Had my first panic attack last night -- HELP

[ABCDFG I Ate The E]

Okay first of all.. i weigh 125 lbs, i'm 5 10' and i'm 17 years old.

So yesterday I did alot of MDPV. Can't even guess on the dosage because it was cut alot. I did at least 100mg but like i said.. it was cut ALOT. and i ended up redosing probably 50mg 4-5 hours after my first few doses.

note: i just remembered this, i was shaking/trembeling ever since the redose.

I was feeling fine all day, speeding out like fuck but felt fine. I went home around 9 : 30, and was kind of worried about not getting to sleep because i had school the next day. So around 10 :00 i popped 3 benedryls, smoked some weed and just chilled till around 11-12, when i decided 1 more benedryl will probably put me to sleep. So around half an hour after taking the 4th benedryl, i decided to try to go to sleep. As soon as i closed my eyes and tryed to drift off.. i felt the need to swallow, but it was really hard to.

i tryed to ignore this feeling and keep my eyes closed but it was just this anxious feeling of needing to swallow, but the bad feeling was more in my chest then anything. it was really distracting so i sat up and tryed to swallow and get this feeling to go away. it was a really weird feeling, i had no clue what it was at first because it never happened to me before. it was around this time i decided to check my heart. i noticed BIG heart palpilations (which i have NEVER gotten before either). like my heart would beat really hard, then skip a beat, then go 2 in a row and it was starting to freak me out.

by the minute it seemed to be getting worse.

at first it seemed like a unwanted feeling in my throat/chest but now i noticed it was getting hard to breathe. i would take the biggest breath possible and it still felt like i needed more oxygen. so i started hyperventalting, trying to get oxygen in me, but it was only making it worse. i went on my ipod and went to google and typed in 'not beating able to breath on speed' and found out what was going on... i was having a panic attack.

im on my ipod touch at this time and i was shaking so bad it was almost impossible to type. + being on 4 benedryl i was starting to trip oout.. only making it worse.

so after probably 5 minutes i managed to type in 'how to get rid of panic attacks' . and found some sites that i read. the only advice i really found was breathing exercises. which i tryed for a long time. at least 30 minutes i tryed to get a linear breathing pattern going but i couldnt. started hyperventalting again.

i also learned on the sites that the best way to get rid of one.. was to know it's all in your head, you're not going to die/have a heart attack. this kind of calmed me down but i still felt the worse feelings EVER. i remember thinking at one point.. if i had a million dollars i would give it all away just for this feeling to go away. it was terrible.

eventually it kind of died down and i passed out around 2:30. woke up at 5 30 and couldnt get back to sleep. skipped out on school cause i felt like shit, still do.

now it's the next day and i feel like my breathing still isn't right and i am SO SCARED of having another panic attack.



any advice on this anyone?
do i need to go to a doctor? i want to, but i don't want my mom finding out about it, because there was drugs involved.

 

[Rogue Robot]

Homeless -> TDS?

May be better suited for PD but will leave it at the discretion of TDS mods.

 

[Sadie]

Hi ABC, Nice to see you here, sorry about the circumstances.

Here goes, I too get panic attacks from that very same reason.

1. It is somewhat in your head
2. the breathing excercises help but only to a point. They will help you control your breathing but they will not make you feel as though you're getting enough oxygen. I've had the whole body turning blue from lack and the red fingertips and nail beds from too much. It is important that you do your breathing. Do as they say, Lie back, put a book on your belly and concentrate.
3. You'll be fine.

The trick for me is distractions. Sometimes I need to go for a walk. If I dont have anything to distract me I never get into a normal breathing pattern. If you ever need any help or talking through you're more than welcome to PM me at any time. You're not the only one to have this happen and I promise you sweetie, you wont be the last.

The first one is the scariest. The ones after simply become bearable. You know what to expect now. Just try to keep the PV usage to less ambitious amounts and you should be fine.

