GHRP and CJC

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e92

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what do you guys think about using GHRP-2/6 and CJC-1295 together? could it make your bones thicker? my wrists are only 6.5 inches around, it would be nice if they were bigger.
 
It think it's a good combination to use in conjunction with Testosterone and other steroids but by itself it's a waste of money. It's not going to make you bones thicker, not by a long shot bro.
 
So long as you're fine with jabbing yourself 3-6 times a day.

I'm going to run ipamorelin rather than GHRP, mainly, because ipa is more selective and better for maintaining regular cortisol/prolactin levels. I may move up to GHRP-2 depending on how I like Ipa.

You should see gains, but from what I hear, unless you're running it alongside another cycle they will be fairly low. However I'm sure that's very subjective on how your body reacts to GH stimulating peptides.

Most people who say "Your gains will me minimal" are also on high doses of other steroids and may or may not have played with real GH.

Great for fat loss, skin health, height (if you have not finished growing) appetite (if you run ghrp-6). Overall a healthy choice from what I hear.
 
Bone size is genetic, and since you did a cycle at 18, it's pretty much sealed the deal that your wrists will be 6.5 inches for life.
 
Voxide said:
Bone size is genetic, and since you did a cycle at 18, it's pretty much sealed the deal that your wrists will be 6.5 inches for life.
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This. I was waiting for someone to chime in because I was to lazy at the moment to type it out.
 
Voxide said:
Bone size is genetic, and since you did a cycle at 18, it's pretty much sealed the deal that your wrists will be 6.5 inches for life.
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-Guido- said:
This. I was waiting for someone to chime in because I was to lazy at the moment to type it out.
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actually you're both wrong. exposing your body to excess estrogen makes you stop growing but my bones can still get thicker.
 
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e92 said:
actually you're both wrong. exposing your body to excess estrogen makes you stop growing but my bones can still get thicker.
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No to be a douchebag but I have been researching AAS since I was 18, and Voxide probably has been doing so longer than I.

You know that introducing extra Testosterone also raises your estrogen levels, right? Your bones will not get thicker. Maybe slightly from a a few kits of HGH but it's not going to happen from a peptide that mimics natural release of HGH.
 
e92 said:
actually you're both wrong. exposing your body to excess estrogen makes you stop growing but my bones can still get thicker.
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LOL. Ok. Continue thinking so. Measure your wrists every morning, but don't say I didn't warn you. 20 years from now you will still have the bone structure of a pogo stick, and I know this may be difficult for you to grasp, but drugs can't fix everything.
-Guido- said:
No to be a douchebag but I have been researching AAS since I was 18, and Voxide probably has been doing so longer than I.

You know that introducing extra Testosterone also raises your estrogen levels, right? Your bones will not get thicker. Maybe slightly from a a few kits of HGH but it's not going to happen from a peptide that mimics natural release of HGH.
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GH will simply retain water in the joints, not thicken the bone tissue, unless you go to acromegalic doses.
 
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Just made my first Ipamorelin and CJC 1295 injection. Now time to hit the gym and do some squats.
 
Voxide said:
LOL. Ok. Continue thinking so. Measure your wrists every morning, but don't say I didn't warn you. 20 years from now you will still have the bone structure of a pogo stick, and I know this may be difficult for you to grasp, but drugs can't fix everything.


GH will simply retain water in the joints, not thicken the bone tissue, unless you go to acromegalic doses.
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acro-what?! :S
 
CJC-1293 is a good peptide. I'm not a bodybuilder or anything, just lift a lot. But I used it the most a few years ago when I was abusing MDMA 2 times a week to help keep me from losing my strength each weekend. It helps offset the lack of eating and general exhaustion that MDMA brings to the table.

I recently tried MGF also. I like MGF even more than CJC. ;)

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e92 - You might try researching up on parathyroid hormone if you really, really want to increase bone density. It is probably your best bet, if you can get your hands on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teriparatide

I don't know how easy it would be to use PTH and get your wrists specifically to growth though. You would have to look up previous clinical trials with PTH and see if healthy adults have used it ever. Maybe it would work if you could get it injected right at the bone? :p

Haha anyways...

