Good Enough (Body)?

[Ninae]

Good Enough Body (or not)?

Making that post on the health board sadly made me feel a bit self-conscious about my own body (just talking figure, not face here).

Though I mostly feel I've been blessed with a good figure, I often feel a bit insecure as it's a bit heavier than the modern ideal (which is a bit closer to Brigitte Bardot than Marilyn Monroe), and it's in the bone/muscle structure so there's nothing I can do about it.

So will you give me an honest, but not brutal, opinion if I post some pictures of the closest I can find (not going to post my nude pictures here, you can just forget about that). And, P.S. I know I'm vain, or suffer from the sin of vanity, but how can you not when everybody judges you on it?

 

[Ninae]

Just want your honest opinions, here, especially curious about what men really think about this kind of thing.

Of course I know THESE bodies are good enough, that's not really what I'm asking, I'm more interested in what type of figure you like or men see as more ideal these days.

My mother had the perfect female body, so things have always looked pretty good. But mine is like a larger version of her's (she was tiny and I'm 5'7) and I sometime feel a bit self-conscious about being a bit large. Not Anna Nicole-Smith size, or anything like that, but all the same.

So I'll try to show you some similar examples. There are two models whose builts happen to be pretty much identical to my own, so I might as well stick to those. Just I'm not as massive, and my breasts aren't that generous (or about 36C when I'm skinny enough, always thought that was enough, so I'm not planning to change anything there).

Try to see behind all the glamour of these photo shoots, though, it's too easy to be blinded by that. But that's not real life, or how women look in the flesh, these days with photo-shop and magic lighting, obsessive exercising, and everything. Just try to focus on the basic shape, size, and proportions, though I probably can't reach that level of perfection. Can't help enjoy seeing my kind of figure presented in such a glamorous way, though. Enjoy the gallery.

 

[Ninae]

Comment?

Or do guys these days really like this type of figure?

Looks nice to wallow around in, doesn't it?
(I'm not going anorexic either way)


I look the most like Helena Christensen, although I'm not as huge as her.

There are also some issues with this figure (not much waist, squarish shapes, etc.)

 

[bit_pattern]

FWIW - I much prefer good solid curves to the waif "ideal" promulgated in the media. My initial thought when I saw our post in the HL thread was "shit, she's probably pretty hot". I love big thighs, big arse, big hips, big titties and lots of jiggly bits. The women in your pics - in my opinion - still need to get some meat on those bones.

I heard a theory once that I still subscribe to - the waif image was promoted by fashion designers in the 70s and 80s who were actually gay, paedophile men who wanted women to look like prepubescent boys. A real women has a curvy, child bearing body.

 

[Ninae]

Seriously?

I know the women in those pictures look great, but they're supermodels, and even if their figures weren't your usual type you'd probably still like them.

Just makes me wonder sometimes, as many men like REALLY skinny women. Like, my uncle likes women who are built like 12-year old girls (even though he's built like a giant himself) and calls that "normal".

I don't know what he needs women to be so thin for. I have no chance of that because of my underlying built to begin with, but if I weigh anything over 60 kilos he looks at me like I'm overweight, and would probably never consider me "normal" no matter how much weight I lost.

And 10 kilos below your height, or 1.70/60 kilos is considered ideal in professional health circles.

But maybe some guys have a fetish for larger builds like some have a fetish for small builds?

Interesting, although I consider myself pretty average, from my own opinion.

 

[421]

Weight distribution is more important than total mass (ass should be bigger than stomach).

 

[Ninae]

The first model is a bit chubby by modern standards, but has her excess fat in all the right places. So she's lucky and doesn't need to worry so much about weight. While some gain it in unfortunate places like the face or around their waistline and can barely afford any excess weight.

I usually gain water weight in my breasts and thighs so they can become huge then shrink again over night.

 

[alasdairm]

my advice would be to stop caring so much what other people think.

alasdair

 

[Ninae]

As soon as I saw your name I knew there would be some sort of criticism coming. Some can also find it interesting to discuss these things. And it's a bit hard to ignore if someone finds you fucking fat.

 

[alasdairm]

^ by starting a thread, you are implicitly asking for my opinion. why, then, is there a problem when i give it?

if somebody finds you fat, that says so much more about them than it does about you. take my comment at face value.

if you disagree with my advice let's talk about it? what is the value in basing your opinion of yourself and your self-esteem on what other people think?

alasdair

 

[Ninae]

^ by starting a thread, you are implicitly asking for my opinion. why, then, is there a problem when i give it?

if somebody finds you fat, that says so much more about them than it does about you. take my comment at face value.

if you disagree with my advice let's talk about it? what is the value in basing your opinion of yourself and your self-esteem on what other people think?

alasdair

You misunderstand. What I meant was that you only reply to criticise me for some reason or another. At least as far as I can remember.

