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Groupwork.

We've all had to work as part of a group at some point, either in our academic careers or in our professions. To some, this is a blessing, as it can seem like you may be able to get away with working less, get paired up with your crush, be grouped with the whiz kid, produce an even better end result, etc. But to others, it's a form of torture. You feel like you are no longer solely responsible for your personal assessment, you might get paired up with slackers, or it might just clash with a more introverted personality.

Clearly there are teachers who abuse the idea of groupwork for their own benefits. Partition a class of students into groups of three or four, and you'll end up only having to grade a fraction of the amount of work you otherwise might have had to grade if each student was assessed individually.

But then you have the argument that groupwork is essentially preparing students for real-world situations, where one will likely be forced to professionally work on a team at some point. Such projects, even if challenging to seem fair to some, in the end are just showcasing the realities of life, helping people learn to work with others sooner than later. In certain fields, especially ones such as business or marketing, this makes the most rational sense.

Being rather introverted, I never really liked groupwork all that much. Both, again, because I am shy. And also, not to boast, but I often ended up doing more than my fraction of the effort, so as to try and "save" my group. And this took up my time and caused for much frustration. But most of all, I objected to the fact that more often than not, grades were given identically across a group, and the teacher was usually so far removed from the internal efforts/organization of the group that identical grades made the most sense.

Now don't get me wrong. Don't think that just because I kind of cringe at the suggestion of groupwork, means that I don't understand the positivies of it (such as those I listed above). I am not, in theory, against groupwork (In fact, I think it's necessary for several fields). What I wish, though, would be that teachers would pay more attention to each individual effort within the group, and assign unique (or at least partially unique) grades to each member. I mean in the worst case scenereo, someone's perfect GPA could be blown by a bad group project, even if this person did everything in his or her will to try and carry the group.

We are paying for University, whereas we would be paid to work a job. To me, if I am paying for an education, I want as little roadblocks standing between me and doing my absolute best in the program(s) as possible. And I've hit a few of them before in bad group situations :X

I think that if a teacher truly wants to prepare students for the teamwork element of a future job, the teacher should act more like a team supervisor than a client being sold a product. To the potential client, it's VERY difficult to assess each individual effort through one presentation or one paper. A supervisor, on the other hand, knows the team-members that s/he supervisies just well enough to assess each on an individual level. Again, too many teacher's I've come across take the easy way out, and just want to act like the potential client.

Supervisors get paid, whereas potential clients often are shopping around on their own tab. If I am going to be putting money into the pockets of my teachers via tuition costs, I want them to take the form of (good) supervisors.

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So let this thread be about teamwork - Do you like/dislike it? Do you think it should be included in the classroom always, sometimes, or never? If it is included, how should it best be assessed? Etc.

Also, to those graduates who are now employed and work (at least) sometimes in team enviornments, did the groupwork experiences you had in during your education prove effective in how you work with a team in your profession? In retrospect, what did you find most helpful? What would you wish would have been different?
 
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I loathe working in groups, for the most part. In my geology classes, at this point, I don't mind it so much since most of the people who would be in a group with me have had the same courses as me and work hard on project. Other classes, I would seriously rather throw myself down a flight of stairs than work in a group. I can't deal with trying to coordinate others to get together and to get others to do their share of the work. Even in chemistry classes, I hated having a lab partner as 2 out of the 3 that I've had were lazy, dumb, and didn't care. :|

With my current job, I sort of work as a group with others, though they are 70 miles away. But after working with them face to face for the first time today, we got a lot of work done, and they are more motivated to get their work done to be send up to me for the completion of said work.
 
I was never very good at clearly expressing my ideas to others, particularly strangers. Also, whenever I met fellow math students, I could never understand what the hell they were talking about either.

However, after getting to know a few people reasonably well, we all kinda got to the point where we could half-way follow eachothers intuition. So, when I was in groups with people I knew like that, group work wasn't so bad.
 
Group-work sucked in undergrad 'cause I'm an arrogant cunt. ;)
I'm a tad introverted too, so we'd often wait around in awkward silence, and then I'd spill out 'the' answer (I don't really take to leading or following). Paper feedback sessions weren't too useful, as I didn't get good feedback (but I also didn't offend anyone either). For graded assignments, I'd do my part (usually letting someone else partition roles) and let the others fail or succeed on their own.

