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I'm on mmy 4th cycle, I've never consumed alcohol in any of my previous cycles.

I decided to do an experiment this time since there is contradictory information on the internet about what Dbol / Winstrol do on their own.

I'm on my 4th day of oral Winny, taking 30mg ED and decided to go out last night, ended up drinking half a bottle of wine. Bad.

Today I haven't taken Winstrol to avoid completely destroying my liver.

Do any experienced and educated users have experience with drinking alcohol while taking 17aa (not together, few hours apart) and are there any experts in the are who could tell me exactly what goes on in the liver once it meets a 17aa then 6 hours down the line you drink alcohol?

Should I avoid taking Winny for a few days or should I be good?

I have a very fast metabolism, 27 years old and train n mixed martial arts (bjj / judo / muay thai).
I am 170lbs and 5'11

Any input / critique welcome.

Thanks
 
I have done worse stupidly, on about 75mg hdrol and ostarine drank a fair bit one night. Just have the day off any orals and start again the next day if you feel fine imo. No one can say definitively what damage is done, probably almost none permanently, if you don't repeatedly do it. Cirrhosis is the danger with longer term use and not giving the liver time to repair between cycles or drinking regularly on orals.
 
Steroids generally is bad for the health, but in moderation everything as well is good. SO let's say you take it in moderation, let your body have rest in between taking and just try to cessate if possible.
 
I drank heavily once on 40mg dbol. I was completely fine. Not that I condone drinking on orals, I feel ashamed of myself for doing it actually but it was not drink OR drink and get sex with 2 girls at once...
Drinking alcohol on 17aa steroids is retardad as shit and should be avoided at all costs.
I'm young and rarely drink which is probably why I was fine... I don't poison my liver regularly.
 
If you are that worried about it, get blood work done - test ALT
 
pman said:
If you are that worried about it, get blood work done - test ALT
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Alanine aminotransferase (ALT) alone isn't an indicator of liver damage.. Of note, if training heavy and protein consumption high, there is a likely-hood ALT will show elevated anyway..

Slight increases in ALT and AST caused by muscle damage will usually coincide with elevated CK and normal ALP and GGT....
 
nolys said:
I drank heavily once on 40mg dbol. I was completely fine. Not that I condone drinking on orals, I feel ashamed of myself for doing it actually but it was not drink OR drink and get sex with 2 girls at once...
Drinking alcohol on 17aa steroids is retardad as shit and should be avoided at all costs.
I'm young and rarely drink which is probably why I was fine... I don't poison my liver regularly.
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The process of replacing the hydrogen atom at the 17th alpha position on the D-ring of the steran neucleus, otherwise known as 17-alpha alkylation.... This alkyl group cannot be removed metabolically therefore inhibiting reduction to its inactive 17-keto form, principally inducing notable stress on the liver, thus combined with the liver toxic effects of alcohol would synergistically create greater liver stress.... Is what you really meant eh' nolys.... :)
 
Take Himalya's Livercare. Take it if you take orals or drink regularly. I'd start a month before orals and end a month afterwards but if you are like me and drink, take for the rest of your life. =D
 
Genetic Freak said:
The process of replacing the hydrogen atom at the 17th alpha position on the D-ring of the steran neucleus, otherwise known as 17-alpha alkylation.... This alkyl group cannot be removed metabolically therefore inhibiting reduction to its inactive 17-keto form, principally inducing notable stress on the liver, thus combined with the liver toxic effects of alcohol would synergistically create greater liver stress.... Is what you really meant eh' nolys.... :)
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95% of the people who read this comment will not understand what the fuck it means including myself, which is why general comments not going into detail is much better for harm reduction. Especially if your talking about something like steroids which most users know nothing about apart from eating some tablets and injecting themselves to grow...
 
Basically 17a stresses the liver on its own. Alcohol stresses the liver as well. Together the effects are exponential and it's a "retarded as shit to do".
 
nolys said:
The process of replacing the hydrogen atom at the 17th alpha position on the D-ring of the steran neucleus, otherwise known as 17-alpha alkylation.... This alkyl group cannot be removed metabolically therefore inhibiting reduction to its inactive 17-keto form, principally inducing notable stress on the liver, thus combined with the liver toxic effects of alcohol would synergistically create greater liver stress.... Is what you really meant eh' nolys..

95% of the people who read this comment will not understand what the fuck it means including myself, which is why general comments not going into detail is much better for harm reduction. Especially if your talking about something like steroids which most users know nothing about apart from eating some tablets and injecting themselves to grow...
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Drinking alcohol on 17aa steroids is retardad as shit and should be avoided at all costs.

Is this the kind of mis-spelt retarded comment an "alleged Moderator" on Blue-Light.. should be making..??

This is a web-site for harm reduction, by members coming on board here and asking for advice it shows they are making an effort to learn something about the pharmacological actions of the compounds they are putting into their bodies... There may be members with differing levels of intellect requiring a varied response to questions asked, if there should be a question that poses particular difficulty we can offer it over to our friends in Neuroscience and Pharmacology Discussion, but in general we tend to keep in SD and manage things perfectly well ourselves..

Its my belief the Moderator on any forum should be well versed as far as knowledge and experience in the compounds they are dispensing advise on.... If not, Why not..?

If you don't understand the basics in Anatomy, Physiology, Chemistry, Endocrinology, Exercise and Nutrition, starting with what's happening at molecular level, all that combined with many years or even decades of AAS use.... Why The Bloody Hell are you moderating on the Worlds largest Drug Harm Reduction Web-site...???
 
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I'm sorry I don't have a chemistry degree and don't make it up to your standards GF.
I'm here as a mod as a back up for guido, to delete posts, edit posts, merge threads ect, you know? All that moderator stuff... Why didn't you apply yourself? And clearly if I got the position the other staff felt I was best qualified for the position...

Actually I reccomended you for the position before as I felt you knew your shit but you weren't bothered...

Guido was gone, we needed somebody to monitor the forum and its contents, and make any changes/control the content posted, and I was available...
I see myself as a backup to guido for the times he isn't available to monitor the forum. It doesn't mean I need to have a phd in science...
 
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