First time Delsym trip question(s)

[langdon02]

Hi, everyone. First time poster here, but I have lurked around the forums occasionally.

My friend James is interested in trying DXM for the first time. He intends to consume a 3 Oz. bottle of Delsym cough syrup in the interest of becoming intoxicated. However, he has a few questions first, which are

1. If he were to take it at around 10:00 PM and had to wake up at around 10:30 am the next day, would he be able to act reasonably normal after freshening up and going out? + If someone wakes him up, would he be acting any more fucked up than a groggy person normally would? He understands that Delysm is longer acting so if he is still going to be noticeably fucked up at the time he wakes up he needs to postpone the trip.

2. How long will the residual effects last? If he's noticing an afterglow for a couple days that would be fine but month-long after effects or even permanent HPPD is not okay as he has exams he needs to take in about a month.

Also, James has adderall he can take next day if it would help him focus/keep a clear head.

James thanks everyone here for all their help.

Additional info: James weighs approx 144 pounds and is 5'5-5'6 tall. He is also wondering how long it will be before he can sleep. He also understands the difference between DXM HBr and Polysterex, which is why he is nervous about the duration. Thanks.

 

[MagickalKat777]

Hi, everyone. First time poster here, but I have lurked around the forums occasionally.

My friend James is interested in trying DXM for the first time. He intends to consume a 3 Oz. bottle of Delsym cough syrup in the interest of becoming intoxicated. However, he has a few questions first, which are

1. If he were to take it at around 10:00 PM and had to wake up at around 10:30 am the next day, would he be able to act reasonably normal after freshening up and going out? + If someone wakes him up, would he be acting any more fucked up than a groggy person normally would? He understands that Delysm is longer acting so if he is still going to be noticeably fucked up at the time he wakes up he needs to postpone the trip.

2. How long will the residual effects last? If he's noticing an afterglow for a couple days that would be fine but month-long after effects or even permanent HPPD is not okay as he has exams he needs to take in about a month.

James thanks everyone here for all their help.

Tell James not to use Delsym for this purpose. Delsym is a delayed-release formulation of dextromethorphan that is made by coating the molecule in an edible plastic. It not only extends the duration of the experience but it modifies the conversion ratio of DXM to DXO - high dose DXM is extraordinarily unpleasant because of the receptors that it hits and its monoamine affinities. I have heard of a few reports of using Delsym and all of them have mentioned a good 2 or 3 hours of tachycardia, panic, and then a 10+ hour duration of a miserable trip.

Cough syrup only works because of a process that converts DXM which has very little affinity for NMDA to DXO which has a moderate-high affinity for NMDA. This conversion gets bungled completely by Delsym. I use Delsym to drop my tolerance to substances to but I find taking 30mL (180mg of Dextromethorphan polisterex) to be very unpleasant whereas 180mg of robitussin would give me a mild drunken roll feeling that lasted a few hours and a mood lift.

If James does this, there is a good chance he won't want to robo trip ever again and if he is at all prone to anxiety, a panic attack is a strong possibility.


Caution aside, some people DO enjoy the experience so I will answer your questions.

1) The after-effects of Delsym last a good few hours after the trip ends but as long as he realizes that he most likely will not be sleeping at all, that this is a high bodyload experience and he will be drained, he should be fine. Here comes one of the big problems with Delsym - some people get MORE intoxicated from Delsym than the same dose of regular DXM while most are less intoxicated for a longer period of time. 3 ounces of Delsym is I believe somewhere around 530mg so if he happens to have a sensitivity to Delsym, he's going to have a very difficult time communicating if someone wakes him up. Alcohol doesn't make me slur my speech but fuck all if I have to carry on a conversation on high dose DXM. Not only do you have a hard time saying the words but the sentence structure is completely gone and the sound of your own voice distortion will not help matters. If he's like most, he wouldn't have any problems communicating at that dose provided that he is over the 6 hour mark. I would postpone the trip to be safe if he expects to be functional the next day.

2) He will probably have an afterglow for 24-36 hours but permanent HPPD from a single administration of DXM is practically unheard of unless you're in the gram range - and that's normal DXM powder, not Delsym.

I did find one thing on the net that may be of value. Dump the Delsym into gatorade, shake it up, let it sit for a few minutes, then shake it up again, then chug it. Apparently this is supposed to break the plastic coating and allow for a faster onset and a shorter duration - polisterex normally takes around 2 hours to begin the plateau otherwise.

