First time = took way too much. Trip report followed by questions

[em dee em aye]

So recently I went to a concert I had been waiting to go to for over a year, and I decided to do some molly. I had always planned on doing mdma for the first time at this concert because I wanted it to be an "out-of-this-world" experience. So I have a group of friends that are fairly straight-edge, then I have a group of friends that have no common sense and do a ridiculous amount of drugs. I went to this concert with the 2nd group, and I asked them to get me some molly for the concert. Well, we all got molly and I was really excited.

Little did I know that the amount that I was going to take was about 3x more then I should have (350mg). I was told it was a perfect amount for my first time. I wasn't told the exact dosages till after the concert. The molly was crystally looking and basically as white as physically possible.

00:00 = Right before we went into the venue we all took the ginormous gell caps. My friends all have huge tolerances and I have none.

00:15 = I start to feel a little excited/nervous, and my hearing is starting to be more sensitive

00:25 = I start to have the most intolerable anxiety, and I am completely terrified. My vision is starting to vibrate

00:30 = anxiety is too much and I go sit down, security guard asks if I am ok and I panic and run back to my friends

00:35 = anxiety is ridiculous and I think I am going to have a heart attack. I nearly lose all sense of reality and I tried to go into the VIP section to sit down and the bouncer looks at me like I am ridiculous. I realize I am totally fucked up and I run back to my friends again.

00:45 = anxiety is starting to fade, and the amazing effects are starting to kick in. I begin to enjoy my vision vibrating and my body starts to feel AMAZING.

01:20 = I feel like I am at my peak. I can't even put together a coherent sentence which was annoying, but I felt awesome. My anxiety is still there but not nearly as bad.

01:45 = My anxiety is gone. Pure bliss is all I feel

02:00 = The band begins to perform. I am on the rail as close as possible to the band and I feel like I am one with the band. All I feel is joy. My vision is vibrating less, but I begin to see awesome tracers.

02:30 = I feel like I have rode out the most intense part of the mdma, and I feel like my roll is being less intense. I actually enjoy this feeling the most. I feel amazing yet I can act somewhat like a normal human

03:30 = The concert is over. I wish to everything in the world that it will keep on going. The mdma is still present and I feel just dandy, just not as intense.

05:00 = Afterglow is how I feel now. I now wrap myself in my bed and sleep like a baby.

So my questions are:

If I dosed somewhere around 150mg (im 6'1 180lbs) will I feel the amazing effects without the anxiety at the beginning?

Also, would you recommend rolling in a controlled environment before going to a show again? (I want to roll w/o the anxiety in mid oct at a show)

Finally, how can I convince my crazy friends to not abuse this stuff? They do it atleast once a week...


Overall I enjoyed my experience, the anxiety was ridiculous and if it wasn't for the amazing roll I had afterwards I would never even look at MDMA again. All I want is to know how to get that pure bliss rolling sensation without the anxiety. BTW, I was not nervous at all before digesting and I was completely comfortable in my environment until the MDMA kicked in.

Thanks for anything...

 

[psilence]

If the molly your friends are getting is relatively pure, then 120-150mgs is all you should need. Check erowid out:

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_dose.shtml

Oral MDMA Dosages
Threshold 30 mg
Light 40 - 75 mg
Common (small or sensitive people) 60 - 90 mg
Common (most people) 75 - 125 mg
Common (large or less sensitive people) 110 - 150 mg
Strong 150 - 200 mg
Heavy 200 + mg

Going by that scale, 350mg is way too much to take all at once. Over the course of a night, some people do more than that, but never all at once. I myself only dose 140mg each time, and only dose about 4 times per year (or, every 3 months). It keeps the experience special, as opposed to something that happens every week.

As to how to get your friends to stop abusing it, I yield to the other people here on ED to help you out.

 

[K-Dazed]

Trips reports should be put in the trip report forum. Obviously the questions and valid for ED, but maybe a mod could move the trip report part to the trip report forum, put a link to it in the OP, and keep the questions here?

If I dosed somewhere around 150mg (im 6'1 180lbs) will I feel the amazing effects without the anxiety at the beginning?

Yes. I'd say 150mg is still a little too much, if I were you I'd go for 120mg. 6'1, 180 isn't really that big, so you should feel any "normal" MDMA doses (80-120mgs).

Also, would you recommend rolling in a controlled environment before going to a show again? (I want to roll w/o the anxiety in mid oct at a show)

Yes. If I were you, I'd do it at a friends house or at the beach or something, with friends. Bring weed, bring cigs and bring an iPod, and it's a wonderful time.

Finally, how can I convince my crazy friends to not abuse this stuff? They do it atleast once a week...

Introduce them to BL, and let them know what abusing MDMA can do to you. Navigate this site with them, look in the Directory and show them experiences from people who have abused MDMA first-hand. Hopefully, that can make them quit. Other than that, I'm not sure what else you can do. People who want to do drugs will do drugs, sadly.

 

[roganmaster]

I can definitely say that I can relate to that super anxious feeling of coming up on a higher dose. I've never taken that much at once but I know that feeling when your heart is racing, you feel like your chest is about to explode, you don't like the setting, the music no longer sounds good, and all you want to do is just run around and find a way to make yourself feel comfortable. It's scary.