 

[Ninae]

One of my goals in life is to look as good as Britt Ekland when I'm old (minus the wrinkles, we know how to avoid that now, no need for face-lifts or fillers either).

She's still so lovely I think some men still would.

 

[alasdairm]

You misunderstand. What I meant was that you only reply to criticise me for some reason or another. At least as far as I can remember.

criticism can be both constructive and destructive. the criticism i am offering is intended to be constructive.

i believe that, when you choose to be a slave to the opinions of others, you're making an unhealthy choice.

if you disagree with my advice let's talk about it? what is the value in basing your opinion of yourself and your self-esteem on what other people think?

alasdair

 

[Ninae]

I think you know I'm quite strongly individualistic and don't listen that much to what other people say, a quality which can also annoy others.

But no man is an island and we all have to adapt to some degree.

Even if you finally come kicking and screaming.

 

[alasdairm]

I think you know I'm quite strongly individualistic and don't listen that much to what other people say...

i think that your comments in this thread suggest that's not the case.

alasdair

 

[thujone]

yeah 60kg for 5'7" on a girl (assuming no muscles) i would call chubby. they say guys get away with being chubby easier but i dunno about that, i've seen a fair number of my lean, attractive guy friends get serious with chubby girls. probably anyone calling you fat is just a cunt

 

[Ninae]

But if you have large muscle-mass and not much fat, I think that's just normal or slim, just not skinny.
55 kilos or less would be skinny.

 

[socko]

It sounds like you're asking two questions: What kinds of figure do we like and What kind of figure should you have for yourself.
To me, the Helena Christensen figure is an ideal of classical beauty. [In contrast, the women in Hugh Hefner era Playboy magazine centerfolds were the ideal of Trailer Trash beauty.] Part of it is because she looks like she's in good shape, and I prefer women that are somewhat athletic. Christensen looks like she could be run a marathon or climb a mountain if she wanted. You didn't post her, but somebody like "Twiggy" is way too skinny, and I don't think Marylon Monroe had good muscle tone, especially near the end. She would be huffing and puffing and shuffling her feet within a minute of starting the marathon.. But whatever floats your boat.
For me, the condition of the body (body type) reflects ones lifestyle. As for the bone/muscle structure -- having big, medium, or small bones, I don't really have a preference. All types are beautiful. Some muscle definition is good and shows that you are active. Overall, no matter their bone structure and genetics, I prefer women who take care of their bodies and exercise just like I do. I climb mountains and run marathons and I look like I do. I prefer women who look the same and who would prefer to go on an adventure and do those things with me rather than stay home, sit on the couch, and watch television.

To summarize, you sound like you want to have the body type that your ideal partner will like. I work on the kind of body my own ideal partner would like because I want somebody who likes to do many of the same things that I like. My body type reflects the kind of things I like. I realize it's unpopular and comes across as backwards to say something like that, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and it's perfectly normal and practical. [By "ideal partner" I mean somebody taht you have a lot in common with and a lot of the same favorite interests and would therefore want to spend a lot of time doing those things with that person.] So, think about your ideal lifestyle (and the lifestyle that you would like to share with your partner) and the importance of being healthy and cultivate the body type that reflects that.

But if you have large muscle-mass and not much fat, I think that's just normal or slim, just not skinny.
55 kilos or less would be skinny.

I agree. Nothing is wrong with having large muscle-mass. It means you're athletic.

 

[rickolasnice]

my advice would be to stop caring so much what other people think.

alasdair

Yep yep yep!

 

[Ninae]

Some are born with more muscle-mass than others. Your natural muscle-mass is not something you have to exercise for, it's the minimum you will have throughout your life. It's also very hard to reduce (or you would need to lose all fat first until your body starts eating its own muscles).

I'm not as big as Helena Christensen, I think she would be too big for most in real life, but many high fashion models are like that (because of their height and it looks impressive on the runway). As opposed to Playboy-style models who tend to be tiny, apart from their sexual parts, and look like a kind of sex dolls.

Marilyn Monroe looked stunning on that first cover of Playboy when she was very young. Really healthy, and neither too large or skinny. Her curves were more made up of fat than muscles, though, at least as she got older so she didn't look that firm. But at least she was a better role-model than most of what we've had since.

Madonna had maybe the most beautiful body I've seen.

Perfect proportions and beautiful shapes.