Misc First time addicted to gbl, help!

[milfhunter]

Hey BL

So, get this: I'm a very experienced drug user (ghb, heroin, mephedrone, basically everything) but because of my job, I basically quit everything. But, since I'm a high school teacher and had nothing to do for two weeks because of the Christmas holiday, I ordered some etizolam, gbl and mephedrone.
I basically used the gbl for two weeks 24/7 and now I'm having some withdrawals. They're not too bad (sweat palms, weird heartbeat, some derealisation), but it's just horrible to just sit here at home having nothing to do but to wait them out. So I just keep redosing.
I'd like to quit cold turkey but I'm afraid it just won't work because I'm sooooo bored at home. So I'd like to detox next week when school starts again, but because I'm a high school teacher I'd rather not use drugs at school.
I'm afraid I don't have any benzo's atm but I expect to have a large schipment of etizolam coming in somewhere next week.

What do you suggest me to do? I can't drink alcohol because I'm on antabuse (the pills that make you sick when you drink) and it's not an option to stop taking them.

 

[xxxyyy]

since you're on disulfiram i assume there is an existing history with alcoholism. in that case it should be fairly easy to get baclofen scripted, which is the only med i ever tried that actually worked really well for GBL WD. it has virtually no abuse potential and will take away all physical WD symptoms. you'll still be a bit down but it's managable.
failing that, phenibut is always an option.
i've successfully tapered off from GBL with the aid of pot and benzos to smoothe out the edges. i tapered off over 3 weeks, which i think is just about the minimum of time you'll need to plan on feeling a bit off. and that'll only work if you can keep dosing the whole day, especially since GBL is so short acting.

 

[milfhunter]

Just came back from the doc. Didn't explain the situation because she already knows I have a history with addiction so I just gave her some bs story. She gave me 20 0,5mg xanax. What do you suggest me to do with these? Take these and just don't take any gbl anymore? Cause that's what I'd prefer. It's been 3,5 hours since my last dose and I feel alright, starting to feel kinda weird though.

 

[milfhunter]

So, 4 hours after my last dose, I was already feeling the effects of 0,5mg alprazolam but to be honest, it didn't really help all that much with the gbl WD's, so I took 2ml of gbl. Keep in mind that yesterday, I was taking 4-5ml of gbl, and now I'm already on the couch getting KTFO'd by 2ml so I should thank the xanax for that.
Obviously no more feeling weird (so hard to describe, kinda like derealisation), sweaty palms or numb fingers. Hopefully next dose won't be for another 4 hours and will be even less than 2ml. Do you think that it will be possible to taper off like this and be clean by Monday, when I have to teach again?

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

So, 4 hours after my last dose, I was already feeling the effects of 0,5mg alprazolam but to be honest, it didn't really help all that much with the gbl WD's, so I took 2ml of gbl. Keep in mind that yesterday, I was taking 4-5ml of gbl, and now I'm already on the couch getting KTFO'd by 2ml so I should thank the xanax for that.
Obviously no more feeling weird (so hard to describe, kinda like derealisation), sweaty palms or numb fingers. Hopefully next dose won't be for another 4 hours and will be even less than 2ml. Do you think that it will be possible to taper off like this and be clean by Monday, when I have to teach again?

dont take any more gbl. each dose will make the impending wd harder. flush that shit and sparingly use your benzos. the sooner you stop the easier it will be. dont risk your career for a dirty chemical cleaner. good luck

 

[djsim]

So, 4 hours after my last dose, I was already feeling the effects of 0,5mg alprazolam but to be honest, it didn't really help all that much with the gbl WD's, so I took 2ml of gbl. Keep in mind that yesterday, I was taking 4-5ml of gbl, and now I'm already on the couch getting KTFO'd by 2ml so I should thank the xanax for that.
Obviously no more feeling weird (so hard to describe, kinda like derealisation), sweaty palms or numb fingers. Hopefully next dose won't be for another 4 hours and will be even less than 2ml. Do you think that it will be possible to taper off like this and be clean by Monday, when I have to teach again?

Why tell a bullshit story? Do you know better than the doc? If so, you'd not e here, am I right?
Sorry to sound harsh, but I'm an MD and it sounds like you've traded GBL for Xanax, yes? But you're still using the GBL anyway.
Go back to the doctor and tell the truth please. If it were me I'd ppreciate the honesty moreso than seekng Xanax.... You need long acting benzos like diazepam and baclofen

 

[pasha]

You need to be on a regimen of baclofen, a benzodiazepine, and pregabalin or gabapentin. Mixing GBL and alprazolam which are both depressants is very dangerous and you could end up with an even worst addiction as I think they share some cross tolerance. GBL withdrawal is no fun and your already exhibiting withdrawal symptoms and may exhibit much more severe ones upon complete cessation such as seizures and delirium tremens. Get help now, if the psychosis starts you'll be too confused to help yourself.

