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Frequently friend zoned- good sign or bad?

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To start, I'm 23, was in one incredibly serious relationship for 14 months, but otherwise little experience. Since breaking up a year ago, i've tried my luck with several girls with no success. The thing is, however, that all of them (4 or so) went on to embrace me as an important friend to them. I try to stay aloof, but if I take one step backward they will take two forward. I don't go on licking their feet hoping they change their minds, hell I'm even cold at times to some of the more aggravating ones. In my view, they range from being perfectly nice girls to neurotic bitches (I say that with affection). In any case, they're all friends of mine still, and they have all told me that I'm one of their best friends (not a sentiment I share, although I'd never tell them that). They are all 18-22 in age.

I don't know what to make of this- my attempts at romance have failed every time recently, yet all the girls have gone on to hold me close as I retreat. It's not a matter of them
seeking attention- I've dealt with that before- it's as if they are seeking a brother.

So, what's up? Should I view it as progress that all these girls seek out emotional intimacy? Or do I just fail at attracting women?
 
Lots of girls have this "commitment phobia" these days and people with this affliction cannot actually go as far as a real love relationship but they can't commit to letting a person go away either. It's a lose/lose situation. IME girls who respond to being ignored and back away from attention are fucking mess. They got lots to figure out before they can have real love.
 
Just got to swing at the fences, my friend. :)

It sounds like you have that little quirk that chicks love, but something isn't clicking with them sexually.
 
Just got to swing at the fences, my friend. :)

It sounds like you have that little quirk that chicks love, but something isn't clicking with them sexually.

I've figured as much. My ex-girlfriend recently told me that I come across as asexual to lots of girls. Couldn't be further from the truth, but it seems to be the image I project. Not sure what can be done about that.
 
I'm sure some girl will appreciate you for who you are. You're probably just having a streak of bad luck. I think we've ALLLL been there. lol
 
When you're cold with them, do you tell them why you're being cold with them?

There's actually just one I'm ever cold toward with any regularity, and it's because she's the only one who still tries to manipulate me through flirtation. She will usually ask why I'm acting annoyed, and I'll tell her it's because she hasn't paid me back money I've lent her, she's taken too many cigarettes, etc. Then she will get all embarrassed and write me a check or buy me a pack or something.

I was actually prepared to cut her out completely because she led me on when we dated briefly (her friends let me know before it got out of hand), but she spent all summer constantly trying to stay in touch (with no encouragement on my part), and I realized that she wasn't altogether insincere. Now I'm brutally honest with her, and she seems to respect that. Of all the aforementioned girls, she's the only one where I feel I really dodged a bullet.
 
Some of what you say sounds typical of more feminine guys, or guys with more feminine energy, who are stronger when it comes to the feminine qualities or attitbutes. They can be extremely comfortable to be around and easy to interact with but unable to create aattraction, not to mention sexual attraction in most women. I prefer a guy to have some of both, or ideally a bit stronger on the masculine side to create more male-female attraction or opposite-sex fascination.

This is actually important to consider in attraction and male female relationships in general. Guys who are more masculine can make you feel uncomfortable and be hard to talk to, but they can produce more feelings of respect and are naturally more sexually exciting and better at seduction (also more sexual and confident that way in general). From experience the guys I've been with have either been:

a) More feminine - Can be some wonderful relationships, easy to relate to, and you seem to have a lot in common. They tend to have much love to give and be easy to connect with or get close to. In touch with their feelings and comfortable talking about them and expressing them. Typically fulfills all the female relationship-needs easily, as they're so much like yourself and tend to have the same needs and feelings. There are few conflicts or personal differences in general. Seems perfect in many ways, except lower on attraction and sexual interest.

I find there are basiclly two kinds - the kind that is more platonic, sex with them is not that interesting and seems more unnatural, this type isn't that good as you're more like friends and it's kind of boring. The other type is more romantic, or can generate more male-female attraction, and you can have a strong sexual relationship in a more romantic way. This can feel very ideal and what they are lacking in more strong masculine attraction they make up for in other ways.

b) The opposite, stronger on the masculine side or when it comes to the masculine qualities, like strength, power, confidence, etc. Weaker when it comes to the feminine side and more cold with less love to give. Also you can be very different with many natural differences and different needs in a relationship. It will be more like the "Agree to disagree" kind of thing if you still choose to be together, while there is basis for a LOT of conflict if you let it turn out that way as you're so different in many ways.

Their great strength is attraction, not like the attraction of two who feel alike and have a lot in common, but more like the attraction of opposites and fascination you can feel with something different. This can feel very exciting, stimulating, or the opposite of boring and can make up for much of what they don't have. Sexual attraction can be extremely high. Not always the best romantic lovers, but you can to be happy just giving them pleasure and being more submissive to them, it's a bit hard to explain but it's more the type of attraction that goes along with nature and you can get a very strong rush just from touching each other.

