Benzos Get paranoid and anxious taking downers and going to sleep after stims/drinking...

[Harambulus]

Ok, so I'm a very paranoid person and always cycle incessantly through worst case scenarios. I know long term no drugs are best for me however I get an itch every few months so I'm gradually working on weening myself off them and getting more productive pursuits.

You think taking downers would stop the anxiety but like last time for instance I began 'fighting' the effect of some etizolam I took cos I hadn't had it before and was afraid to go to sleep 'just in case'. This was more an issue of it being a new drug in my system than anything else I think since I wasn't sure what to expect and wanted to be awake when it hit even though I was fucking tired at the time. I do still get that worry tho when taking downers in general after having had other substances. Other worries include 'what if I am still stimulated and when the current stim wears off the downer will cause some 'bad effect'.

So could ppl tell me the safety margins of these things and going to sleep on them after stims but also after having been drinking in the day?

Thats the thing whenever I take stims I usually/always like to drink. If I take a straight dopa I'd drink tons however I'm not into just dopa action anymore so heavy drinking isnt really an issue. I will have some dopa action and some serotonin of various rcs- very moderate amounts and prob drink a whole bottle of wine maximum throughout the day (from between maybe 11 am to 6pm or so). So I prob wouldnt have been drinking for like 3+ hours before taking any downers to sleep.

Is this still safe even though the alcohol is in my system?

I'd only take as little as required to allow me to sleep. I know loads of ppl must do way more drugs and more elaborate concoctions than me and are ok but I want to hear some more solid confirmation of this from others.

I remember around a year ago when I was more reckless I deliberately tried taking diazepam with alcohol to 'see what would happen'. Effects were that I blacked out for a time and I could def feel the inebriating effects of both whereas other times when I've taken a downer hours after the alcohol wears off 1st I haven't noticed this so Im thinking youd probably 'feel it' if they were interacting? Rereading through my TR on that recently I was shocked I would do such a stupid thing so guess it's a good indicator I've matured significantly since then.

Also what are the 'upper safety margins' for such things so perhaps it would put my mind at ease?

For my next trips the downer in question would be zopiclone as I got some recently from doc after begging him for something to get rid of my insomnia after a recent bad comedown >_< but also would like to know about etizolam as that is the one that is freely available atm.

 

[sekio]

The major risk with "downers" is falling unconcious, vomiting, and aspirating said vomit. Or other reckless behaviour. A significant amount of alcohol has to be involved, usually. More than a beer or two - we're talking 2-6's of vodka and the like.

Combining Z-drugs/benzos and stimulants is perfectly safe. In fact lorazepam (ativan) is used to sedate people who get too jacked up on stimulants. Benzodiazepines won't stop your breathing in the same way that opiates/barbs/alcohol will.

 

[Harambulus]

Thanks.

What does 2-6s mean :D? Im in the uk...

Yes my concern was that if I'd drunk a bottle of alcohol in the day say then the stimulant might have been keeping me up then taking a downer if the stim wears off the alcohol will then react with the downer? Like how they write about ppl dying from speedballs?

But Im guessing its larger doses like you say?

If I drank a bottle of wine slowly through the day and I no longer feel the alcohol/any inebriation is it ok to take a downer then which would be around the tail end of the stim wearing off? If serotonin is involved which it would be I actually doubt I'd drink even a whole bottle, more like 2/3 max.

 

[Fire&Water]

"Downers" are barbituates. Just like cocaine isnt an "upper" If you are referring to opiates or benzo's please do not call them downers, It's just as bad as "S.W.I.M"...

 

[sekio]

2-6's are large bottles of alcohol. 1.75 litres or something like that.

As for the definition of "downer", it's generally taken to mean any strong sedative drug - opioids, alcohol, benzos etc - and not just barbiturates. Barbs are rarely seen anymore anyway.

If the alcohol has worn off (3h+ since your last drink), you can likely dose a sedative, but be responsible. Don't push your doses if you've been drinking.


The danger from "speedballs" (cocaine and heroin) is that the duration of cocaine is very short compared to heroin (20-40 mins vs 3-6 hours) and both drugs are usually injected simultaneously so there is a very real danger of the cocaine wearing off and making the heroin overpower your breathing, if you take a larger-than-normal dose of heroin and the cocaine masks the initial effects. This isn't really a problem with the other, longer-lasting stimulants (amphetamines, methylphenidate etc).

As long as you're not consuming alcohol while you have a stimulant in your blood and then taking a downer once the stim wears off you should be perfectly fine.

 

[Fire&Water]

2-6's are large bottles of alcohol. 1.75 litres or something like that.

As for the definition of "downer", it's generally taken to mean any strong sedative drug - opioids, alcohol, benzos etc - and not just barbiturates. Barbs are rarely seen anymore anyway.

If the alcohol has worn off (3h+ since your last drink), you can likely dose a sedative, but be responsible. Don't push your doses if you've been drinking.


