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first time GBL user

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big_head

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myself and a few mates have decided to try ghb for the first time.

We aren't really sure what we have (ghb/gbl/1.4).

I'm extremely worried about dosage etc.

since we don't know which is it and how pure it's going to be what would be a safe reccomended dose?

the guy we got it off said to have atleast 1.5 - 2mls straight up, but i'm thinking more along the lines of 1 - 1.25 mls just to be on the safe side.


when and how much should i increase the dosage if i don't get great effects?

do i do 1.25 ml and wait 90 mins and then do another ml? or higher than the first dosage?

anything i should look out for?


thanks <3
 
If you don't know what it is definitely start as small as possible. You can always take more, but you can't take less. Try 1.25-1.50 and see what it does before taking any more.
 
Gbl will have a strong chemical taste while ghb will taste almost salty if it is made with sodium hydroxide. Start with a very small dose. Don't redose more than once every 2 hours. Ghb is pretty subtle but great in smaller doses. You'll feel great, be more talkative, music will sound better. If you take too much, trust me, it will be a horrible experience.
 
GenericMind said:
If you don't know what it is definitely start as small as possible. You can always take more, but you can't take less. Try 1.25-1.50 and see what it does before taking any more.
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Yeah we decided to take 1.25 and then wait 2 hours and if needed we will do another .5 or more just to see how it goes.

thanks
 
the girl said:
Gbl will have a strong chemical taste while ghb will taste almost salty if it is made with sodium hydroxide. Start with a very small dose. Don't redose more than once every 2 hours. Ghb is pretty subtle but great in smaller doses. You'll feel great, be more talkative, music will sound better. If you take too much, trust me, it will be a horrible experience.
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I just tasted a little then on my tongue and it was more chemically tasting than salty but i'm no expert.

We put it in the fridge and it didn't freeze.
 
if its 1/4 butanol you will know it the taste is downright disgusting and it burns a lil going down.
 
The chemical taste and the dosage suggested sound quite a lot like you may be dealing with GBL here. 1ml is a sensible starting dosage with GBL but neither me nor anyone here can tell you what you have for definite. Either way if you're going to redose it's best to wait about 2 hours because if not the doses can overlap causing a possible overdose.
 
Start low so you can asses your tolerance, although a small-medium overdose from any of them (up to 4mls on GBL slightly more on GHB if compared mls t grams), sans any other intoxicant, will have you sent to a wakable coma.
 
from the small dosage and chemical taste it sounds more like you've got GBL - if the liquid has a sort of yellowish tint to it that would also hint at GBL

some things others haven't mentioned

first off, make sure you take it on an empty stomach - if you've eaten within the last 2 hours or so before dosing the effects will be extremely diminished

if it is GBL, rather than GHB, it will be extremely caustic. first off, you can't store it in plastic because of this, or it will burn through it. It can also be very harsh on your stomach (or mouth if you like dosing straight onto your tongue) so wash it down with some water, and if you want to avoid heartburn then drink a glass or two of water with it. Antacids also help. The damage on your stomach doesn't really matter unless you become a very regular user but just keep it in mind.

anyway, sounds like you're being good about being careful with it, and you're wise to start with a lower dose and work your way up. As others said, wait at least 2 hours before redosing if it's not working. If you're just under your 'sweet spot' and take that same dose again too soon, you'll be feeling very very sick. Eventually you'll find the right dose for you and work from there. enjoy

edit: sorry only just saw that last part of your post - redosing is different for everyone but for me when I was always getting the same strength batch I would usually start out with my full dose and then redose with about half of that every 45 mins or so . . . but that's just how i do it, could work differently for you (also mind you, this was after months of a daily habit) - I would never redose with more than my initial dose though
 
well we attempted to do it last night


my mate didn't end up having 10ml in his bottle and there was only 3ml left between the three of us....

so we had 1ml each to start off with, because that's all we had and after an hour and a half we didn't have any effects except an increased heart rate so we bought some more g and redosed with 0.7 ml each.


still no effects really, we felt slightly happier but hardly noticable.


It's a shame we couldn't dose higher to begin with and i'm guessing it was just a waste doing 1ml.


tonight we are going to do it right and start with 1.5ml and work our way up from there.

a friend told me if you had g the night before you still have to take a small amount the night after because it's still waiting in your system, i doubt that's true? so we are just going to do 1.5 anyway
 
big_head said:
well we attempted to do it last night


my mate didn't end up having 10ml in his bottle and there was only 3ml left between the three of us....

so we had 1ml each to start off with, because that's all we had and after an hour and a half we didn't have any effects except an increased heart rate so we bought some more g and redosed with 0.7 ml each.


still no effects really, we felt slightly happier but hardly noticable.


It's a shame we couldn't dose higher to begin with and i'm guessing it was just a waste doing 1ml.


tonight we are going to do it right and start with 1.5ml and work our way up from there.

a friend told me if you had g the night before you still have to take a small amount the night after because it's still waiting in your system, i doubt that's true? so we are just going to do 1.5 anyway
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Yes just go with the full 1.5 - it doesn't stay in you system that long.