 

[langdon02]

Tell James not to use Delsym for this purpose. Delsym is a delayed-release formulation of dextromethorphan that is made by coating the molecule in an edible plastic. It not only extends the duration of the experience but it modifies the conversion ratio of DXM to DXO - high dose DXM is extraordinarily unpleasant because of the receptors that it hits and its monoamine affinities. I have heard of a few reports of using Delsym and all of them have mentioned a good 2 or 3 hours of tachycardia, panic, and then a 10+ hour duration of a miserable trip.

Cough syrup only works because of a process that converts DXM which has very little affinity for NMDA to DXO which has a moderate-high affinity for NMDA. This conversion gets bungled completely by Delsym. I use Delsym to drop my tolerance to substances to but I find taking 30mL (180mg of Dextromethorphan polisterex) to be very unpleasant whereas 180mg of robitussin would give me a mild drunken roll feeling that lasted a few hours and a mood lift.

If James does this, there is a good chance he won't want to robo trip ever again and if he is at all prone to anxiety, a panic attack is a strong possibility.

James only has this on hand, and understands that this is a possibility, but has heard reports from others that claim they liked it as much, if not more than the HBr variety. the DXM-DXO ratio produces a notably different, but not necessarily worse trip. He is mainly inquiring about the duration, and if he'll be able to act semi-normal the morning after, waking up and whatnot. a high possibility of slurring and stumbling around uncontrollably is unacceptable. He intends to try Delsym, mainly out of curiosity. He is not prone to panic attacks, however.

 

[Mysterie]

please tell james that you dont have to pretend your posting for a friend, it doesnt offer any extra security should the DEA come knocking hearing about your dxm abuse

 

[MagickalKat777]

I edited my post above, see the changes.

I was a bit harsh in that post and I apologize. I have seen a few of my friends flip out on Delsym but I am aware that some people like it. I was always a Robitussion Max or Robo DM tripper, never bothered with Delsym because of the horror stories and because of the effects I myself experienced from a 3x recommended dose administration. I realize that not everybody reacts like me.

 

[langdon02]

When you say six hour mark, are you referring to 6 hours after taking it or 6 hours after the onset of the drug? need to know if I should take it earlier or not. Currently he's leaning towards taking it. What he has to do the next day is go help format a newspaper he works at and bang out an article, if that helps at all. Time he gets there is somewhat loose though, he could be late

 

[MagickalKat777]

NMDA antagonists are well known for serious brain fog, even memantine, which has no psychotomimetic effects in any known dose, caused me to have extreme brain fog at 40mg/day for the first two weeks I was taking it. I remember my robo tripping days and if I didn't have the job I did (host at Applebee's), I would not survive after tripping and then going to work. I even got confused with the seating chart a few times although I don't remember if that was while I was actively tripping (I drank an 8 ounce bottle of DM a few shifts a week there) but I doubt it. NMDA antagonists temporarily disrupt the excitatory neurotransmitter glutamate so they tend to temporarily make you somewhat stupid. I don't know if the effects would have worn off in time to be able to "bang out" anything.

The 6 hour mark means 6 hours after you hit the plateau so 7-8 hours roughly.

 

[langdon02]

Huh. Okay. Thinking he may slam it early and bang out the article before the effects hit me. As long as he can communicate normally and is not noticeably fucked up he should be fine. He can be very spacey at times so it shouldn't be too out of the ordinary; he's got add. two last questions though; will the stupidness be gone in time to write an essay for sunday, and would adderall help with the stupidity? Thank you.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I wouldn't mix Adderall with DXM under any circumstances because of the norepinephrine reuptake inhibition of DXM personally. Some people actually use NMDA antagonists FOR ADD (in low doses obviously). I can't see the fog lasting through Sunday if you did it on a Friday night. The brain fog from regular DXM is usually gone 4 hours after the trip ends - at worse, I would say you could have brain fog for 12 hours with Delsym but more than likely it would be 6 hours.

I always tend to err on the side of caution when giving advice because I've asked for advice before and gotten incorrect information and really gotten myself in some less than ideal situations as a result.

The drug has a pretty rapid clearance once it starts dissipating, I would imagine that with Delsym you're just looking at around twice as long (realistically, I would say its more like 60-80& but once again, erring on the side of caution) as DXM HBr.

