Opioids Friend takes 160mg Opana when pulled over, sent to ER , anyone else ever do this?

[ReversiblePulpitis]

Opanaking: I don't know why you seem so adamant about trying to disqualify this post as having any value for harm reduction or at least for discussion sake. Dancer summed it up quite nicely in his response to you, which Ive quoted below to emphasize.

Perhaps it could be helpful in that it reminds people how dangerous doing that is and people might suggest some alternatives to what the guy in the story did. The OP also asked if others had been in a similar situation and what they did. It's also interesting to see whether people think that swallowing one's drugs when you fear you're about to get searched is worth it or not. Some people seem to think it is a harm-reduction strategy in a way, since they'd rather potentially OD and even risk death than go to jail. Personally I don't agree with that logic however. And it also brought up how often cops search people, whether you have to submit, etc. So I don't think it was a totally un-helpful post.

this.
there is absolutely no harm reduction value in encouraging people to eat their stash if they come across law enforcement and potential search.
if you are going to be carrying regularly, and in a position to be searched (especially if driving a vehicle) then the only sane advice is to advocate a better hiding spot. one of those magnetic stash boxes that can go up under the dash, or something of that nature.
risking OD is no way to safely avoid legal persecution. i know most of us are playing cat-and-mouse with authorities in one way or another, but you have to be smart about it if you know you are putting yourself in this position. there are many safe ways to stash shit.

your friend might've been put in an even worse position if the cops had let him drive off after a 5-10 minute search of his vehicle.
nodding behind the wheel is obviously really dangerous, as is taking a massive dose of opiates to begin with.
don't put yourself in this position to begin with!

I'm not encouraging people to eat their stash. Are you just saying that, or did you perceive that as my intention?
Otherwise, the rest of your post was the type of material discussion I was trying to squeeze out of this.

However, it seems people have neglected to really comment on any of the other questions, specifically the ones I've quoted from S-Dancer, above.


I'm not sure if he had anything else in his system, again, he's an active and habitual user of opiates. It's quite possible he had a load of at least oxycodone in his system. Regardless, there are way too many physiologic factors at play here of wild variance from person to person. Maybe it was an hour, and not 45 minutes. Maybe the guy was starting to become incomprehensible and motor function was diminishing. That said, the guy claims to not have really remembered much after that point until sometime later when he received the antagonist injection, which I believe may have saved his life.

& yes spacejunk, it's scary to think about what would have happened had he been left to drive off without being able to voluntarily throw the meds up, if that would have even helped at that point.

If anyone would still like to comment on what they have done in similar situations, please do. It still blows my mind that he did this, but I personally would never have a reason to feel like I would be searched w/o any offenses beyond moving traffic violations and parking tickets.

 

[_Synapse]

Perhaps it could be helpful in that it reminds people how dangerous doing that is and people might suggest some alternatives to what the guy in the story did. The OP also asked if others had been in a similar situation and what they did. It's also interesting to see whether people think that swallowing one's drugs when you fear you're about to get searched is worth it or not. Some people seem to think it is a harm-reduction strategy in a way, since they'd rather potentially OD and even risk death than go to jail. Personally I don't agree with that logic however. And it also brought up how often cops search people, whether you have to submit, etc

^ this.... and the like... saw a better one to go with my post but I can't find it as easy so I used that quote instead.

anyways,

if you're going to (especially KNOW that if you're going to) DRIVE at all, be in a PUBLIC place (or go through a PUBLIC place to get to point A, which you kinda have to unless your drugs are delivered ALL OF THE TIME), or anything along those lines, with drugs in your possession, you should have taken the responsibility to know the consequences of getting caught, and also should have taken the time and as well, the responsibility to find out your options on either how you can stash it safely or what you would do if X happened where you had to pull over and get an interrogation from the authorities of any kind (even more so if you're a wanted, or known, drug addict/dealer/felon/etc...) you would already know what to do for yourself about the situation...

instead of simply just thinking these ways and just having the pills or drugs, in your teeth, for example. Then just saying "oh shit the police, well fuck it I'm just gonna swallow these bad boys... its 160mg, and I know that so fuck it guess I'm gonna die now... and the cop may not even search me... but I would rather OD, and probably DIE than to think about this situation before it would have happened, when I may not even get searched anyways..." If you're basically going to think with this mindset, which essentially the friend of the OP (not about to dis guy) was thinking this way for the most part... they just simply had no respect for a human life... their OWN. Probably the most important life in your own life, if that makes sense, to respect. If you can't respect your own life, and just simply kill yourself because you chose to go get illegal drugs knowing that you have the great possibility of getting caught, or be subject to a search if pulled over, is so bad.

That is just simply irresponsible on every single level... in a very extreme way.