But a relationship with someone like this can be hard in many ways if you yourself are more feminine, so it depends if you feel the sexual excitment, etc. is worth it. Because there are a lot of potential conflicts and you can't really fulfill each other's needs that well, which doesn't have to be as much of a problem for them as they tend to be not so sensitive or needy, and as long as you see them when they want and give them enough sex they're happy.

c) Someone who are strong in both or have a combination of both types of qualities and can fulfill both needs. This is not all that common, it's hard enough to find someone who are strong at one side, but they are out there. I just don't have much personal experience, or have managed to hook up with someone like that yet, so I can't really say what it's like but seems like it would be great and if you can choose I would definitely go for that.

This isn't something you can realy control as it's more something that comes natural, but you can influence it to some extent and it's something some guys could use becoming more aware of. Aniother thing is that different women REALLY respond to different things as far as this is concerned. Generally strong, masculine women (think Madonna) can only be attracted to strong masculine men, or who are at least as strong as them, and there's no point for a weak, feminine guy to even try. Unless they are the type who actually prefer weaker men as because they are so scared of men or need to feel in control to feel safe. In that case they can prefer it, though this makes for a pretty shitty relationship where the female is bossing you around and don't really have much genuine respect for you.

When it comes to weaker, more feminine women they can be intimated by very masculine men and sometimes look for someone as gentle and feminine as possible to feel safe. Then again others want someone as masculine as possible as they enjoy the attraction and like being dominated, or might even be looking to be abused, when it comes to the more unhealhy types.

Either way, definitely significant and very interesting overall and one of the first things I notice about a guy is his ratio of feminine/masculine energy and qualities. I'm about 2/3 feminine, 1/3 masculine, and seem to be attracted to both in different ways, and ideally I'd like someone the opposite, or 2/3 masculine. Lack of masculine or feminine energy makes someone out to be unstimulating or lacking in what they have to offer in different ways and will have certain social problems because of it. Though women who are 100% feminine can be very charming and in some cases work.
 
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Interesting theory, Ninae. When it comes to dealing with women, I obviously have a lot of feminine traits (most notably empathy). I must admit that I'm also timid about making waves. As a result, girls tend to see me as a great guy to talk to, but nothing much else.

A lot of guys (particularly feminine ones), however, are intimidated by me, which I find very ironic. They will be pleasant and invite me to hang with them, but they seem to think I'm some sort of threat until they get to know me. They also tend to assume that I've been with a lot of girls. Probably because they see me with a lot of them, making easy small talk with them, and assume I have game.

When it comes to dealing with my life in general, I have a very domimeering personality. When shit hits the fan I'm usually the one to take control of the situation. I have a very high tolerance for risk, EXCEPT when it comes to women. For some reason, I have a hard time with it, and although I don't give up trying, I think my methods are off.
 
I have a very high tolerance for risk, EXCEPT when it comes to women. For some reason, I have a hard time with it, and although I don't give up trying, I think my methods are off.

I think as you're around more and more women, eventually you'll stop caring so much about making waves. Women generally seem to be attracted to guys who are confident in their stock as a mate. If any one girl doesn't jump at the chance to be with you, you have to be confident that other girls will jump at the chance. This "take it or leave it" attitude is really crucial in elevating relationships with women in my experience, and you'll gain this attitude as you gain confidence in your stock as a mate.
 

Out of curiosity why would you post this? Do you think this contributes in anyway positively to the discussion at hand? I realize the irony in even asking this as it doesn't contribute to the thread either but I couldn't refrain this time.

I think one way to not get friend zoned is to pursue someone you don't know all that well and drop not so subtle hints that you're interested. Also it's better to jump the gun than to let it simmer and wait to see what they think, if there's a chance for something to happen and you're waiting to figure yourself out that chance can easily pass.
 
If you're interested in a girl, you need to make it obvious as soon as you can. Don't go overboard. But don't hang out as "just friends" all the time. Go on actual dates. Try and kiss her. Things like that. If you don't do that, it is easy to get "friend zoned". (Although I don't believe completely in being "friend zoned" as you CAN turn it around.)

Seems like you just have some female friends who only like you as a friend. I don't see how that is such a bad thing. You don't even want to be with them all. So why would you be disappointed if that "connection" isn't there?

Having female friends who are "just friends" can also really help you when you're looking for a girl to date and/or sleep with. Female friends have other female friends. Meeting girls through friends can be very convenient :).
 
Females also tend to be better friends in my experience, unless you are a bad judge of character.

:)
 
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