The danger from "speedballs" (cocaine and heroin) is that the duration of cocaine is very short compared to heroin (20-40 mins vs 3-6 hours) and both drugs are usually injected simultaneously so there is a very real danger of the cocaine wearing off and making the heroin overpower your breathing, if you take a larger-than-normal dose of heroin and the cocaine masks the initial effects. This isn't really a problem with the other, longer-lasting stimulants (amphetamines, methylphenidate etc).

As long as you're not consuming alcohol while you have a stimulant in your blood and then taking a downer once the stim wears off you should be perfectly fine.

I guess I need a new dictionary & learn new age slang...

 

[Harambulus]

As long as you're not consuming alcohol while you have a stimulant in your blood and then taking a downer once the stim wears off you should be perfectly fine.

Wasnt quite clear on what you mean here?

As I said Id be taking both stimulant and alcohol at the same time and then a DOWNER (benzo/z drug) later :D though as I mentioned very moderate amounts of each.

Yes dont worry about explaining speedballs to me any more as I have no intention of taking either of those drugs.

Fire and water you dont need a new dictionary just a life where things are discussed outside of your armchair philosphizing :D.

All this is put on hold for now anyway so long as my willpower lasts as Im fucking broke so trying to rekindle free passtimes for now. Good to know for future ref tho.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

"Downers" are barbituates. Just like cocaine isnt an "upper" If you are referring to opiates or benzo's please do not call them downers, It's just as bad as "S.W.I.M"...

cocaine's not an "upper" aka stimulant?
damn no wonder it looks way shittier than smokin glass.
opiates and benzos ARE downers, they're depressants....a downer just means a CNS depressant.
what stimulants are you using?
in my experience with stims, once you pop benzos, long as you pop enough you just go to sleep for a while.
benzos aren't going to stop your heart by themselves, and stimulants+benzos is rather safe (but pointless IMO unless you mean when the stimulant high wears off)
i've never had a bad effect from taking benzos on a stimulant comedown, if nothing else benzos make your brain shut the fuck up and stops the racing thought patterns ya get on a stim comedown.
IMO benzos aren't necessary for most stim comedowns, at least the ones i've had...or you can tough it out without too much difficulty unless you're pushing 3-4 days on, or at least thats the case with amphetamine and methamphetamine ime.

 

[Harambulus]

It would only be small amoutns of research chemicals - mdppp and some sertonin mdma like clone. Taken only for the daytime and yes benzos only for comedown to allow me to sleep.

Id be fine with nothing 'toughing it out' were it not for the insomnia which I cannot bear.

 

[Doomed2pain]

You'll be fine, i always used to take benzo's/downers after a heavy weekend, just keep the dose at the bare minimum that you need to sleep.

 

[Fire&Water]

Wasnt quite clear on what you mean here?

As I said Id be taking both stimulant and alcohol at the same time and then a DOWNER (benzo/z drug) later :D though as I mentioned very moderate amounts of each.

Yes dont worry about explaining speedballs to me any more as I have no intention of taking either of those drugs.

Fire and water you dont need a new dictionary just a life where things are discussed outside of your armchair philosphizing :D.

All this is put on hold for now anyway so long as my willpower lasts as Im fucking broke so trying to rekindle free passtimes for now. Good to know for future ref tho.

I'm a Rocking philosopher (chair) gotta keep moving till bedtime :D

 

[Doomed2pain]

^lolz

 

[DistyBoi]

Used for three days, 8mg in total. Liked it WAY too much to keep this up, psychological dependance risk on this drug for me (which will lead to physical dependance) is ridiculously high. Proabably found this more abusable than any benzo I have used previously. I'm never going to buy more.

 

[Fire&Water]

You'll be fine, i always used to take benzo's/downers after a heavy weekend, just keep the dose at the bare minimum that you need to sleep.

Which kind ? tuinal, nembutal, seconal ?
Yes properly processed coca is a stimulant, but the euphoria heavily outweighs that aspect of it (if you've ever been lucky enough to posess a cut off a Ki' or know how to wash everthing else out)

 

[Doomed2pain]

Can't get barbs over here anymore so usually just benzo's or df's back before I had to go on serious medications for pain management. Diazepam was the usual suspect though.

 

[Harambulus]

You'll be fine, i always used to take benzo's/downers after a heavy weekend, just keep the dose at the bare minimum that you need to sleep.

Cheers, ye i just wanted to hear a few personal experiences on that matter.

What sort of quantities of alcohol/stims were you having before taking the downers and how long after approx?

 

[Doomed2pain]

Too much if I am honest. An 8th to quarter of coke and god knows how many beers. I'd usually take the benzo about 4 hours after my last dose of coke, 3 hours or so after the beer. I was an animal then though and do not recommend it to anyone lol.

 

[Harambulus]

Good to know as I have no intention of going anywhere near those levels

 

[Doomed2pain]

Good. You'll be fine, alot of the time I never used to bother, didn't need to was just if there was a particularly bad cut that you'd be a lil edgy and what not. Ah to be carefree again haha. Enjoy yourself