Dose a lot less, an initial dose of 125-150 is perfect for most people.

 

[AylaV]

So recently I went to a concert I had been waiting to go to for over a year, and I decided to do some molly. I had always planned on doing mdma for the first time at this concert because I wanted it to be an "out-of-this-world" experience. So I have a group of friends that are fairly straight-edge, then I have a group of friends that have no common sense and do a ridiculous amount of drugs. I went to this concert with the 2nd group, and I asked them to get me some molly for the concert. Well, we all got molly and I was really excited.

Little did I know that the amount that I was going to take was about 3x more then I should have (350mg). I was told it was a perfect amount for my first time. I wasn't told the exact dosages till after the concert. The molly was crystally looking and basically as white as physically possible.

00:00 = Right before we went into the venue we all took the ginormous gell caps. My friends all have huge tolerances and I have none.

00:15 = I start to feel a little excited/nervous, and my hearing is starting to be more sensitive

00:25 = I start to have the most intolerable anxiety, and I am completely terrified. My vision is starting to vibrate

00:30 = anxiety is too much and I go sit down, security guard asks if I am ok and I panic and run back to my friends

00:35 = anxiety is ridiculous and I think I am going to have a heart attack. I nearly lose all sense of reality and I tried to go into the VIP section to sit down and the bouncer looks at me like I am ridiculous. I realize I am totally fucked up and I run back to my friends again.

00:45 = anxiety is starting to fade, and the amazing effects are starting to kick in. I begin to enjoy my vision vibrating and my body starts to feel AMAZING.

01:20 = I feel like I am at my peak. I can't even put together a coherent sentence which was annoying, but I felt awesome. My anxiety is still there but not nearly as bad.

01:45 = My anxiety is gone. Pure bliss is all I feel

02:00 = The band begins to perform. I am on the rail as close as possible to the band and I feel like I am one with the band. All I feel is joy. My vision is vibrating less, but I begin to see awesome tracers.

02:30 = I feel like I have rode out the most intense part of the mdma, and I feel like my roll is being less intense. I actually enjoy this feeling the most. I feel amazing yet I can act somewhat like a normal human

03:30 = The concert is over. I wish to everything in the world that it will keep on going. The mdma is still present and I feel just dandy, just not as intense.

05:00 = Afterglow is how I feel now. I now wrap myself in my bed and sleep like a baby.

So my questions are:

If I dosed somewhere around 150mg (im 6'1 180lbs) will I feel the amazing effects without the anxiety at the beginning?

Also, would you recommend rolling in a controlled environment before going to a show again? (I want to roll w/o the anxiety in mid oct at a show)

Finally, how can I convince my crazy friends to not abuse this stuff? They do it atleast once a week...


Overall I enjoyed my experience, the anxiety was ridiculous and if it wasn't for the amazing roll I had afterwards I would never even look at MDMA again. All I want is to know how to get that pure bliss rolling sensation without the anxiety. BTW, I was not nervous at all before digesting and I was completely comfortable in my environment until the MDMA kicked in.

Thanks for anything...

I always wondered my first time how much i wound up dosing myself with from that water bottle.

That trip report sounds exactly like my first time. If you lower the dose, the anxiety / panic attack is a lot better -- especially now that you know what to expect =)

 

[AndroidsDreamofBTC]

00:45 = anxiety is starting to fade, and the amazing effects are starting to kick in. I begin to enjoy my vision vibrating and my body starts to feel AMAZING.

01:20 = I feel like I am at my peak. I can't even put together a coherent sentence which was annoying, but I felt awesome. My anxiety is still there but not nearly as bad.

01:45 = My anxiety is gone. Pure bliss is all I feel

02:00 = The band begins to perform. I am on the rail as close as possible to the band and I feel like I am one with the band. All I feel is joy. My vision is vibrating less, but I begin to see awesome tracers.

I love this part of MDMA. Especially the moment when the anxiety melts away into pure bliss.

I would say you'll still get a little anxiety even when taking a smaller dose. The come-up tends create a little bit of anxiety. It will be much more manageable when you take a smaller dose however.

350mg your first time is quite crazy! Must have been quite the experience!

 

[rollinlikeabigshot]

I got the anxiety the first time i took some molly, but it was no different than the anxiety i feel when fizzling up. I feel like it makes it more worth it, all the worrying dissipate and you are one with what ever you want to do

 

[Legerity]

I'm sure if you lower the dosage for the next time you'll have a lot less anxiety. Personally I feel more comfortable taking pills in a more quiet peaceful environment, which can also help with the anxiety.

Unfortunately all you can do it tell them the risks involved of overdoing MDMA, but people will do what they want and find out the hard way. It was irresponsible of them to suggest you take so much - if they are regular users they should know that you don't need the same amount as they do for your first roll. It is easy to get carried away with drug use when your group is irresponsible, just do your best not to get sucked into their excesses.

 

[augustaB]

Thanks for posting this.
I hope that other people planning to take mdma for the first time can learn from your experience.

1) A good starting point for a first timer is half a normal dose (about 50 to 75 mg for most people)
2) On the first time be with people who can provide reassurance and tell you that the panicky stage will quickly pass.

Your first roll could very nearly have turned very ugly. You were lucky.