• 💊 OTHER DRUGS 💊 Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads 1 Notable Threads 2
    Dangerous Combos Addiction Support
    Emergency Services Benzo Guide v.1
    Addiction Stories Scary Case Studies
    Biology, Pharmacology & Drugs 101
  • Select Your Topic Then Scroll Down
    Alcohol Bupe Benzos
    Cocaine Heroin Opioids
    RCs Stimulants Misc
    Harm Reduction All Topics Gabapentinoids
    Tired of your habit? Struggling to cope?
    Want to regain control or get sober?
    Visit our Recovery Support Forums

RCs Ghb / gbl

E

erbaviva_girls

Bluelighter
Joined
Feb 25, 2011
Messages
147
Location
happy island
hello guys, please, can anyone answer these questions?

what is the difference between the two substances?

what is the most dangerous?

the dose and method of administration is the same?
 
GHB is a "powdery-soapy" hygroscopic substance measured in grams.
GBL is a liquid, measured in milliliters and when ingested your body converts it to GHB.

So no, the dose it not the same but oral administration is usual for both. They are dangerous since they cause a coma-like sleep in slightly higher doses and probably death at much higher. And in combination with other downers GHB & GBL are very unpredictable.

They are also physically addicting with horrendous withdrawl-symptoms if taken regularly over a longer period.
 
Some of my reply is quite subjective regarding the differences in the subjective experiences, so some will most certainly disagree about certain things.

First some facts. GBL is a liquid, a quite corrosive liquid (although this is often somewhat exaggerated, but yes, GBL is an industrial solvent and effective for e.g. removing paint). It is extremely potent, with doses usually in the range of 1-3 ml. The difference between a nice and euphoric dose and an overdose is very small. Few other drugs have such a small safety marginal. Only a few millileters too much will render you unconscious. Overdosing on GBL is even more dangerous if combined with CNS depressants like alcohol and benzodiazepines. NEVER mix them!

GHB is usually comes in powder form, but also very often in liquid form. In fact, of the 50-60 times I've taken GHB, I've only once had it in a brown powder form.

Dosing should be done with extreme caution because you are seldom sure about the purity. Also, I've seen people OD on GBL because it was sold as GHB (in liquid form, GBL here is approx 5 times more potent than liquid GHB). Also, GBL has an extremely bitter taste and burns in the mouth, while GHB tastes very salty. Some say liquid GHB tastes like semen ;)

Subjectively, I love GHB and hate GBL. GBL kicks hard and fast, in just a few minutes, and is very heavily intoxicating. Besides alcohol, GBL is the only drug on which I've seen people behave shockingly, violently, breaking things, falling around, vomiting on themselves etc. GHB has a smooth come-up, maybe 15 minutes, and feels very soft and calming, euphoric, sometimes even empathogenic, but more often people get veeery horny on it ;)

The problem with GHB/GBL is that the purity and form varies from place to place so it's impossible to give any advice on how to do it safely. Start low.. I managed to find a perfect "starter dose" of GHB and re-dosed every 1.5-2 hours with only half of the starting dose, and achieved exactly the same euphoria. I always followed this way of taking it and never had any problems.

Both GHB and GBL are physically addicting when used continuosly over a long period. The WD symptoms can be compared to those of benzodiazepines and alcohol; there are indeed cases where GHB addicts have been treated with heroic doses of diazepam in hospital settings. There are documented cases of Delirium Tremens from GHB withdrawal too. It seem GABAergics produce the worst physical addiction and most dangerous WD symptoms of almost all drugs (Benzo's, Barbiturares, Alcohol, GHB/GBL).

GHB is a humongously euphoric and fun drug, as long as you can control it. It may sound like a cliché, but GHB/GBL are amongst the easist drugs to overdose on. On the other hand, especially GHB, is one of the least toxic drugs there are, and used in moderation the physical/mental harm is among the lowest of all drugs (remember, GHB is naturally produced by the brain, like e.g. DMT).
 
erbaviva_girls said:
so maybe it's better to focus on ghb, should be a little safer and more mild than the gbl....... is that correct?
Click to expand...

Yes, definitely. There's at least a little bit more space for error (while you obviously should do everything to avoid such errors).

But be carefeul with GHB too, people do OD on it and people have died from overdoses on it.

And please, please, start low, if you don't get your stuff straight from the lab there may be impurities. Often different batches of GHB are of quite different quality. Also, another factor to take into account is that GHB is much more "intoxicating" than, say, cocaine, and by this I mean that your ability to judge is more impaired than many other drugs. It's easy to think that "just a little more" would add to the fun but result in disaster.
 
I've only had GHB twice and it was quite nice though the dose wasn't more than 2g (powdered, potassium GHB).

In any case GHB is not an RC it is illegal and GBL if you dont have the right connections and/or live in europe where its most common then you are shit out of luck, however look up on erowid the synthesis of GHB if you are good with chemistry as you can make the salt/sodium or the potassium with relatively minimal knowledge, however I am not the one to ask as I honestly dont know much if anything about chemisty.

p.s. There are RC's of the G class however I cannot remember them, you prob know them already, in any case they are way more toxic to the body than GHB, they are prodrugs the same as GBL but much more toxic I wouldn't trust them. If you look for GBL hard enough you will be able to get it, GHB for that matter too but if you live in North America it's harder to find.
 
I live in europe, I have a friend who makes use of ghb, he takes it with beer, drink lots of beer in an evening can drink 30 beers, but I have read that the ghb and alcohol should be avoided, because it risks death, but perhaps what I read is a bit exaggerated, because my friend always takes ghb + alcohol and he is super happy hiihhi
 
It's not an exaggeration - mixing depressants like GHB and alcohol makes it much easier to overdose on either.

You should probably check out Erowid, there's lots of good info on GHB and GBL there.
 
"Cooking" GBL to GHB is a piece of cake for any hobby chemist. I'm not advocating you should do it, nor am I going to give any advice on how to do it (I will say, though, that it's worth the little trouble). It's not hard to find a guide on how to do it. It actually serves harm reduction too, as GHB is considerably more safe than GBL (and GHB is not that awfully corrosive either).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top