Gingrich: Soros to spend $75mill defeating Bush b/c "Soros wants to legalize heroin"

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Gingrich:Soros spending $75mill on defeating Bush b/c "Soros wants legalize heroin"

Gingrich: George Soros "wants to spend $75 million defeating Bush because Soros wants to legalize heroin"
2004-09-01
Source: Media Matters For America

In a discussion on the August 30 edition of FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes of unregulated "soft money" contributions by 527 groups, former speaker of the House and FOX News Channel political contributor Newt Gingrich claimed that financier and philanthropist George Soros "wants to spend $75 million defeating [President] George W. Bush because Soros wants to legalize heroin."

Gingrich's remark, aired live from the Republican National Convention, echoed a smear of Soros made one day earlier by current Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert on the August 29 edition of FOX Broadcasting Company's FOX News Sunday: "I don't know where George Soros gets his money. I don't know where -- if it comes overseas or from drug groups or where it comes from. ... George Soros has been for legalizing drugs in this country. So, I mean, he's got a lot of ancillary interests out there." When asked by host Chris Wallace if Hastert thought Soros "may be getting money from the drug cartel," Hastert responded, "I'm saying I don't know where groups -- could be people who support this type of thing. I'm saying we don't know."

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I thought Soros wanted to legalize weed?

Anyway, heroin does need to be legalized anyway, and I seriously doubt drug cartels would fund someone pushing for legalization because it would completely kill their market. Then again, I seriously doubt Newt has ever really thought anything through before he opened his fat mouth.
 
George Soros is a piece of shit, even ifhe has a shitload money and wants to legalize pot. He tries to influence politics in too many negative ways; drug legalization is his only good belief, and doesn't justify his actions. I question him even on this issue, since I highly doubt he gives half a shit about whether marijuana is ever legal. He can do whatever he wants and not get in trouble. One person with that much money (which I don't object to, he earned it) should not be allowed in the political arena. Does Bill Gates go and try to buy elections? No. He could rule the world, literally, if he wanted...but he has ethics, unlike Soros.
 
^ How do you know Bill Gates "has ethics"? Just curious.
Just look at his work! He has done amazing things for this world.

Another fighter for the legalisation of heroin, good on them... we need more.
 
Soros rocks!!! Many people hate him, but I have gotten to know his work and idelogy from up close. He is the smartest motherfucker around. With all the reading I have done on him, I didnt know he is pro-drug legalization, I guess that's another point for him in my book.
 
Yes, but he is also a socialist who earned his money by almost ruining the british economy through currency trading (converting money to pounds, and then back again when the dollar drops in value). I think if I had to choose between drugs being illegal, or having a socialist government with legal drugs (they can't co-exist, however), I'll keep them illegal. This is coming from a strong pro-legalization guy, too. He throws all his money at the wrong people, instead of at those who actually need help like the Libertarians. Honestly, is it worth 70% income tax and working your ass off everyday to buy peoples' healthcare so you can buy marijuana at the store? No. Is it worth having guns banned (which is a hypocracy if you believe drugs should be legal, since the argument is the same for both) and other liberties taken away for that? No. Once all his other socialist plans were put in place, there'd be no time to smoke pot or do heroin...unless you're living off the new government with their fingers in someone else's wallet. As for Gates' ethics: he doesn't abuse his power. If he wanted, he could buy a country, a military, all the nukes he wanted, planes, helicopters, machine guns, subs, and any other military equipment there is and start a world war. He also has enough power to close down almost all US banks if he wanted, or buy the presidency and every senator and congressman he wanted. Because he has ethics and a real sense of responsibility, he donates BILLIONS each year towards things like AIDS in Africa and education in third world countries....not trying to kiss ass in Washington. He is one of the few billionaires who I actually feel deserves everything he has. We wouldn't have our beloved Blue Light, or massive freedom of speech and trade due to the internet, without him.
 
