Misc First time Kratom User (Kind of) looking for some guidance

[ThisIsKitty]

A little back story on my Tylenol 4 (Codeine) and Percocet CWEs and minor liver damage

Hello Bluelight, long time no talk! I was the guy always posting pictures of my Cold Water Extractions to make 100% sure I got all my tylenol out and I wasn't messing up my liver. Even after Re-filtering several times and confirmations from you guys via pictures.. I still ended up messing it up. No blame on you guys though, because the solutions were crystal clear and it still baffles me as to how I managed to screw up so badly. That being said, all is well now. My enzymes in my liver were grossly elevated and I was urinating blood for a bit. Despite all that the doc says my liver levels have gone back to normal. Thank god.

I completely kicked anything to do with Tylenol, and I have one beer every blue moon now. Drinking has been almost axed in my life which is a big step and a nice change. After doing some research for Painkiller alternatives, I found out about Kratom. I never bothered with it because I didn't know where to find it until a week ago I went to a local headshop and they were advertising it. I excitedly bought 2gs of "extracted 30x" and downed the thing when I got home. Didn't get much from it just extremely tired and minimal euphoria. However, that was enough to trigger my curiosity. I went to a website called Madam Kratom and ordered some Red Vein Bali (Heard it was most like an Opiate high). I decided to drop $50 on 4 Ozs of the stuff. My apologies of this is considered advertising I will remove the name of the website if I must

How much do I take/how should I take it?

First time around I took the whole baggy of the 2gs but I wasn't satisfied. This was from a headshop and I was told to avoid these like the plague. I just ordered 4ozs from Madam Kratom, the Red Vein Bali and I was curious as to how much I should take and what way should I go about doing it? First time I did it I mixed it into a mixed berry drink and just washed it down but is there another more effective way to going about this other than smoking it? Heard teas were a no-no

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

First off, don't buy it from head shops for a multitude of reasons. It's going to become outlawed with a quickness now that it is rampant in smokeshops in suburban neighborhoods, scaring soccer moms with news reports of "your kids hallucinating on the new bath salts". That, and extracts suck, and things in pretty-packaging suck even more.

Get some good ol' regular powdered bali leaf from any kratom/ethno website. Weigh out about ~3-4g, mix it in WELL with orange juice (it will not dissolve) and then pound it. Chase with water or a non-carbonated drink, and then eat something light. Soon you will find yourself compulsively cleaning, thinking to yourself how much you love your place and how you need to call that old friend and catch up, as well as lots of other typical opioid effects with a slight caffeine-like boost. Re-dosing gives a minimal effect, wait several days before dosing again and tolerance will barely build.

Enjoy!

 

[ThisIsKitty]

I just have to work on getting a scale. I recently lost my house and my job due to a serious illness which was around the time my liver started giving to add insult to injury; and now I'm back home with the parents. Its really embarrassing. With that said though, hiding a scale in the house is troublesome as my parents are very anti drug. I gave them a heads up about my online order stating it was Tea for the disease I recently had (C Difficile)

Any other way to scale things out? Im gonna guess no, so measuring out and eyeballing grams will be tough. Would using teaspoons help ballpark? If its anything like weed, I doubt it.

 

[Freon]

A friend of mine (really a friend) used to always tell his parents his digital scale was for weighing out protein powders and such.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

I just have to work on getting a scale. I recently lost my house and my job due to a serious illness which was around the time my liver started giving to add insult to injury; and now I'm back home with the parents. Its really embarrassing. With that said though, hiding a scale in the house is troublesome as my parents are very anti drug. I gave them a heads up about my online order stating it was Tea for the disease I recently had (C Difficile)

Any other way to scale things out? Im gonna guess no, so measuring out and eyeballing grams will be tough. Would using teaspoons help ballpark? If its anything like weed, I doubt it.

A non packed level measuring teaspoon weighs 2.5 grams. Some will argue that kratom can have a significant difference in weight but this hasn't been my experience. I've weighed out 5 different strains, plain leaf and extract from two different vendors and they were all consistent within 100mg.

Like Seattle said OJ is good and vegetable juice works even better at masking the taste but not everyone likes V8. The easiest way to get it stirred in is either put it in a bottle and shake or you can put an inch or so of hot water which will allow the kratom to stir in instantly then you can fill the cup the rest of the way with whatever beverage you find works best.

 

[ThisIsKitty]

Well my 1 oz just came in the mail today of some nice Red Veign Borneo. Im not sure if I took too much for a first timer but out of the 25gs I recieved, I'd say Ive consumed at least a little over a half of it throughout the day. I don't feel sick or anything just really tired, heading into my final high of the day before I call it a night. I'd say Ive probably tossed n washed 14 grams total. Ive been experimenting with it today because for the next few days I wont be able to have any. Any issues health-wise I may possibly encounter for this slight one day binge? I mean, I've heard of people doing upwards of 30g+ a day. I understand withdrawal but I doubt Ill get any of that from one day

 

[Stotched]

Redosing sucks with kratom. Works like any other opiate, where the first high of the day is best. I've found you can top up if you take a little more less than an hour after you dose but otherwise you need to just ride it out if you get a shitty buzz. After using kratom for 4+ years now, I've found that sometimes you just get a crappy buzz for whatever reason. Maybe 1/5 times I get a really dissapointing buzz. 3/5 times it'll be decent, and another 1/5 times it'll be like a true opiate buzz. I don't know why kratom seems to vary in it's highs, even at the same dosage though.

If you get a shitty buzz top off in 30 minutes. If it's still shitty, you need to wait at least 4.5 hours. Waiting 5-6 works best, but redosing any sooner than 4.5 hours is a complete waste of time and kratom.

 

[zzz101]

cheers for those tips m9, i also noticed that. sometimes (rarely) the high wont work.. then i waited 5ish hours, re-dosed. then the high didn't take off. it felt like i was coming down from a nice oxy dose, so it was nice anyway.

do you ever use it daily? i have, but trying not to. i've felt the minor withdrawls from it, just the aches in legs and unable to lay or keep still at all(when sleeping). you ever had that?

teaspooon, yeah you also got to make sure to even it out. i had like 6 big teaspoons haha, i just guessed that it was 6ish g but now i know it is not hah.