getting your life back from opiates alternatives to rehab etc

fluxy

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Im just wondering if anyone has had sucess with getting your life back from opiate addiction. Im talking more about when your at the end of heavy using, you can get a couple of days clean up, and then use again becuase your bored or just so used to the routine that you get stoned automatically it would seem.


1st NA Meetings. at least one a week. I dont like them, but i know they work, and anyone i know who is clean and actually enjoying it does them. nothing new.

2nd Work
Im thinking something along the lines of Getting a Car again, getting some part time work driving pizzas at night (so i dont have top get up early, cause thats what causes me to lose jobs, its not like i dont want a normal job, i just want to keep whateve job i get.).

3rd ?

Not sure here. i guess a place to stay would be good, but what? this is where i need some other POV's or ideas. staying with my olds is not a good idea, or maybe stay at a shelter till i raise some cash for a nice place and some bond. (plus living in a homeless shelter will give me a good hard look at what using will bring me back to)

4th i guess you put social activities here. nights out, relationships, spirituality etc.

So any advice would be nice peoples. I discharged myself from rehab after a week, man it was a big shock. if i can avoid that again i will!
 
For me I tried everything.

I was addicted to Heroin for aprox 8 or 9 years.

I tried Meetings, Evertime I went to them when I left I wanted to use more than before I went to the meetings.

I went to 3 different rehabs. I went to 2 NA based 19 day rehabs. Both of them I relapsed the day I got out.

The 3rd rehab I went to was a 1 year Christ centered rehab. This is where my life was transformed. Now Im sitting with 2 years and a few months clean.

With opiate addiction Ive found that the longer you can get yourself into a program, (Long term) the better your chances are at staying clean.

No matter what this, is gonna take everything you have, all the strength, might, everything you got deep inside of you to do. Your gonna have to dedicate at least a year of your life to nothing but recovery 100%. And I mean 24 hours a day. Id say after a year it gets easier. ALot easier to stay sober. Your gonna have to learn to live a new life, cut out old ties, Change every aspect of your life.

But this is very possible, Im living proof and others as well on here.

This is what worked for me
Sean
 
thanks sean,

im trying to get into detox, and will look at another rehab while im in there.

just really trying to get the whole "doing it for yourself" thing. i mean, i feel bad becuase others contantly worry about me and i realise that will never stop. and if it did, i would feel even worse becuase no no one cares anymore..... i really really need to do this but i very unwilling to give up my connections, becuase my relapse rate is so high that giving them up seems insane. maybe the only way is to move to another place for a while. cant hurt right? any tips or what to do and what NOT to do when moving to another place to give yourself a chance. i know that in one way its just doing a geographical and i go wherever i take myself, but i need to give up my connections without giving them up, you know what i mean?
 
Hi,

I was using heroin 5 times a day for a couple years. I detox'd several times, but like 90+% of junkies, I returned to using -- within days, weeks or months. Eventually, of course, even detox became impossible without help.

Eventually, a doctor who helped me get through detox without methadone, and found (after calling me at home, much to my amazement) that I was using again, suggested that I actually get into a methadone program. I viewed that as a last resort.

And, perhaps because it was my last resort, it worked. I also had plenty of clean friends who never used heroin, and a college education, to help me get back into a normal life.

Plus, methadone maintenance treatment (MMT) also worked for me because I did a lot of research on methadone & on heroin treatment -- so I knew the side effects would eventually go away a year or so after my dose stabilized, I knew that methadone has been proven NOT to be harmful (because, in part, it is a long-acting opiate), and I knew how methadone worked, and how to think about my dosage level.

And, I learned the difference between dependency and addiction: addiction is a dependency, that's true, but it is a dependency that leads to an ever worsening quality of life. My dependency on methadone has improved my quality of life. And studies show too, that the longer a person is in (a good-quality) MMT program, the better that person's quality of life will be, as measured by surveys, by income, by employment, and by marriage, family & friends.

By the way, I learned what I know about methadone and heroin not via online forums, but via medical journals at university libraries and good quality books written by scientists. (The old Haight-Ashbury Clinic journal -- J of Pschedelic Drugs/J of Psycho-Active Drugs -- was especially helpful. As was the book, 'Addiction: A Biological Approach' by Avram Goldstein. Those sources are over 10 years old now, but still relevant and still quite accurate. And more recently, I've seen at least one published anthology of scholarly articles on methadone treatment too. There's also some good books on comparing the efficacy and appropriateness of different approaches to counseling for different addictions. But honestly, it's been the methadone, not the counseling, that's worked for me.)