 

[ABCDFG I Ate The E]

Hi ABC, Nice to see you here, sorry about the circumstances.

Here goes, I too get panic attacks from that very same reason.

1. It is somewhat in your head
2. the breathing excercises help but only to a point. They will help you control your breathing but they will not make you feel as though you're getting enough oxygen. I've had the whole body turning blue from lack and the red fingertips and nail beds from too much. It is important that you do your breathing. Do as they say, Lie back, put a book on your belly and concentrate.
3. You'll be fine.

The trick for me is distractions. Sometimes I need to go for a walk. If I dont have anything to distract me I never get into a normal breathing pattern. If you ever need any help or talking through you're more than welcome to PM me at any time. You're not the only one to have this happen and I promise you sweetie, you wont be the last.

The first one is the scariest. The ones after simply become bearable. You know what to expect now. Just try to keep the PV usage to less ambitious amounts and you should be fine.

Thanks for the response.

yeah, i think distractions are a big part of it. last night i woke up to take a piss like twice and during that time my mind was taking over my breathing again, but as soon as i layed down in bed again.. the feeling came back.

thankfully i dont even have 100mg of the pv left (starting with 600 yesterday, but i shared ALOT) and today i'm going to take it alot slower.

 

[Bella Figura]

Hey ABCDFG

I've had plenty of panic attacks both sober and drug-induced and can remember my first one when I was around 16/17 (23 now), so am very familiar.

I'd recommend you take a break from MDPV (and drugs in general) for a little while as doing it again tonight could just make your anxiety worse.

If your anxiety persists, you're best bet is seeing your GP and talking to them about it, you don't need to tell your mother your panic attack was drug-induced. CBT has been used successfully for treating anxiety and its best to nip it in the bud before it gets worse.

Try being sober for a bit and seeing how you feel, I noticed you mentioned phenazepam in another post, I wouldn't recommend self-medicating with benzos (especially potent powdered ones), they're good in the short-term and best prescribed by a doctor but can easily lead to abuse and make your anxiety worse in the long-term if you self-medicate.

Take it easy, have a sabbatical and don't be afraid to get help if it carries on

 

[ABCDFG I Ate The E]

Hey ABCDFG

I've had plenty of panic attacks both sober and drug-induced and can remember my first one when I was around 16/17 (23 now), so am very familiar.

I'd recommend you take a break from MDPV (and drugs in general) for a little while as doing it again tonight could just make your anxiety worse.

If your anxiety persists, you're best bet is seeing your GP and talking to them about it, you don't need to tell your mother your panic attack was drug-induced. CBT has been used successfully for treating anxiety and its best to nip it in the bud before it gets worse.

Try being sober for a bit and seeing how you feel, I noticed you mentioned phenazepam in another post, I wouldn't recommend self-medicating with benzos (especially potent powdered ones), they're good in the short-term and best prescribed by a doctor but can easily lead to abuse and make your anxiety worse in the long-term if you self-medicate.

Take it easy, have a sabbatical and don't be afraid to get help if it carries on

Well I was just talking about having it incase of another panic attack.. not using it besides for that reason

thanks for the advice though

 

[EoTorv]

A general statistical thing about panic attacks without MDPV in the picture: People who have panic attacks are much more likely to be tobacco smokers. Reasons are not known for sure but it might be that smokers have more cortisol and other stress hormones.

Any meditation system that involves conscious breathing or a repeated phrase(mantra) might help. Acute anxiety does not usually happen in a vacuum and besides drugs and present circumstances some exploration of a person's history and emotions may help. Any drugs that lead to acute anxiety often need lower doses or discontinuation, ime.

 

[jonaz]

if ur too focused on the breath ur going to fuck it up and it will not only not feel right, it will just not be right.

that's why u shouldn't focus on the breath too much and just think about something else.
if u can't stop focusing on the breath (rather than thinking thoughts),
then focus on another part of ur body.. like the pressure of the floor on ur feet.

this will take the excess focus away from the breath,
which results in the rhythm getting back to automatic control by the brain.