In all honesty I usually just go with the dose that is recommended from whoever I get it from, but this site is about harm reduction and I don't know how reliable/trustworthy your supplier is so I didn't recommend this at first. Your guy said 1.5 - 2 mls . . . I'd say go with 1.5 on an EMPTY stomach (no food in the last 2 or 3 hours) and wait an hour. If you don't feel anything after the hour, take another 0.5 - 0.75 mls - only if you feel NOTHING though . . . if you feel a little bit, then wait another half hour or so before boosting your dose

Also keep in mind that for a lot of people, G can be a VERY subtle drug for the first few times. When I was less responsible, when friends wanted to try G from me, I'd give them some, they would insist they didn't feel anything at all after an hour and bug me for more. So I would redose them and then 15 minutes later they'd whine about how it was too much and pass out for an hour or whatever. Nowadays they actually recognize the high on the same doses as before but yeah I don't ever redose anyone that isn't experienced any more.

Edit: Also, remember to have an empty stomach - it makes a WORLD of difference in how strong the effects will be.

another edit: give it a good shake before you dose with it, dunno if it's just in my head but I find that when I've had my stuff sitting around the strength seemed to be insonsistent as I went through the bottle if I hadn't been shaking it up.
 
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Somebody said GBL is caustic - it's not it's slightly acidic. If its GBL, when the bottle is opened and smelt, it will have a very faint smell of like a vinyl hosepipe spraying water on a summers day.....more like the smell of the actual hosepipe after spraying....IT does and will taste foul! (It is used as a paintstripper)

GHB has a distinct stronger smell instantly recognisable I can't describe in an effective manner...so far....
It will taste salty as its normally in the form of a salt (powder or disolved in water) - that salt will be sodium, potassium in most cases.

The effects should start to be felt after about 10 mins BUT definately after 30 mins - you will be totally aware of it by then, it will have worn off at normal dosage after 2 hours.

Dosage is difficult as it depends on dilution and of what...BUT from the sound of it, it definately sounds like GBL - If pure (that's a big if as it mixes with water with ease)...Do 1.5ml mixed with blackcurrant and apple squash (50/50 squash:water) and work your way up until one finds ones dosage.

IMHO - GBL is not something worth messing with - converted to GHB it will be a safer more reliable substance.
 
EarlGrey said:
Somebody said GBL is caustic - it's not it's slightly acidic. . . .
. . . .The effects should start to be felt after about 10 mins BUT definately after 30 mins - you will be totally aware of it by then, it will have worn off at normal dosage after 2 hours . . .
. . .IMHO - GBL is not something worth messing with - converted to GHB it will be a safer more reliable substance.
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Sorry, you're probably right, I don't really know exactly what 'caustic' means, I'd just heard that word used many times . . . whatever the terminology, it eats through plastic and will burn your mouth if you drink it straight without anything.

You're also right on feeling it that quickly, I just err on the side of caution because as I mentioned before, SO many new users don't recognize the effects at all, want more, overdose, etc.

You're also right on converting it to GHB, but most new/infrequent users are getting such small quantities that it's not worth the trouble. Conversion is easy but yeah the damage GBL does to your stomach is really quite negligible until you step into the realm of very frequent/daily usage.
 
You have heard caustic from the sodium hydroxide used in coverting GBL into GHB. The word you are looking for is corrosive.

First time users will get nothing out of it. I know I did. All it did was make me dizzy and nauseous at higher doses, at lower doses it did hardly anything. In reality it is not that good a drug, although its tranquilising effects are worthy.
 
El_Toro said:
You have heard caustic from the sodium hydroxide used in coverting GBL into GHB. The word you are looking for is corrosive.

First time users will get nothing out of it. I know I did. All it did was make me dizzy and nauseous at higher doses, at lower doses it did hardly anything. In reality it is not that good a drug, although its tranquilising effects are worthy.
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I dunno, i wouldn't go so far as to say it's not that good a drug. I've had both GHB and GBL as well as 1,4B and the subjective differences in effects are incredibly subtle. I can have just as much fun on any of the 3 - the only real difference I noticed was that with my VERY regular usage of GBL I started to develop incredibly nasty heartburn and the withdrawls were much harsher than with GHB . . . that's why I say that with infrequent use it's not really neccessary to convert to GHB.

Really just sounds like you didn't find your sweet spot - low doses do nothing for me and too much makes me feel dizzy and pukey . . . in between is a nice warm body buzz and mood lift.

So, by the way, what does 'caustic' actually mean? I thought it was just a synonym for corrosive.
 
well we tried it again last night and didn't get any great effects again :(

we had 1.6ml to start off with, squirted it into our mouthes and chased with orange juice (horrible taste, almost vomited )

around 30 mins after having it we felt slightly drunk and a little confused/blurry vision but it was very mild and hardly noticable - the equivalent of having say 1 or two alcoholic drinks, certainly not the effects we desired.

after an hour and 20 mins we redosed with .07 ml and then nothing really

i did find it easier to dance and socialise but such small effects were more than likely a placebo.


next time i try it do you reccomend doing 2ml to begin with?
are we only getting small effects because we are first timers? or is it because the gear we're getting is weak/watered down?


thanks
 
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