On a side note: to the poster above, I honestly mean no disrespect when I say this but IME doctors don't seem to know much about GBL/GHB withdrawals, and even if they did they're more likely to treat an alcoholic with more respect than they are a drug addict since alchohol is 'socially acceptable.'

 

[belfort]

^^he doesnt need all those meds, either baclofen or phenibut would end GBL withdrawals instantly..problem is, these drugs can be abused as well so the OP has to be dedicated to staying clean or else nothing will work..getting a script for benzos for quitting Ghb is counter productive imo..

 

[pasha]

This^

I've been admitted three times to ICU followed by a psychiatric facility. Most doctors don't know the appropriate protocols to treat it so print this out and show it to them. It saved my life.

Nevertheless tapering is never ideal in GBL/GHB addiction.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_addiction2.pdf

Edit: just read the PDF, I'm having trouble quoting.

 

[milfhunter]

Okay, I'll give you the full story, but beware, it's crazy:

so Saturday night, I had already taken like 6x0,5mg of alprazolam over a space of 2-3 hours and it didn't help one bit. I was panicky as fuck with a racing heartbeat. I just went nuts: took all of the 14x0,5 alprazolam I had left at once + 14x10mg zolpidem + I shit you not: 40ml of gbl with just one bottle of sprite. Went down very easily. Then after that, I just took chug about the remaining 50ml of gbl with just some water. (psychotic suicide attempt? I don't even know, man)
Soon after, I was making all kinds of crazy noises and my parents found me, called an ambulance. And next thing I remember is me being in the ICU, just drifting in and out of consciousness. When I was awake, some docs would ask me questions like "do you know where you are?", "which day is it?" and stuff. I couldn't answer any of them.
I was tied down by all four legs and arms.

When I was becoming more lucid, I noticed my heartbeat was 180bpm, so they gave me sth to calm me down (I remember it was alprazolam on my advice, or am I just making shit up here? Man, those were some foggy days).
After a few doses of that, it went to 150bpm, and then they started giving me seroquel or tranxene, don't remember which one.

By Monday, I was actually very lucid again and I could leave the ICU and they brought me to the psych ward where every patient (drug addict, depressed, suicidal, psychotic...) was given the EXACT same treatment: 3x50mg of seroquel and 200mg of seroquel to sleep at night. Strange thing is, the 50mg would get me extremely tired during the day (to the point where I just wanted to sleep), whereas the 200mg doses would just get me panicky and suicidal (really, thinking of ways how I could slit my wrists during shower time and such).

Strange thing is that from the moment I went into the hospital, I never experienced any gbl withdrawals, apart from the sweaty hands, which I still have one week after the events. Was the seroquel such a good treatment? Or maybe I just wasn't as addicted as I thought?

On Thursday, I left the psych ward because all they did was give you seroquel and then when you're zoned out, they'll come talk to you and say things like: "wow, you're not ready to go home yet". Seriously.

I still had a heartbeat of 110 by the time I left though, but apart from sweaty palms, no other WD symtoms and actually feeling pretty normal. Not even depressed. Man, such a ruch of euphoria when I left that place: amazing! Shit was boring as hell: just lie on bed and take seroquel, eat, repeat.

Friday, I even went back to school to teach and it just went good as usual.

Today, Saturday, my heartbeat is 100 and BP is optimal. I don't take any meds, although the guy at the psych ward told me I had to keep taking the seroquel. Lol no way bro.


The problem is that I still don't know what happened exactly. Apparently, my heart didn't have any oxygen for a few moments and I got water into my lungs, which had me coughing up some serious blood clotters of which I still don't know if they were blood or just pieces of lung. But that was only the first couple of days, though.

Tuesday, I have to go back to the hospital to get my heart checked out with a CT-scan I think, because they were talking about some liquid I had to get in my veins first.

 

[milfhunter]

This^

I've been admitted three times to ICU followed by a psychiatric facility. Most doctors don't know the appropriate protocols to treat it so print this out and show it to them. It saved my life.

Nevertheless tapering is never ideal in GBL/GHB addiction.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/ghb_addiction2.pdf

Edit: just read the PDF, I'm having trouble quoting.

LOL, while I agree that most of them don't know shit about ghb/gbl, most docs think they're the bomb and won't take any advice from some leaflet you found on the internet bro.

