Heroin Google be lying yall

[justlivinman93]

I seen on Google university that you can’t hit yourself with a little bump of thee ole lil narcan ? Why is that? If you feel you’re nodding out like for good to take an old fashioned dirt nap and if you’re able to administer it to yourself why can’t you do it….? I don’t know if I was going out for the count or not but one time I did way to much and I was blacked out but very much doing all kinds of dumb shit in my backyard. This is funny now but it wasn’t then. My wife had a video of it at one point bc she was worried and didn’t know what was going on ( “ I didn’t either” ) had no idea where it came from . But she got the narcan and I dosed myself. Which for the record I wouldn’t wish that feeling on my worst enemy youse guys. It’s fucking HORRIBLE!!!!!! being coherent and awake when you just got a dose. Your brain feels like it’s literally melting man. You’re sweating so much it’s UN FUCK ING REAL!! I shat you not peeps. Where was I. Oh yeah but for never sweat so much in my entire life even compared to a 110 degree day working in an iron foundry which is literally hell on fucking earth. Iron melts at a big whopping 2500 degrees folks yeah it’s fucking unimaginable hot. But anyway your brain feels like it’s melting. Your cramping. It’s pushing it out so fast your kidneys or liver or maybe both are hurting so bad I was damn near on the ground and was having trouble breathing. My heart rate shot up to fucking like 210 BPM….. that’s not good. I should of went into cardiac arrest but for some reason yet again the good lord keeps me around. Why I have no damn clue. But I sweated through 3 shirts in 5-7 mins no exaggerating. And the pain was ungodly. Camps from hell. You wish you was going to die in those minutes foreal. But as soon as I got into the ambulance and I got under their ac blowers it just magically all went away. Weirdest thing I’ve ever experienced in my life physical health wise. But yeah anyway obviously I did it to myself so why the hell does the goog say different?

 

[jasperkent]

My guess is that if you're alone and do a big shot of fent and immediately pass out, there's not much you can do about it at that point.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Google's statement is that one shouldn't rely on your ability to remain conscious long enough to administer NARCAN and is not that one absolutely is not able to do it; but rather that it is not a good practice to rely on you being able to stay conscious long enough to accomplish it. Play the odds long enough and you will probably end up dead.

Up to you to be as careful or carefree as you want but, if you want to practice harm reduction it's not good practice.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

You CAN do it, I've done it twice. BUT every other time of my 18 x total overdoses I was just out for the bloody count - either passed out immediately or the effects ramping up so gradually I overdosed in my sleep and wasn't aware - there was no way for me to realise, never mind do anything about it.

 

[TheGyattDamnRizzler]

Why is google making definitive statements about narcan use like they are apart of the cdc now? I wouldn't trust anything google says ever honestly. Especially when they suppress any information about drugs or not safe topics from there algorithms.

Edit: guys my phone auto corrects me and make me write worst stuff possible, im working on that lol.

 

[justlivinman93]

Google's statement is that one shouldn't rely on your ability to remain conscious long enough to administer NARCAN and is not that one absolutely is not able to do it; but rather that it is not a good practice to rely on you being able to stay conscious long enough to accomplish it. Play the odds long enough and you will probably end up dead.

Up to you to be as careful or carefree as you want but, if you want to practice harm reduction it's not good practice.

Oh really…….? Funny this is literally EXACTLY word for word that shows up. And it’s the very first thing if you google can you narcan yourself.

A person who is experiencing an overdose can't administer naloxone to themselves. Anyone can carry naloxone, give it to someone experiencing an overdose, and potentially save a life. That's why everyone should consider having naloxone. In nearly 40% of overdose deaths, someone else was present.

 

[justlivinman93]

I’m not going to literally create a whole post that long if I didn’t know what I was talking about in about.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

What's also really important is to make people aware that depending on your dose and the timeframe, you're not necessarily gonna be alright after 1 shot of naloxone. Too many people wander off after coming round or go AWOL from the hospital because they're convinced they're fine now. But naloxone has a much shorter half-life than heroin, and once it's out of your system, the heroin or other similar drug you've taken is going to re-attach to those receptors and cause you TO GO BACK INTO OVERDOSE.