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Soros is not a socialist, people make that mistake all the time. The reason I like Soros is he is in the middle between the two evils: communism and capitalism. Having experienced both communism and capitalism at their "finest" I think Soros understands pros and cons of each system better that anybody else. Sometimes, one has to experience life in the both worlds to be truly able to find a path for a better future. I dont think Soros truly believes in big government and huge taxes, but that's not easy to understand because his theories are complex and can be seemingly faulty to an untrained eye.

Speaking of Bill Gates. He is a great example of evil capitalism, his success led to monopolization of software industry, where small innovative software companies stand no chance. Bill Gates is not a computer genius, he is a shrewd geeky businessman. He did not invent DOS, he copied windows from Apple, Internet Explorer from Netscape, XBox from Playstation and the list go on. No original thought just idea of capital accumulation.

And finally, if we go into crazy ideas such as buying military, maybe Soros is not worth as much as Billy Boy, but I am sure he could engineer a situation where Bill Gates would be worthless, maybe not anymore, cause Bill has been selling 1m shares a week recently, cause I dont think he believes in the future of Microsoft himself anymore.

I am not gonna comment on Gates's contribution to Internet, cause that is just ridiculous, he was late to the game, that's why he had to rob Netscape.
 
I wanted to add that republicans have successfully instilled the theory of if "you are not capitalist, you must be socialist." And because democrats are such losers to think progressively, we only have two camps (sorry Nader you are lame). Soros represents the next generation of thinking, which I dont think we have a name for, just like feudalism was to slavery and capitalism was to feudalism, not to be mistaken for communism which was great in theory but horrible in practice.

Anyways, this is getting off topic, so I apologize, I just think it is great to have Soros on board for drug legalization... I think he now has all the necessary attributes for my presidential vote if he ever runs.
 
I love how Democrats(funny name in itself since US is a republic) all call everyone they disagree with "Republicans"...I'm a Libertarian. Bill Gates did what he did because he could, and I'm sure anyone here would love to be in his financial situation. It's money though, and that should not allow one person alone control politics. As far as socialism, nearly every developed country is socialist today. The US is a fascist country as far as textbook political definition, so not yet..
 
I agree with everything you say... Libertarians definitely have some progressive thoughts. You should definitely read some of Soros's books, I bet you, as Libertarian you will find yourself in agreement with a lot of his concepts. He does appear as a wacko on the surface, but his theories are brilliant...

As to the fact that you are pissed at him, I see the reasons, but I think he is just trying to be pragmatic and actually get something done. Can I ask you what have Libertarians accomplished? I can put together a great theory that will sound nice, but making it work in realistic society is a different thing. Same thing happened with communism, great in theory, did not work in practice...
 
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The point I'm getting at is that Fox News is constantly smeared for being unbiased by the biased media whose ratings they having crushed. Those "------"s in the quotes by Gingrich probably make the remarks more sensible in context. Besides, Soros isn't even American and it was a discussion of 527 (privately financed) ads and funds, not drugs. It seems more like a nitpicky article looking for a good off-hand, off-topic comment to create subject matter rather than one of any value or meaning as far as policy reform goes. Notice how they expect readers to bombard Fox with hate mail for something they copied and pasted.
 
From the NY Times

Feel the Hate
By PAUL KRUGMAN
September 3, 2004

Excerpt:
"I don't know where George Soros gets his money," one man said. "I don't know where - if it comes from overseas or from drug groups or where it comes from." George Soros, another declared, "wants to spend $75 million defeating George W. Bush because Soros wants to legalize heroin." After all, a third said, Mr. Soros "is a self-admitted atheist; he was a Jew who figured out a way to survive the Holocaust."

They aren't LaRouchies - they're Republicans.

The suggestion that Mr. Soros, who has spent billions promoting democracy around the world, is in the pay of drug cartels came from Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House, whom the Constitution puts two heartbeats from the presidency. After standing by his remarks for several days, Mr. Hastert finally claimed that he was talking about how Mr. Soros spends his money, not where he gets it.

