue psychedelic vs other drugs. They all have their own time & place to enjoy them. No need to stick to one or the other.
 
All drugs have their positives - there's no need to rag on one and praise another. Each person will have their own preference.
 
My opinion now, psychedelics are for hippies. Opiates, brew, weed, and amphetamines are real drugs.
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Alcohol is a toxin. Mushrooms is a much better drug. Alcohol is for brain dead losers who harass other people needlessly and experience incontinence from the massive intake of low quality beer.

If you can't handle a high dose mushroom trip you don't know how to live life yet.

Even Captain Heroin's going to tell you that psychedelics > opiates.
 
If you make distinctions like this about drugs you'll only miss out on great oppurtunites. I can't even see how you could call some drugs real and others fake. The drugs you call "real" don't even offer real feelings only a facade of good things that wear off into even worse feelings after. When you take pyschedelics the things you feel are from the heart be it astounding euphoria or bone crushing pain.
 
I'm surprised at some of the responses here. How can you even compare psychedelics and opiates or alcohol for that matter? They're completely different drugs that can all be used responsibly if the user is responsible with their use. There are pros and cons to all drugs, obviously some have more cons then pros and vice-versa, but to compare them and say 'X' drug is better then 'Y' drug is just stupid IMO, especially drugs that act on entirely different parts of the brain.

Captain.Heroin said:
Alcohol is a toxin. Mushrooms is a much better drug. Alcohol is for brain dead losers who harass other people needlessly and experience incontinence from the massive intake of low quality beer.

If you can't handle a high dose mushroom trip you don't know how to live life yet.

Even Captain Heroin's going to tell you that psychedelics > opiates.
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That is such a rediculous comment, who are you to say what is the 'right' way to live? and that people who can't handle a high dose of mushrooms don't know how to live? I absolutely love psychedelics, (mushrooms, LSD, DMT) - all incredible drugs with so much to offer. One thing they have taught me is to not put myself on some pedestal just because I have opended my mind and expanded it to incredible lengths with these drugs and may be more 'aware' then the average person. Everyone chooses their own path, there is no 'right' one, it's upto the individual to decide that. Live and let live.

Having said that, I personally prefer psychedelics to most drugs and don't enjoy something like alcohol anywhere near as much but I'd never even compare them. Both have their uses, albeit these uses may be infinitely different. Saying that one drug or class of drugs is better then another is just opinion and not 'fact'. You shouldn't state opinions like that as facts.

swilow said:
I can't see much positive in opiates to be truthful.
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Not sure if your kidding, but what about people with chronic pain or strong pain in general? Cancer patients, broken bones etc. Opiates are hugely useful in a medical sense.

I think the OP needs to look deeper into their mind as to what actually happened and try to gain something from it. As it is IMO that 'the void' or 'dissolution of one's ego' is one of the most amazing things someone can experience and there is a huge amount to learn from such an experience. I've only experienced it once on smoked DMT and it was probably the most eye-opening thing I've ever had happen to me in terms of understanding the human mind and how people go about their lives. All put in motion due to their egos and basic instinct. LSD has also played a major part in my understanding of the inner workings of one's and my own mind, aswell as the world and things on a greater scale.

I've said enough, I just don't like drug elitism of any kind, they're tools and like tools they all perform different functions. Even hedonistic-type drugs used purely for enjoyment have their place.
 
i noticed the same sort of experiences happening more and more often when i was a frequent mush user, but i often wonder if it is not due to heavy disassociative use such as dxm and dramamine and the like when i was really young(12-14)??? i regret even doing these things to my mind when it was still very much developing. anybody else recognize this in themselves?
 
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