*****

A word about MMT dosage --

In the long run, one's metabolism & your level of physical activity determine one's methadone dose -- after the heroin detox period is completely over, the level of one's heroin use is irrelevant. And double-blind studies show that theraupetic doses -- as defined by cessation of heroin use -- typically began at 85mg/day, and range up to 120mg/day and higher. But the dose must be built up very gradually over a long period of time. Most people who continue to use heroin in MMT are simply on too low of a dose.)

I began at 40mg/day, dropped down to 35mg/day, then gradually -- over a period of years -- went up to 160/mg day split into a morning (80mg) dose and an evening (80mg) dose. I could get by with less -- I quit using heroin in very beginning of MMT, after all. But I don't like feeling any withdrawal symptoms, and I like to be able to exercise without fear of sweating out my methadone, and waking up at 4am feeling crappy the next morning.

So I take a dose that enables me to lead a perfectly normal life.

(And of course, I keep my doses locked and hidden away from everybody else, esp kids. Even 1/4 of my daily dose could kill an adult who doesn't use heroin. And much less than that could kill a child.)

*****

True, I have to go to a methadone clinic -- but only once a month now. And because I'm self-employed, I cannot get insurance coverage. But it's cheaper than heroin. (And I don't drink anymore either, because MMT stopped that craving too, so I save money there too.)

Perhaps I will get off methadone someday. But I don't want to be like so many people who take meds for mental illness then think (because the meds work so well) that they are no longer mentally ill and so they stop taking the meds. And then they end up back on the streets. I do think that I could stay clean for a very long time without methadone, but it's those really stressful or emotionally painful times that I could not be certain about. (Don't get me wrong: methadone does NOT shield me from emotional pain at all. But methadone does keep me from using heroin during painful times.)

Well, I've written enough. I just stumbled across this site, and your posting, and I felt obliged to speak up because nobody else was talking about long-term methadone maintenance treatment, but it works. Many scientists have said flat-out that it is a cure for heroin addiction (when properly administered by knowledgeable staff to properly-informed and counseled clients).

And it's worked for me now for just about 15 years.

(One last thing: when I was using heroin, buprenorphine was not an option, but it is now. If you've not been using for too long, you might try that first, combined w/ counseling, and, for a while, naxolone. But this is an expensive option in most places. If you're lucky, perhaps you have family or friends that will help. Of course, don't get them involved if you just want to detox and drop the cost of your habit for a while. But if you really want to get clean, there are ways to do it. And then you can have a happy and healthy life. Or healthier, depending on your Hep C status, etc.)

Okay. Enough said. Go for it & get clean. It's worth everything.

Steve
 
ive been to rehab 4 times , halfway houses, and prison twice and still have been doing dope the last year..........longest ive ever had clean was 15 months going to n.a.
ive been on subs awhile but just using them when i couldnt afford dope.....now its caught up with me and im on day 3 with no dope , just subs....and it hurts
 
i was addicted to h and oxys for 3-4 years, and a 'very frequent user' for a few years before that. my only saving grace was suboxone and the realization that my life was utter shit being addicted to opiates. i think another thing may have been that i never banged it, many of my friends that were in to that route are still alternating between subs or methadone and h.

anyway, for me, NA is the worst, i could not stand hearing about using when i was trying to quit, talk about triggering, even the worst stories people would tell would make me think of getting a bundle and drooling on the couch for a few days.

the suboxone was amazingly helpful but really i think it was my will to quit. i tapered off them fairly quickly because i had no health insurance and was racking up a hefty credit card bill. it would have been really easy to get back into them if i didnt have the will (and memory as to what it was like) to stay clean.

also, moving across the country and losing all my contacts helped a lot.
 
me? i was prescribed 12 a day for several months. dropping to 6 was very very easy, i did it over the course of a week. then started dropping 2 mgs every 2 weeks, until i was down to 2 mgs. then i went down to 1 mg (approx) a day for 2 weeks and another 2 weeks of 1 mg every other day. naturally when i dropped off completely i didnt feel great, not too bad but not great you know? i actually started crying a lot, it brought up a lot of emotions the heroin had sealed in. but i was so much happier being clean than addicted to heroin. i would have extended this schedule much longer if i had the means to do so, i have friends that are still on them after nearly 2 years because they have health insurance. thats fucking overkill though.

again, you have to really want to quit or it will never happen.

good luck.
 
I'll be on Oxy for 3 years. Usually never more than 2 months clean.

I recently relapsed again, but I'll post down what I wrote to myself when I was sober. It helped me a lot.

It kind of long but, basically you have to associated your Oxy use with addiction instead of pleasure, I know it's easier said then done but that what the starting point of recovery is.
 
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