 

[Mariposa]

A general statistical thing about panic attacks without MDPV in the picture: People who have panic attacks are much more likely to be tobacco smokers. Reasons are not known for sure but it might be that smokers have more cortisol and other stress hormones.

Any meditation system that involves conscious breathing or a repeated phrase(mantra) might help. Acute anxiety does not usually happen in a vacuum and besides drugs and present circumstances some exploration of a person's history and emotions may help. Any drugs that lead to acute anxiety often need lower doses or discontinuation, ime.

I can only speak from my own experience. When I was diagnosed with panic disorder ~10 years ago, I was not a smoker. I was (and remain) highly stressed due to job and life circumstances.

Accepting that my life will never be without stress and that it is is up to me how I handle that stress has been key to my ability to maintain my sanity and health. Cognitive-behavioral therapy with low-dose benzodiazepines (which, oddly, I don't abuse) in addition to a healthy and adaptive lifestyle has kept me mostly in remission. I do not wish to be on benzos forever, but I accept that they work for me.

ABC, stimulants - especially stimulants such as MDPV which increase anxiety by severalfold - are a bad idea in people with panic disorder. Breathing techniques, CBT, and being under professional care will make you more able and capable.

My favorite breathing technique, I call "5-5-5". All it involves is inhaling deeply over a mental count of five, holding your breath for a mental count of five, and exhaling gradually over a mental count of five.

I hope you find peace and tranquility and that you ditch the MDPV - that drug is no good at all. The first one really is the worst. You will not die from panic disorder, though it certainly feels that way at the time. To minimize the likelihood of future panic attacks, see a competent psychiatrist and/or psychologist, and keep your life as happy and tranquil as possible.

My continued best. Peace be with you.

 

[ranunky]

PV is the worst stimulant ever when it comes to bad trips. I had one about 6 months ago that haunts me to this day.

 

[jackie jones]

Speaking as someone with repeated diagnosis of Panic Disorder, I can say that what you need do first is lay off the stimulants. All stimulants, even caffeine or nicotine. Especially keep away from amphetamines and research chemicals, such as the one in question.

See how you feel in a few days, and see a doctor if necessary.

 

[page04z]

Yeah... the ol' panic attack that makes you feel like your brain will explode or your heart is about to crack a rib pumping so hard and fast.

i was there just yesterday actually, the only thing that saved me from full blown panic was that i had a very similar experience about 8 months ago, same exact feeling just different drugs... MDPV was move severe but I had been through it already, it wasn't a full blown shocker like "I feel fine" then "Wow I'm going to die" like the first time.

i was lucky enough to have good friends i could trust with me when the first signs of tachycardia set in... the first experience was a thousand times scarier than the second one. trust me if it happens to you again, which it might, you should handle yourself a hundred times better knowing you can overcome it. Mentality is half the battle, it may feel physical, and you may feel like you've never been this hot or your heart has never pumped that fast... well your chest is beating fast, and you are warmer than normal, its an upper! Just know its just paranoia from the crash causing the emotions to skyrocket.... when something like this happens all you need is some one to talk to who makes you happy (girlfriend, best friend, etc..) because you'll probably feel an irresistible urge to talk 100mph chatterboxing and foaming at the mouth from the life revelation you've thought of, or find some one to tell you this is a normal comedown from larger doses.. but of course now you know. So you can tell yourself that next time :D

Me, personally, handling my own panic attacks:
I morph myself into the greatest philosopher ever known and pick apart things about my life, religion, optimal happiness, where i am and where i want to be in life, etc... i fabricate reasons why I'm the center of the universe and all my decisions were meant to bring me to this point in my life. I find reason where there is none, justify fate and god even if I doubt it and I force myself to be comforted by finding a deeper meaning to your life... hit that point and you will be at the peak of the panic mountain, you're now descending and feeling better every minute. You probably will feel different when the craziness subsides, but thinking about something comforting has always helped me trick myself into easing my heart and mind and riding out the feeling that my heart is about to explode. Having some one there with me was a huge plus too, environment and setting can make all the difference. I can't imagine going through something like that alone...