 

[DickTate]

Huh. Okay. Thinking he may slam it early and bang out the article before the effects hit me. As long as he can communicate normally and is not noticeably fucked up he should be fine.

DXM will make you noticeably fucked up and in addition will make you walk like a stiff robot I agree with MagickalCat, don't use Adderal in Combo since it is potentially dangerous.

Did you do an allergy test? Because some people have an enzyme deficiency and react very drastically to even low doses of DXM.
Also the after effects last very long with DXM Hbr and even much longer with the Polistirex so you won't be able to function 100% the next day.

I suggest to do more research, definitely an allergy test or it could become very unpleasant and maybe life-threatening at higher doses, and get another product which contains HBR and not the Polistirex.

DXM is nothing to fuck with irresponsibly.

 

[langdon02]

I took about 10 ml of it with no noticeable effects. And I'm not worried about looking fucked up actually during the trip, just about 12-14 hours after ingestion.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I took about 10 ml of it with no noticeable effects. And I'm not worried about looking fucked up actually during the trip, just about 12-14 hours after ingestion.

Yeah, 10mL of Delsym isn't anything but its good that you did an allergy test.

As for 12-14 hours after ingestion, you wouldn't be noticeably fucked up anymore by that point but you will still be altered and have the brain fog.

 

[.22]

they have capsules of pure dxm

AND it doesnt make u walk like a "robot" .. "robo" trip comes from robotussin

u feel weightless , so if someone talks about the walk thats what its about

 

[MagickalKat777]

He has Delsym on hand so that is what he chose to use.

And I don't know what you would call walking on 3rd and 4th plateau doses of DXM but it is very hard to walk and it is VERY apparent to those around you. Personally, I've never seen someone on DXM as I was the only one in my circle who ever got into it but you should try not to move around too much during the plateau. The best trips I've had on it were while lying in my bed in the dark with headphones on playing Plastikman, Infected Mushroom, or Shpongle. I would get up if I had to pee but my coordination was shot with high doses.

Then again, I almost always did a plateau sigma to get more out of a bottle than just drinking it all at once so I got pretty damn fucked up every time I did it.

And I damn sure never felt weightless. Quite the opposite actually. Working out on DXM was an amazing experience though - I had to stop doing that because of how many days my muscles would be sore from the over-exertion...

 

[.22]

yeah generally youll wanna be in an environment with music and a bed .. esp on a 3rd or 4th plat
but ive found myself enjoying it socially as well [even tho noone i was around was also tripping -
but i could see how i would have fun tripping with others and leaving the nest also - mainly for a 3rd plat trip - an of course a 2nd]

 

[MagickalKat777]

I went cosmic bowling on a DXM/5-MeO-AMT combo and had a fucking blast... Up until we got kicked out because I went to go bowl when it was my turn and I skipped the ball over our lane and got a strike on the lane to our left.

I am not saying that its not fun to go out but the bodyload can be kind of heavy. I tried a 1st plateau at a rave and didn't really enjoy it even though 1st plateau almost always feels like a decent medium dose MDA or high dose MDE roll for me. It was very uncomfortable and I just had to sit down as I got really dizzy from the lights and such - I never repeated that test.

I was, for the most part, totally functional on 2nd plateau doses though. As a matter of fact, my constant 2nd plateau tripping when I worked at Applebee's is the only thing that made that place even remotely bearable to be honest.

 

[EliCash]

James only has this on hand, and understands that this is a possibility, but has heard reports from others that claim they liked it as much, if not more than the HBr variety. the DXM-DXO ratio produces a notably different, but not necessarily worse trip. He is mainly inquiring about the duration, and if he'll be able to act semi-normal the morning after, waking up and whatnot. a high possibility of slurring and stumbling around uncontrollably is unacceptable. He intends to try Delsym, mainly out of curiosity. He is not prone to panic attacks, however.

One of the biggest things about DXM is its availibility as an OTC medication, so the fact that you have the Delsym on hand isn't exactly a good reason to ignore the fact that DXM HBr is significantly preferable to HBr when it comes to dosing and timing your trip.

Huh. Okay. Thinking he may slam it early and bang out the article before the effects hit me. As long as he can communicate normally and is not noticeably fucked up he should be fine. He can be very spacey at times so it shouldn't be too out of the ordinary; he's got add. two last questions though; will the stupidness be gone in time to write an essay for sunday, and would adderall help with the stupidity? Thank you.