Scand J Clin Lab Invest. 2011 Nov 16.
Mechanisms for the bone anabolic effect of parathyroid hormone treatment in humans.
Aslan D, Andersen MD, Gede LB, de Franca TK, J Rgensen SR, Schwarz P, J Rgensen NR.
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Roskilde University , Roskilde.
Abstract

Abstract Intermittent low-dose treatment with parathyroid hormone (PTH) analogues has become widely used in the treatment of severe osteoporosis. During normal physiological conditions, PTH stimulates both bone formation and resorption, and in patients with primary hyperparathyroidism, bone loss is frequent. However, development of the biochemical measurement of PTH in the 1980s led us to understand the regulation of PTH secretion and calcium metabolism which subsequently paved the way for the use of PTH as an anabolic treatment of osteoporosis as, when given intermittently, it has strong anabolic effects in bone. This could not have taken place without the basic understanding achieved by the biochemical measurements of PTH. The stimulatory effects of PTH on bone formation have been explained by the so-called ?anabolic window?, which means that during PTH treatment, bone formation is in excess over bone resorption during the first 6?18 months. This is due to the following: (1) PTH up-regulates c-fos expression in bone cells, (2) IGF is essential for PTH's anabolic effect, (3) bone lining cells are driven to differentiate into osteoblasts, (4) mesenchymal stem cells adhesion to bone surface is enhanced, (5) PTH has a direct antiapoptotic effect on osteoblasts and (6) when PTH interferes with remodelling, the osteoblasts over-compensate, and (7) PTH also decreases sclerostin levels, thereby removing inhibition of Wnt signalling which is required for PTH's anabolic actions. Thus, the net formative effect of PTH given in intermittent treatment emerges through a complex network of pathways. In summary, the effects of PTH on bone turnover are dependent on the mode and dose of administration and studies investigating the mechanisms underlying this effect are reviewed in this article.
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PsychedelicPeptide said:
CJC-1293 is a good peptide. I'm not a bodybuilder or anything, just lift a lot. But I used it the most a few years ago when I was abusing MDMA 2 times a week to help keep me from losing my strength each weekend. It helps offset the lack of eating and general exhaustion that MDMA brings to the table.

I recently tried MGF also. I like MGF even more than CJC. ;)

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e92 - You might try researching up on parathyroid hormone if you really, really want to increase bone density. It is probably your best bet, if you can get your hands on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teriparatide

I don't know how easy it would be to use PTH and get your wrists specifically to growth though. You would have to look up previous clinical trials with PTH and see if healthy adults have used it ever. Maybe it would work if you could get it injected right at the bone? :p

Haha anyways...
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You have bone density mixed up with bone size. There is no way to increase the latter. You can have big bones, but they can still be brittle as a dried leaf; vice versa. Bone density can be increased by lifting, calcium, good diet.
 
Oh yeah I didn't put together exactly what the original question was about until I finished the post I made after this one heh.

Anyways yeah PTH is an anabolic bone agent. It is given to old people with brittle bones to stimulate bone density so they don't fall and hurt themselves or anything crazy.

You are right about lifting & calcium, I was just thinking more along the lines of having to use a drug to do it... you know the quickie-American-fix-give-me-the-damn-drug-so-I-can-have-it-easy style. :/
 
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Also e92, now that I am a little more sober than last night... it is hard to say if using double GH releasers would thicken your bones.

The general premise that came out of injectable growth hormone use was that when used systemically, growth hormone has a tendency to accumulate in the extremities- leading to the enlarged fingers/finger joints and foreheads that you would see in various bodybuilders.

I know a respectable doctor guy that swore by using GH intravenously to prevent this effect on another forum. But that is pretty dangerous. Anyways the reason to use GH IV was that it better mimics the body's natural release mechanism, and helps prevent the drug accumulation in the extremities because the GH dose is not slowed from accessing the plasma via a subcutaneous injection.

Now the transition to peptides like CJC-1293 and GHRPs comes in that these peptides solely stimulate the body to produce its own natural GH, and thus it is all released internally directly from the pituitary gland. This again prevent the whole "GH building in the extremities" issue, and thus these peptides are not likely to cause overgrowth of fingers or the forehead unless perhaps if you really, really abuse them. Even then I am not sure though. I have not experienced a single bit of finger fattening in using CJC-1293 on and off no more than once/twice/week for a few years now. I think you would deplete your body's ability to release GH before you would get to the joint fattening stage.

So I guess if you really want to make your wrists fatter, then you could probably try large doses of subQ GH. :)
 
Ive been on cjc and ipamorelin for over a week now and have only noticed muscle gains and fat loss. Incredible peptides for fine tuning.
 
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