I've needed more than one administration before to still be alive; so PLEASE everyone remember there's a reason why the medics will want to have you under observation for a few hours, and if you've given it to a friend, don't assume he'll be good now, STILL go and call an ambulance. And if that person is you someday, FFS don't wake up and be an idiot and run to re-dose your drug because you think you're ok now and want the withdrawal symptoms to stop! Make any user buddies you have aware of this also. People die from ignorance about it.

 

[Keif' Richards]

Overdose is not an absolute terminology. It is a blanket term referring to all kinds of different experiences. It's a word without a clear definition aside from the broad "using too much of a substance". I think you can figure out that they're implying a person who is unconscious cannot administer a drug to themselves, which is accurate. If you are conscious, you can do whatever you want right? This doesn't seem like an earth-shattering discovery.

In general though, someone overdosing will not administer Opioid antagonists to themselves in 99.99% of scenarios. No addict is willingly going to put themselves through precipitated withdrawal if they don't have to. Furthermore, no addict is going to make the determination that they're dying and need the Naloxone. They are far more likely to let the situation unfold, probably not suspecting that they're about to die. Addicts become accustomed to thought processes that are overly-optimistic: I will save some for tomorrow, I will quit by Christmas, I won't get caught stealing... etc. It's my belief that if they're really high, they're more likely to believe that they're going to be alright without the Naloxone.

For the record, I've known people who have administered Naloxone to themselves, but this is a rare phenomenon.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

Overdose is not an absolute terminology. It is a blanket term referring to all kinds of different experiences. It's a word without a clear definition aside from the broad "using too much of a substance". I think you can figure out that they're implying a person who is unconscious cannot administer a drug to themselves, which is accurate. If you are conscious, you can do whatever you want right? This doesn't seem like an earth-shattering discovery.

In general though, someone overdosing will not administer Opioid antagonists to themselves in 99.99% of scenarios. No addict is willingly going to put themselves through precipitated withdrawal if they don't have to. Furthermore, no addict is going to make the determination that they're dying and need the Naloxone. They are far more likely to let the situation unfold, probably not suspecting that they're about to die. Addicts become accustomed to thought processes that are overly-optimistic: I will save some for tomorrow, I will quit by Christmas, I won't get caught stealing... etc. It's my belief that if they're really high, they're more likely to believe that they're going to be alright without the Naloxone.

For the record, I've known people who have administered Naloxone to themselves, but this is a rare phenomenon.

Overdose is any amount that puts your life *potentially* at risk. Which obviously varies from person to person: individual tolerance, potency of the supply, other substances concurrently consumed etc.

It doesn't have to be fatal.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

Oh really…….? Funny this is literally EXACTLY word for word that shows up. And it’s the very first thing if you google can you narcan yourself.

A person who is experiencing an overdose can't administer naloxone to themselves. Anyone can carry naloxone, give it to someone experiencing an overdose, and potentially save a life. That's why everyone should consider having naloxone. In nearly 40% of overdose deaths, someone else was present.

If you CAN'T administer it yourself, please explain how I did exactly that on two separate occasions.

I took a hit, immediately realised 'oh fuck this is too much' and went for the antidote. In both of these successful cases I had a narrow window of maybe half a minute. A couple other times I was aware I was overdosing and tried to go for it, but passed out before I could act. So yeah GENERALLY narcan is useless if you are on your own, but depending on individual dosage and tolerance it still can make the difference between life and death.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I wish they had something that could undo an OD but NOT induce IMMEDIATE SEVERE precipitated withdrawal. When Homeless I literally used to write on my chest in marker "NO NARCAN - I WILL SUE" 'cause I'd rather die than have that kind withdrawal happen*


*Not as shocking as it sounds, I WAS a homeless, bulimic, alcoholic, heroin addicted teenage prostitute with untreated schizophrenia at the time so...not the PEAK of life

Like...think The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things meets Requiem for a Dream meets Slaughtered Vomit Dolls