also watch getting mdpv because of not knowing how much its cut... i bought a gram of it, half a gram lasted 7 of us over 10 hours.... i got it from some one that i was personally friends with which probably saved my life. I was a cocaine user, heavy cocaine user, usually doing huge lines. Without some one telling me not to, that first line i would have done to try this shit would have likely killed me. if you were to get something such as this and were to do the amount you are used to doing, its going to have a very negative impact lol. We were doing very very very small lines. Just be careful man, don't be another statistic. Ok I'm done playing dad.

 

[SpecialK_]

I had a similar experience to yours, by trying to come off a good pill buzz by attempting to knock myself out with a cocktail of drugs and it ended a similar way to yours only I was with a group of friends.
I haven't ever had one since, I expect this would be the same case with you, although I cannot guarantee that. Give yourself time, you had a disturbing experience, in a few days you should be okay and take it easy next time, take your doses earlier if you wish to sleep or go to school the next day.

 

[page04z]

yep, moderating yourself is one of the skills that you realize you dont have until this happens... or you OD... glad this happened bro.

everyone thinks they can handle shit, its just like people who say they can drink x amount and still be fine... whatever, doesn't matter to me, but at some point... like me abusing MDPV causing this shit, made me sooo much more responsible with it last night. I slept fine and woke up at 3am to drive to the beach, alert, awake, and ready to roll.

That feeling is sooo much better that the downer you feel after a day of abusing this shit man... it has a crazy crash if you want to match a good quality cocaine buzz...

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

Speaking as someone with repeated diagnosis of Panic Disorder, I can say that what you need do first is lay off the stimulants. All stimulants, even caffeine or nicotine. Especially keep away from amphetamines and research chemicals, such as the one in question.

See how you feel in a few days, and see a doctor if necessary.

This.

I love coffee, but even decaf has too much caffeine for me

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

If I recall, the average panic attack only lasts like 4-5 minutes, but they seem like they last forever.

 

[Help me please]

I am very phobic and what I do works well for me. Dark room, headphones, zune or iPod full of music for the occassion. I have a playlist with zeppelin and other bands that mellow me out. Lay down and let the music sooth your soul literally. My former shrink used to have me pop a xanax under my tongue for panic attacks but I found this much easier.

 

[thecatsouttathabag]

hey man sorry to hear about this, i suffer with panic/anxiety attacks a lot due to a disorder i have. the first step is to identify whats happening, realise that you are having a panic attack. from here you have a point of refernce, you arnt going to die, this is all a panic attack. relax, i wouldnt reccomend breathing excercises just remain steady and constant.

after this, clear your mind, no meditation unless you dig that, just a clear mind. the less you think the less you worry. ride it out, it subsides, it passes.

 

[ABCDFG I Ate The E]

hey guys, thanks for all the responses :D. It's been about a week now and I haven't had another panic attack, although I did take the PV again the night after and I felt i came close to one..

funny thing is what I thought was MDPV was actually 80% methylone and 20% MDPV. I got it for free from my vendor after I informed him that his MDPV was heavily cut. He emailed me his mistake (I have no clue how this mistake happened.) right away but I didn't check my email until it was all gone.

He got another batch of MDPV now and he sent me 200mg for free because of the last mix-up.

I think now if I do have another panic attack it will be alot easier because I will actually know what is happening to me. I told a few of my friends about this and 2 of them had one within the past month because of JWH-018. I was the first person both of them told and they didn't even know what happened to them until I described what happened to me.

again, thanks for everyones responses in helping me and hopefully it won't happen again.. but if it does, i'll know i'll be alright thanks to all of your help

peace

 

[chompy]

keep benzos on hand. also keep a lunch bag on hand to breathe into.