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Greek clonazepam 2mg (Clonotril)
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Hold it .5mg = 10mg of Valium( a bunch of charts) so one, 2mg=40mg of Valium. A big bottle of them,
Not coming to an American State near you. Nothing close, legally in the UK; 5mg Valium for 2-3 weeks if a major problem comes up and is approved?
Not coming to an American State near you. Nothing close, legally in the UK; 5mg Valium for 2-3 weeks if a major problem comes up and is approved?
?Hold it .5mg = 10mg of Valium( a bunch of charts) so one, 2mg=40mg of Valium. A big bottle of them,
Not coming to an American State near you. Nothing close, legally in the UK; 5mg Valium for 2-3 weeks if a major problem comes up and is approved?
What .5mg is 10mg Valium ( diazepam) equivalent; doubled is 1mg which is 20mg of Valium equivalent and double that =2mg, henceforth 40mg equivalent of Valium.
So what is. ? Abbooot, sorry I was thinking about real Canadian Ice beer, and how I never had the pleasure of a few cold ones of it ( I mean a few 6 packs).
Please tell you that you didn't attend schools that were worse than American public schools.
steewith2ees
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We dont get taught bzd equivalencies as part of our formative education as we do not, like more advanced places, understand the sense in that. Clonazepam is considered one of the 'super benzodiazpine's' in common medical use due to its unbelievable potency. Alprazolam is just as strong but as a triazolobenzodiazepine this is to be expected. The 2mg Xanax bars, being the most well known example of the strongest oral products this medicine is available as are the same, = to 40 mg of diazepam. as is Clonazepam.
Considering that diazepam is approx. 3 times as potent as its predecessor, Chlordiazopoxide, the bzd used as a licensed medicine (Librium) I cannot see how the strength of clonazepam is so difficult to comprehend. This post is aimed at the mystery guest who knows how thick I am about everything anyway.
Considering that diazepam is approx. 3 times as potent as its predecessor, Chlordiazopoxide, the bzd used as a licensed medicine (Librium) I cannot see how the strength of clonazepam is so difficult to comprehend. This post is aimed at the mystery guest who knows how thick I am about everything anyway.
axe battler
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Mate I would leave benzos alone, so addictive and withdrawal is hell.
But yeah 0.5mg clonazepam is supposed to be equal to 10mg diazepam, but different benzos have different traits.
I'd much rather take 30mg diazepam than 2mg clonazepam even though it's supposedly weaker. This is because diazepam is a good all rounder with muscle relaxation, where as clonazepam is better for seizures and anxiety.
If they taste minty then they're likely to be legit clonazepam, but this is a rough way of testing, as some others taste minty too.
UK has wedinos who test benzos free. Maybe @Pissed_and_messed could help here as he's Finnish, I think.
I have not tried them yet. Someone said in convincing tone they are superior to galenikas, but it was dealer who said that 
axe battler
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Galenikas are under dosed, so they probably are.I have not tried them yet. Someone said in convincing tone they are superior to galenikas, but it was dealer who said that
yeah it is not very hard to make more powerful product than galenika. They say clonotril are straight from greek pharmacy, if that is so, they are probably decent.
BTW I think galenika rivos were much stronger few years back. Nowadays you really have to let them dissolve before you taste any mint and they do not give proper head spins when you wake up.
But I am going to score one sheet of clonotril for my friend and they gives me one pill for that. I can give my estimation of their strength then.
But I am going to score one sheet of clonotril for my friend and they gives me one pill for that. I can give my estimation of their strength then.