The claim that Mr. Soros's political spending is driven by his desire to legalize heroin came from Newt Gingrich. And the bit about the Holocaust came from Tony Blankley, editorial page editor of The Washington Times, which has become the administration's de facto house organ.
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Hume claimed: "Hastert never said Soros was receiving funds from drug cartels"

FOX News Channel managing editor and chief Washington correspondent Brit Hume provided false cover for Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert's (R-IL) smear of financier and philanthropist George Soros. On the September 1 edition of FOX News Channel's Special Report with Brit Hume, Hume claimed: "Hastert never said Soros was receiving funds from drug cartels."

But, as Media Matters for America has documented, while being interviewed by host Chris Wallace on the August 29 edition of FOX News Sunday, Hastert made the comment: "I don't know where George Soros gets his money. I don't know where -- if it comes overseas or from drug groups or where it comes from. ... George Soros has been for legalizing drugs in this country. So, I mean, he's got a lot of ancillary interests out there." Wallace asked if Hastert thought Soros "may be getting money from the drug cartel," and Hastert responded, "I'm saying I don't know where groups -- could be people who support this type of thing. I'm saying we don't know."

Soros wrote a letter to Hastert in response, calling Hastert's comments "deeply offensive," and saying Hastert should be "ashamed" of his "dishonest smear tactics." Hume noted on Special Report that Hastert replied to Soros's letter that claimed, in Hume's words: "by 'drug groups' he [Hastert] meant groups trying to decriminalize drugs." But that's not what Hastert said in response to Wallace's specific question about "the drug cartel." Also, as blogger Joshua Micah Marshall has noted on his website, Talking Points Memo: "Hastert goes on Fox raising questions about the source of Soros's money; and when he's called to account he responds by pointing to groups to which Soros gives his money."

Hastert's letter to Soros contained an additional lie: that "527 political organizations set a dangerous precedent for political discourse because we don't know where the money comes from." Yet Hastert himself was involved in ensuring that full disclosure of donors to 527 organizations is required by law. As the Chicago Tribune reported on June 30, 2000, "Congress closed a loophole that had enabled tax-exempt political groups [527s] to raise millions of dollars in secret contributions," and "Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) played an instrumental role in getting the bill passed in the House."

The Center for Public Integrity hosts a database of donors to 527 organizations.

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Soros Blasts Hastert Over 'Drug Money' Allegation

Soros Blasts Hastert Over 'Drug Money' Allegation

By Jonathan E. Kaplan, The Hill. Posted September 6, 2004.

Philanthropist George Soros demands a public apology after being the subject of a bizarre smear by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert

George Soros, the billionaire financier and philanthropist who has given millions of dollars to progressive and Democratic-leaning advocacy groups, launched a blistering counterattack on Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) yesterday, saying he should be "ashamed" of allegations he made Sunday.

Hastert had suggested that Soros's wealth came from criminals, and in a letter Soros challenged the Speaker to substantiate his claims or publicly apologize.

In a tartly worded demand faxed to Hastert, Soros wrote: "Your recent comments implying that I am receiving funds from drug cartels are not only untrue, but also deeply offensive. You do a discredit to yourself and to the dignity of your office by engaging in these dishonest smear tactics. You should be ashamed.

"I must respectfully insist that you either substantiate these claims - – which you cannot do because they are false – or publicly apologize for attempting to defame my character and damage my reputation."

The spat began in an interview on Fox News with anchor Chris Wallace, in which Hastert said, "You know, I don't know where George Soros gets his money. I don't know where – if it comes overseas or from drug groups or where it comes from. ..."

Asked if Soros had earned money from drug cartels, Hastert added, "Well, that's what he's been for a number years – George Soros has been for legalizing drugs in this country. So, I mean, he's got a lot of ancillary interests out there. ... I'm saying I don't know where groups – could be people who support this type of thing. I'm saying we don't know."