 

[smokemctoke420]

You should be thankful your alive after all that. Holy shit

That is pretty nuts you didn't wd after that 40 ml dose compared to the 4-5 you wd on before

 

[pasha]

Case reports gathered by the university of Los Angeles California is not 'some leaflet'. That PDF is a detailed outline of some well accepted methods of treating GBL/GHB addiction.

If your doctor thinks he's the bomb then fire him and find a new one. Bro.

 

[milfhunter]

Case reports gathered by the university of Los Angeles California is not 'some leaflet'. That PDF is a detailed outline of some well accepted methods of treating GBL/GHB addiction.

If your doctor thinks he's the bomb then fire him and find a new one. Bro.

Hey man, I really didn't want to offend you there. I know that your case reports are way more valuable than what my shrink knows about it, but the "leaflet from the Internet" thing is something which he would say, not me.

 

[pasha]

I'm not offended at all. That summary of case reports might be slightly outdated but all the suggestions for treatment are gathered from medical literature.

Truth is when one is withdrawing from a heavy GBL habit they are completely resistant to benzodiazepines since they operate on GABA-A where as GBL operates on GABA-B.

The recommended treatment is an anticonvulsant such as pregabalin or gabapentin to handle the apoptosis and excitoxicity, and baclofen which like GBL, operates on the GABA-B receptors and can be tapered safely in a medical setting.

Doctors have a way of intimidating people into thinking they know everything, but if your confident, knowledgable and firm on what treatment regimen you want you can get your way.

Unless you want to spend a week in an inpatient facility, administered high doses of benzodiazepines and antipsychotics, in complete delirium, then I can only stress you read that PDF over with your doctor, and discuss the treatment options mentioned. If your denied, then I can guarantee you your doctor possesses no knowledge what so ever, in which case you should find a new one.

I speak in concern since i've been on that boat way too many times.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm wondering what triggered this all to happen in the first place to be honest. was it the GBL withdrawal, or something more sinister at play? i'm guessing as you were withdrawing due to the gaba channels being fucked around with at such a harsh intensity by GBL, you started producing an influx of dopamine and noradrenaline as your endocrine system also started going mad. hence the high heart rate.

i thought the first line of treatment is to be given a benzodiazepene with anti-convulsant properties e.g. diazepam or clonazepam to prevent a seizure and also stabilise gaba receptors. ghb acts on both gaba-a and b, but more so on b i'll agree with that.

glad to see you survived it and you're okay. you said you have a load of etizolam and stuff coming? honestly if i were you i'd throw that shit out. you put yourself in such a shit position with the gbl i'd steer clear of drugs for a while.

 

[pasha]

^If the OP keeps withdrawing from GBL it will get significantly worst each time. Its a process known as kindling which is well exhibited in alcohol withdrawal also. The first time may be manageable, but once you hit the third or fourth you can rest assured no amount of anti-psychotics will control delerium.

 

[milfhunter]

I'm wondering what triggered this all to happen in the first place to be honest. was it the GBL withdrawal, or something more sinister at play? i'm guessing as you were withdrawing due to the gaba channels being fucked around with at such a harsh intensity by GBL, you started producing an influx of dopamine and noradrenaline as your endocrine system also started going mad. hence the high heart rate.

i thought the first line of treatment is to be given a benzodiazepene with anti-convulsant properties e.g. diazepam or clonazepam to prevent a seizure and also stabilise gaba receptors. ghb acts on both gaba-a and b, but more so on b i'll agree with that.

glad to see you survived it and you're okay. you said you have a load of etizolam and stuff coming? honestly if i were you i'd throw that shit out. you put yourself in such a shit position with the gbl i'd steer clear of drugs for a while.

I honestly don't know how all of this could have happened so fast in only 2-3 weeks.
While I was in the hospital, 500 etizolam pellets arrived at my house, ready for my Mom to open them and wash them down the drain, lol.

GBL withdrawal is, in my experience, very harsh but also quite short lived - full recovery is made soon after cessation of GBLing. It could be that you went through the worst of it while in hospital...

Yes, that's what I'm thinking. To be honest, by Monday, I didn't have any WD symptoms anymore besides sweaty palms and fast heartbeat (which might not even have to do with the gbl WD, seeing as my heart suffered so much).
Even now I have sweaty palms but it's barely noticable. Heartbeat in rest is still about 100BPM, but it doesn't really bother me.
And I have mucus coming out of my lungs constantly, but that probably has to do with the water I got in my lungs. (don't ask me how that happened)

No, seroquel had fuck all to do with curing your withdrawals. The thing about withdrawals is that the brunt of them is very acute and short-lasting; you were too delirious during your time in hopsital to realise you were in WD.
Apart from that, seroquel enormously reduces dopamine activity in your brain so it'd do a lot to relieve panic, anxiety and the like, so that helped you ride out the remainder of the WDs.
Seroquel is hard-core shit, bin it and learn from your lesson. You're lucky you didn't die from such a massive dose of G.