Clonotril/"clonotril" test
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first impression: the dealer was pretty fucking wasted. They could stand and walk upright without visible wobbling, but very confused and absolute pain in the ass to deal with. This commonly implies good product.
appearance: sheet seemed quality and the tablets were sturdy and sharp-lined.
fentanyl test: if I just understand how these test strips work, negative for fentanyl.
taste: chalky, acrid with mint tones. I say acrid rather than bitter, because it felt a bit more pungent than alprazolam. But I am no sure, because I have not also done 100 % legit pharma alprazolam for ages.
effects: came up pretty fast after rolling it under the tongue for while and then swallowing to empty stomach. I feel like doing stupid shit. Feels more reckless than clonazepam. And a bit euphoric. I lost the other half of the pill 3 times in under half hour. Can't remember shit. Very strong effect only from half pill. I can write review tho and I think it looks very coherent.
The last time I did clonazepam it was 100 % legit stuff, so I suspect there could be something more to it than just clonazepam, but then again, it is hard to say anything conclusive from one trial with class of drug where differences between different compounds are somewhat hard to recognize.
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first impression: the dealer was pretty fucking wasted. They could stand and walk upright without visible wobbling, but very confused and absolute pain in the ass to deal with. This commonly implies good product.
appearance: sheet seemed quality and the tablets were sturdy and sharp-lined.
fentanyl test: if I just understand how these test strips work, negative for fentanyl.
taste: chalky, acrid with mint tones. I say acrid rather than bitter, because it felt a bit more pungent than alprazolam. But I am no sure, because I have not also done 100 % legit pharma alprazolam for ages.
effects: came up pretty fast after rolling it under the tongue for while and then swallowing to empty stomach. I feel like doing stupid shit. Feels more reckless than clonazepam. And a bit euphoric. I lost the other half of the pill 3 times in under half hour. Can't remember shit. Very strong effect only from half pill. I can write review tho and I think it looks very coherent.
The last time I did clonazepam it was 100 % legit stuff, so I suspect there could be something more to it than just clonazepam, but then again, it is hard to say anything conclusive from one trial with class of drug where differences between different compounds are somewhat hard to recognize.
i tested them too, feels kinda like galenikas but a bit more euphoric and little stonger like you said. Mistä päin suomee muuten oot :D
helsinki. vois ehkä muuttaa tampereelle joskus kun saan opinnot pakettiin.
juu ite oon kuopiost, aika paljon rottia tullu kuulemma tänne. itekki pitäs opinnot hoitaa loppuun
1-2 times a year I have to deal with some wankstain, but they manage to fuck me over only in 25-33 % of cases.
I have been still affected whole day, I eventually did one whole pill yesterday, so the clonotrils are good stuff and possibly 100 % legit pharma product with 2 mg of clonazepam. I think some dealer even had a picture of package where the sheets were, IDK what that means, one can get any picture by search engine too, but I am just laying out this fact.
e: one more thing; the small piece of pill dissolved in water almost completely, but there were tiny little grains that did not.
e: one more thing; the small piece of pill dissolved in water almost completely, but there were tiny little grains that did not.
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I feel it worth commenting that clonazepam, in common with almost all nitrobenzodiazepines is far more toxic in overdose than other benzodiazepines.
While there are records of people consuming multiple grams of diazepam and escaping with no long-term adverse effects, such doses of nitrobenzodiazepines are regularly fatal.
It also produces one of the nastiest abstinence syndromes of all the benzodiazepines. I suspect this is because it has particular a1 affinity. I believe that research has shown that it's a1 and a5 affinity that are the receptor subtypes most responsible for physical dependence.
I believe someone has also found a paper which asserts that a1 activity is associated with 'dopamine dysregulation' which may also make it more addictive.
On a personal note, several decades of being in the presence of people who misuse benzodiazepines has left me with the impression that the nitrobenzodiazepines produce a more pronounced emotional lability. People who might just be sedated by other benzodiazepines can become exceptionally obstreperous after consuming nitrobenzodiazepines. I mean people would suddenly become highly volatile, aggressive and even violent for not discernible reason.
More than once I've been with people who consumed their entire supply of clonazepam go on to accuse me of having stolen their drugs in spite of my clearly pointing out that they had in fact CONSUMED them all.