People... please think before doing shit that may get you into legal trouble, and have your shit thought out, like precautionary shit like "what ifs" and all that...

like "what if X happens, then OOOO this is a good idea I'll do this..." *thinks about good X (insert drugs into X; where X is the spot) stashing spot* "great shit! now I'll be able to act normal and not ***AUTOMATICALLY*** KILL MYSELF by 10 times over, if I get pulled over for a turn signal light being burnt out." Which you could check for too before leaving in a car... another precaution, even though theoretically that light could burn out during the trip, while on the road... but simply the turn signal thing was just an example of anything that can happen in our lives during an illegal activity with all of the other different variables that could happen, jeopardizing your own freedom, especially since its something that you know is likely to fuck you over legally anyways if you got caught doing so...

This could have been easily avoided. I think that even if you had to go to jail or prison over it, you know you're playing that game anyways with the justice system in the first place, and killing yourself just seems like a horrible way to justify going about the whole situation. 5 minutes could have saved this persons life, and possibly someone else's too if he got the chance to be let go and drove off.

Its fucked up how people just don't think about shit, or just don't give a fuck clearly about a lot of shit. Let alone life, a human one at that. Their own one too...

Not saying anything disrespectful about this person that this story was about. They need to be told it themselves. If only that were possible, but it's too late. I think they would be happier if someone might have just mentioned that to them... but thats something they should have thought about without someone else's help mentioning the obvious.

So anyways should I bring some poison with me to my PO appt? In case I piss dirty on my drug test, I don't want to go to jail or prison... so if they say its dirty I can go into the bathroom again and just, you know swallow an OD of something.

I'm just kidding about that last comment ^^^. Thats a sad story too though. He was probably so scared to do such an extreme action like that, especially after he did it knowing he was probably fucked after that, and very very soon.

hey excuse me while I go kill myself.

haha I'm JK. About every bit of the last two comments I made in my long post. I just had to say those especially that last one. Above those two jk comments, I was not kidding... be responsible.

 

[ReversiblePulpitis]

Thank you Synapse for your thoughts! You're right, he obviously has very little respect for his own well being, perhaps none at all. Which in turn also makes his actions very selfish, not thinking of his loved ones whatsoever. This is unfortunately probably a bigger problem amoungst users (whether they do stupid shit like this or not), than is spoken about: low self esteem, making selfish decisions to use that can harm others if only just emotionally, et al.
Too bad there's not a better way to get through to someone like that. He's not even my friend, and I would reach out to him if I had his phone number. Sadly, our mutual friend, the one whom told me, another active user whom purchases illicitly w/ and for him, hasn't given a second thought to the REAL story, the sad story about the things you brought up, and go even as far as to ask him why he did that. Ok so it's obvious "why" but I'm speaking of the more rhetorical question here.
A couple sad comments to ADD to this story.
The kid, as soon as released, went and copped some more oxycodone.
Our mutual friend aka the story teller's BIGGEST concern here? Was that this kid didn't give him a call to let him know that he was going to buy Opana.

 

[Ohayou]

Surely he knew it was an OD and I would imagine, if he had any sense, that he planned to force himself to vomit it all up immediately after the cops were done with them. Maybe he wasn't able to throw up as he planned because the cops took so long and at that point he was already feeling it and in trouble. I imagine the cops would have searched his vomit for pills/drugs if he had made himself throw up in front of them.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Yeah, it's sad, drug addictions can make people not think rationally. Your brain prioritizes the drugs above all else. Another problem is that people get complacent and just because they haven't been busted before (or recently) it's easy to get lazy and subconsciously feel like you're invincible and nothing bad will ever happen to you, so they don't take the necessary precautions. Or, even when something like this happens, because they were lucky and got away with it they think "no harm no foul" and don't even consider doing anything differently in the future. I mean, how many times have people OD'd and nearly died just from accidentally using too much because they wanted to get really high, only to go on using risky quantities in the future? Drugs can make you not rational, and, especially when people are young, we feel invincible anyway, so that's a really potent combination.

 

[ElvisPillsley]

"the fact that he actually saw him swallow something certainly would give him probable cause to search the vehicle. it's really up to their discretion; if they find something their probable cause if justifed, if they don't then they just write you a speeding ticket or whatever."

Where the hell did you attend law school? Do you know what probable cause is? Swallowing something isn't a crime last time I checked, therefore a cop seeing someone swallow something doesn't create probable cause. Then again, according to you, probable cause is "up to their discretion," which essentially means that the concept of probable cause and it being required for certain police action is meaningless. A cop absolutely cannot create probable cause AFTER the fact by searching and finding something. In order to search a vehicle without the owner's consent the cop must have probable cause ahead of time.