Grad school's a different ball-game. Everyone else is so smart and driven that I always learn something very new to me. The only rough patches are when a member tries to act as 'manager'. It's like herding cats.

I used to assign group-presentations in my courses, but I dropped it, 'cause it was actually more work than planning a normal lesson (they have to meet with me beforehand to make sure they don't misinform everyone), and I noticed that often times, only 2/4 people would do the talking and prep. I left the option open for semi-anonymous complaint over unfair divisions of labor. No one took it over 2 terms.

Now, I just do small group discussions some times to get new faces talking.

ebola
 
Group work was always touch n' go. In my IT program in College, I had a couple gimme courses. One was called "Professional Development" and the other was called "Communications." I'd always do the majority of the work because I was good at brainstorming, writing and presenting. I was an English student in a class full of computer geeks. Funny enough, I was one of the few who actually graduated the program.

When it comes to having a lab partner, I find it 100% easier of that person is a friendly extrovert. I have much more fun with someone who likes to chat while we work. I mean, who wants to spend 3 straight hours working on a Chemistry lab with someone who can't be bothered to help me with a calculation or two? Or who can't help coordinate tasks?

I had a dickhead of a lab partner once in my Networking course. He'd always walk around with a smug look on his face and talk down to me. I'd ask a question and he'd pretend not to hear me. He must've been half my size soaking wet. One day, I gave his stool a good kick and he flew off it and hit the ground. I pretended it was an accident. He was much nicer to me after that. :)
 
I utterly loathe group work.

I'm extremely independent and pretty much pathologically anti-authoritarian. I'm pretty much constitutionally unable to work in groups, or even be a part of any type of group or club; it puts me on other people's schedule, and limits my freedom. Fuck that noise, I rather just get my notes, go home, and then learn the stuff on my own (thats why I like math :)). Classes that require participation in any way, shape, or form tend to seriously piss me off. The one exception being chemistry labs, because they're fun to me. :)

So GTFO professors who make us do lame-o group work! :D
 
I'm. . . pretty much pathologically anti-authoritarian.

So why would the existence of a group oriented toward a shared goal suggest submission to authority?
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Anyway, I think that we should all split into groups of 3-4 to discuss this issue. ;)

ebola
 
I generally hate working in groups. I dunno, I always get crap-luck and end up with one really rude person or something. We work in a group all-year-round in my Bio lab, though, and I actually like that just because the people are really nice.

Only thing worse than getting paired with a slacker is getting paired with a perfectionist ;)
 
At school I HATED groupwork. Wherever possible I'd work on my own minus a group, and I'd ALWAYS get better marks that way. I think it's because there's always a 'too cool for this' person in school groups, who'll just drag the whole group down.
I still hate "groupwork". When I get sent to nonsense HR training type things, there will invariably be GROUPWORK. I think part of the problem is that it's so forced -- in my day to day job, I work with other people all the time - in groups, pairs, whatever. But it's not GROUPWORK -- the purpose is always "let's get this piece of work done" not "let's force ourselves to work together for no reason whatsoever".

Could give a few more logical reasons, but the truth is that I don't find it easy to get along with most people. The 'popular' kids like groupwork, right? Because they like socialising. At work, using "groupwork" as an excuse to socialise is frowned upon. So there's no pressure - just talk about work stuff!

Groupwork. UGH.
 
I always liked groupwork for the practical reason that you could give and receive help from those around you. The social factor was just a (sometimes) bonus.

I don't think people should wear their introversion as a badge of honor. If you've had several bad experiences working in groups, I'd hazard to guess that the common denominator is you -- and that's really no small deal when you consider a typical work environment. Good workers get fired all the time for being altogether unlikeable.

It's just too bad that intellect so often comes at the expense of empathy.
 
I like it. If I run into a rifle section by myself I'm fucked. But I can kill all 8 of them if they are scattered individuals. Group work just pools effort and capacity to execute tasks, any tasks, from researching a new pharmaceutical to war fighting.
 
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