Along with alcohol and cocaine, I now try to avoid people who are under the influence of nitrobenzodiazepines.
Used in small doses it's relatively benign in the short term but as others have commented, it's a class of drug that needs users to carefully control their consumption for their own good.
While there are records of people consuming multiple grams of diazepam and escaping with no long-term adverse effects, such doses of nitrobenzodiazepines are regularly fatal.
It also produces one of the nastiest abstinence syndromes of all the benzodiazepines. I suspect this is because it has particular a1 affinity. I believe that research has shown that it's a1 and a5 affinity that are the receptor subtypes most responsible for physical dependence.
I believe someone has also found a paper which asserts that a1 activity is associated with 'dopamine dysregulation' which may also make it more addictive.
On a personal note, several decades of being in the presence of people who misuse benzodiazepines has left me with the impression that the nitrobenzodiazepines produce a more pronounced emotional lability. People who might just be sedated by other benzodiazepines can become exceptionally obstreperous after consuming nitrobenzodiazepines. I mean people would suddenly become highly volatile, aggressive and even violent for not discernible reason.
More than once I've been with people who consumed their entire supply of clonazepam go on to accuse me of having stolen their drugs in spite of my clearly pointing out that they had in fact CONSUMED them all.
Along with alcohol and cocaine, I now try to avoid people who are under the influence of nitrobenzodiazepines.
Used in small doses it's relatively benign in the short term but as others have commented, it's a class of drug that needs users to carefully control their consumption for their own good.
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I'd be interested if you have seen any studies, or have any opinions on the viability of switching from one of the nastier benzos such as clonazepam to something relatively more benign, like etizolam, or even diazepam.
As far as my lived experience goes it has so far been possible to substitute one type of benzo for another, with no real noticeable difference other than getting the dosage right on the new benzo for the same level of desired effects.
IIRC I've switched from etiz and xanax to clonazepam over recent times without issues. I realise that's going in the wrong direction as far as the harm reduction of their relative harms goes. But the vagaries of the clearnet benzo market has kind of forced me into a corner of using clonazepam, due to increasing and ongoing issues with the availability or authenticity of practically all other benzos.
Clonaz seems to the only one that has remained constantly reliable.
In the short term I have plans to experiment with switching from clonazepam to as low a dose as possible of diazepam during my next period of annual leave, which is not all that far away. I'd like to see how low I can push my dose without any rebound symptoms becoming too heavy.
These kind of breaks should at least help prevent my clonaz dose from needing to increase, they might even enable me to reduce slightly. By reducing too much or too quickly though I run the risk of increasing my social anxiety and stress at work so much that I risk damaging my work relationships, which are already one of my biggest challenges at work.
Fortunately I have recently discovered that certain types of weed that are not too strong or high in THC, help calm my mind down over the course of the following day, and also help me socially. So there is potential there of working out some kind of at least partial switch over. Although it's very likely that the benzos and the weed are synergising to make those effects more pronounced. Either works alone, but the afterglow thing with weed definitely boosts the effects. It's a known thing with about 80% of weed smokers surveyed in one survey, stated that they were on the spectrum, and found that their weed use helped them with their anxiety and stress and other related symptoms.
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Well, in the UK at least, diazepam is almost always used for benzodiazepine detoxification. It's generally possible to substitute one benzo for another (except clobazam). It's the side-effect profile of different benzos that is the issue.
The nitrobenzodiazepines are the most like barbiturates in bringing out the very worst in some people. After a few experiences I just stopped hanging around with anyone I thought was using them. Not drug snobbery as such, but more a healthy regard for my own safety. I've seen people do crazy things and what I noted is that you can't talk sense into them. To be accused of stealing drugs and threatened was the last straw. That I had sat and watch them consume said drugs cut no ice.
I know you tend to keep down the dose. But I would have a pad or something so amnesia doesn't creep in and result in redosing. That seems common.