Oops lolol

I took about 10 ml of it with no noticeable effects. And I'm not worried about looking fucked up actually during the trip, just about 12-14 hours after ingestion.

It depends on the dosage, I strongly advise you go to CVS and get some generic Robitussin that contains only DXM HBr instead of taking the DXM polistirex in the Delsym. For one the Delsym significantly increases the likelyhood that you will seem fucked up 12-24hrs after the trip, DXM polistirex is also thought to be more toxic than DXM HBr.

My personal experience was that 1st and 2nd plateau trips left me feeling nothing but an afterglow in the morning, though I was tired as hell because I didn't sleep much that night because I was tripping for most of it. I would typically dose around 9-10pm and get up 10 or so hours later. 3rd plateau left me feeling dumb as a rock the next day, and I ended up in the hospital after my parents woke me up the morning after a 4th plateau trip and I was essentially still tripping...

Also, do yourself a favor and figure out the right dosage for the plateau you want to hit using a DXM calculator, don't just decide "I've got 3oz of Delsym so I'll take whatever mg is in 3oz of Delsym"

 

[MagickalKat777]

There is 534mg of DXM in a bottle of Delsym and I'd like to see something that says that Delsym is more toxic than Robitussin. You have to take the inactive ingredients into account as well.

I agree with you that its not ideal for robotripping but the assertion that it is more toxic than HBr is up for debate...

 

[EliCash]

There is 534mg of DXM in a bottle of Delsym and I'd like to see something that says that Delsym is more toxic than Robitussin. You have to take the inactive ingredients into account as well.

I agree with you that its not ideal for robotripping but the assertion that it is more toxic than HBr is up for debate...

I edited the part of my post that said HBr is safer to reflect the fact that I meant you're more likely to hit your intended plateau and less likely to end up feeling the effects the next day, but when I adressed toxicity I said, it is thought to be more toxic not it IS more toxic, and I got that from section 4.3 of the DXM FAQ. Though I have never been able to track down the article he cites.

Also, considering James is 144lbs and his bottle of delsym contains 534mg of DXM that should be 2nd/3rd plateau. It would be 3rd for HBr, but many say polistirex not only increases duration but noticeably decreases peak intensity, making it possible he would only reach 2nd. Considering polistirex will increase the duration of the whole experience I would still say that puts him at risk for seeming off the next morning, though I imagine people would assume you were sick or hungover before they guessed you'd been tripping on cough syrup the night before.

My biggest issue with Polistirex is that it forces you to start ballparking dosages to compensate for the time release whereas taking HBr allows you to calculate the proper mg/kg to almost garauntee what plateau you will hit.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I edited the part of my post that said HBr is safer to reflect the fact that I meant you're more likely to hit your intended plateau and less likely to end up feeling the effects the next day, but when I adressed toxicity I said, it is thought to be more toxic not it IS more toxic, and I got that from section 4.3 of the DXM FAQ. Though I have never been able to track down the article he cites.

Also, considering James is 144lbs and his bottle of delsym contains 534mg of DXM that should be 2nd/3rd plateau. It would be 3rd for HBr, but many say polistirex not only increases duration but noticeably decreases peak intensity, making it possible he would only reach 2nd. Considering polistirex will increase the duration of the whole experience I would still say that puts him at risk for seeming off the next morning, though I imagine people would assume you were sick or hungover before they guessed you'd been tripping on cough syrup the night before.

My biggest issue with Polistirex is that it forces you to start ballparking dosages to compensate for the time release whereas taking HBr allows you to calculate the proper mg/kg to almost garauntee what plateau you will hit.

Yeah the DXM FAQ is the only place I've ever seen mention of Delsym toxicity other than increased initial side effects due to DXM being present longer than it would be with HBr.

I agree with you about the rest although some people actually have a tendency to get MORE messed up from polistirex than they do from hydrobromide. This is actually somewhat plausible to me because if something is introduced to the system that breaks the plastic open entirely later on, it could very well lead to a plateau sigma such as what happens when drinking an amount of robo and then drinking more during the trip. I almost always did a plateau sigma both for the extended duration and the ease of hitting high 3rd and 4th plateaus pretty consistently with less syrup.