I know seroquel is hardcore, but here in Belgium it seems to be the standard psych ward drug. I don't think it actually helped all that much because I didn't really feel more WD's or panicky or whatever when it wore off.

^If the OP keeps withdrawing from GBL it will get significantly worst each time. Its a process known as kindling which is well exhibited in alcohol withdrawal also. The first time may be manageable, but once you hit the third or fourth you can rest assured no amount of anti-psychotics will control delerium.

Let's just hope it won't get that far, bro. I feel like my drug career is definitely over now. But then again, this was my fourth short psych ward visit in the last four years or so, so let's never say never.
This time was the longest and ugliest visit, though.
From my previous visits, I never had any "souvenirs" but now I have the heart and lung problems, so...

 

[pasha]

Chromophobia I just now read your previous post (#17) and have to say that's the most helpful thing I've ever heard anybody tell anybody else about G withdrawals. If you were my student and I were your teacher I'd give you the biggest gold star in the sticker book. :D

Hopefully the OP won't be stupid enough to get sucked into G withdrawals again. Particularly when he has the responsibility of children's education on his hands.........

[EDIT] Oh and I'm 100% with you on G withdrawals getting worse each time. Not been there myself but my best friend has quite a problem with it and I've seen the extent of insanity it can push a person to. I only ever went 24/7 once, for 10 days, and that was bad enough. Didn't get more than 3 hours' sleep for more than a week, and then came the crippling depression.

Then there's another kind of withdrawal which is less talked about which occurs with chronic, low-level use of G. Say, two or three doses a day, three times a week. That doesn't carry any of the DT-style withdrawals that 24/7 WD has but it can really fuck with your sleeping patterns, mood, appetite, sex drive and cognitive faculties for a long time.

GHB is definitely one of the most benign drugs there are with an amazing positives:negatives balance, but only when treated with the caution and respect it deserves. Sadly it's extremely addictive for that same reason...

I'm going to hold you to that gold sticker :D. Ill put it in a place of prominence to remind myself I was of some service to someone. Jokes aside, much appreciated.

GBL withdrawal, when induced time after time causes disruptions and irregularities in glutaminergic/GABAergic neuroadaptation. Kindling is well established in alcohol withdrawal, which is nearly identical to GBL withdrawal.

You're exactly right when you say it's addictive for the positives it provides. GHB is actually the only drug I've come across which drastically improved every aspect of my life while being almost free of side effects, this includes symptoms of ADD, insomnia, and relieving symptoms of opioid withdrawal. The only issue is the dependence.

Also because of its hypothesized actions on the pituitary gland, it promotes growth of hair, clearing of skin, and growth and repair of damaged muscles or cuts. This is why some refer to it as liquid gold.

 

[milfhunter]

Hey bro's, just a small update.
Tuesday, I had some pictures taken of my heart and next day, I had to call for the results. But by the time I got home, my Mom had already called the doc and she's horrible at passing messages.
She said that my heart and lungs were affected by "the months and months of taking poison" (really, Mom, the doc said it like that?) but that there won't be any permanent damage.

Heartbeat is still around 100 BPM, but it doesn't really bother me.

However, I have something that bothers me: I don't have many emotions. I mean, it's not like I'm unhappy or something, but ever since I got back from the hospital, I've never been really excited (like I usually am on a Friday night after work) or happy or angry or sad or whatever. I've never really laughed at something either. And normally, I'm very talktative about everything that happens at school because I have funny stories to tell everyday, but now, I just don't feel the need to share them with my friends or family or co-workers.

More so, some girl texted me and wanted to go on a date with me. Normally I'd get super excited over this and my heart would go nuts, but now I kinda just told her off. But lol, because I told her off, she wants me even more because now she can't stop texting me lol.

And I'm gassed out very quickly. I have to teach about 4 hours per day (yes, this is a fulltime job lol), and before all of this, when I got home after those 4 hours, I'd feel like I was warmed up, ready for the day to begin and ready to kill it at the gym.
But now, after 2 hours I already feel like I've used most of my energy and just want to go home. And when I get home, I just lie on the couch and watch TV for the rest of the day. No way I'm doing sth else that day.

What do you think all of this means? Is it normal after all these events? Or is it some post-gbl addiction depression? (keep in mind that I don't really feel unhappy, though)
Or maybe I just have winter depression? Because it's freezing and snowing over here and I REALLY don't like that.