Soros, a Hungarian Jewish immigrant, earned billions from investments and currency speculation. In 1992, he bet $10 billion that the British central bank would devalue the pound. The gamble paid off and Soros earned $650 million that year. Soros Fund Management LLC was hammered in the late 1990s and Soros has since retired, although he remains chairman.

In 1993, he started the Open Society Institute, which promotes democracy in Eastern Europe and around the world. He began funding programs to reform the U.S. justice system several years later. As part of that effort, he has funded marijuana-legalization referendums in California and Arizona. Besides the Open Society Institute, Soros is also a major contributor to the International Crisis Group, a Brussels-based operation that monitors violence in global hot spots.

But he is most widely known in this election season as a big contributor to MoveOn.org; the Center for American Progress, a Democratic think tank; and America Coming Together, a so-called 527 political group that is exempt from limits on campaign contributions.

John Feehery, a spokesman for Hastert, said, "George Soros has an agenda. He supports the legalization of drugs, and the statement stands. [Hastert] has been fighting Soros on this for years because it is a character flaw. The Speaker thinks legalizing drugs is wrong."

Soros was unavailable for comment.

Documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) say that no company official in Soros's investment fund is involved in a criminal proceeding or a party to a civil proceeding.

Feehery cited no evidence and would not comment on whether Hastert would ask law enforcement to investigate.

Soros told The Washington Post last year: "America, under Bush, is a danger to the world. ... And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is."

Conservatives have sought to discredit Soros by attacking his foreign and Jewish roots and his support of liberal causes, and by saying that his currency speculation actually hurt the very people he claims to want to help.

"No other single person represents the symbol and the substance of globalism more than this Hungarian-born descendant of Shylock. He is the embodiment of the Merchant from Venice," wrote GOPAC, an organization that helps elect GOP candidates, on its website last year.

In William Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice," Shylock was the Jewish banker whose venality would not stop him from cutting human flesh to repay loans.

Tony Blankley, the editorial-page editor of The Washington Times, said Soros is "a robber baron, he's a pirate capitalist, and he's a reckless man" in an interview on Fox News.

Democrats were quick to criticize Hastert's latest suggestion. "That's totally absurd. It fits a pattern of simply throwing out whatever slander occurs to them [the Republicans]," said Matt Bennett, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee in New York. "This is what the Republican leadership does. They lie about people."

No Knockdowns Yet

Public hostilities between House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert ( R-Ill.) and George Soros, the billionaire donor to the Democratic Party, went into overdrive yesterday.

In a letter, the Speaker chided the activist philanthropist for his efforts to legalize recreational drug use and received in return a second demand for a public apology.

Yesterday, the Speaker neither apologized nor backed up his suggestion but said he was referring to drug-legalization pressure groups rather than criminal cartels. That cut no ice with Soros, who is considering suing Hastert for slander, said his spokesman, Michael Vachon. Hastert spokesman John Feehery did not return a call for comment.

In his letter yesterday, Hastert wrote: "I never implied that you were a criminal and I never would, that's not my style," adding that he was criticizing the nonprofit organizations Soros has funded, including "the Drug Policy Foundation, the Open Society, the Lendesmith [sic] Center, the Andean Council of Coca Leaf Producers, and several ballot initiatives across the country to decriminalize illegal drug use."

On Fox News on Sunday Hastert did not criticize Soros's choice of where he donates money. Instead, Hastert said: "You know, I don't know where George Soros gets his money. I don't know where – if it comes from overseas or from drug groups or where it comes from."

Soros wrote: "I can only assume that you launched your bogus charge in a feeble attempt to deflect my criticism of the administration's failed policies.... You are attempting to stifle critical debate and intimidate those who believe this administration is leading the country in a ruinous direction. Now that I have called you on your false accusation, you are using additional smear tactics."

Soros concluded, "Your reply willfully misrepresents my positions on drug policy. ... Your conduct does not reflect creditably on the House of Representatives."

Jonathan E. Kaplan is a staff reporter for The Hill.

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