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I've read a lot of the stickied stuff and links and pretty much all the major stuff on here about ecstasy. But now, I've got a couple of more specific questions, some in general and some technical. I've already decided that I will definitely roll, soon, probably in the next two weeks. I will be rolling with a friend, and it'll be our first time.

General questions...

The pills I have are supposed to be 4-stacks. I read that the stack amount doesn't really tell much about the pill and it doesn't necessarily have 4 times the amount as opposed to one pill's amount.

Should I take the whole thing? Or take half and then the other half? How long do I wait in between?

Also, I read on Pill Reports that it might have 2C-B in it, which is a psychedelic and has a hallucinogenic effect. Will this interfere negatively with the MDMA?

I do not plan to be mixing anything else with the pill. No liquor, not even weed.

On the technical side...

I read two different major reasons for why MDMA is neurotoxic. The first is that the serotonin receptors take up dopamine since you end up with more dopamine than serotonin after rolling, and that that is toxic to your brain in itself. I couldn't find much info about why it's toxic or what precise negative effects it has on you. I also read that another reason it's toxic is because a lot of "free radicals" are created during the process, and those play a number on your brain as a whole and specifically the chemicals which lead to production of new serotonin.

Are both correct? Which poses the biggest threat?

Where do I get 5-HTP so I can preload and postload?

Will taking antioxidants and 5-HTP make my roll less fun or effective? From what I read, it shouldn't, but I've no experience. The antioxidants are supposed to help with the free radicals and the 5-HTP helps you recuperate the serotonin faster.

Thanks a lot in advance guys! I hope to have a good trip :)
 
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I can only answer a couple of these...

For dosage, take one pill. After you start peaking, if you decide it's not enough or you think you can handle more, take the other one. Then again, I just read your post more carefully and saw you only have one pill. Just take the whole thing.

For 5-HTP, just get it at Walgreens or something. However, don't preload with it. Just use it for the next couple days after. In fact, you probably won't need it unless you abuse.

Antioxidants won't effect your roll. Just drink some green tea before popping and you'll be good to go.

As far as 2C-B, i'll leave that to someone more experienced...

MOST IMPORTANTLY: Be in a great setting with great friends. All the other stuff comes secondary. Enjoy your first roll...it's quite a life-changing experience :)
 
There's no pill id on this forum, so the mods may call you out on that, but be wary. Inexperienced users often think pipes are 2-cb. Do yourself a favor and get a test kit to avoid all the guessing.

Save the 5-HTP for after the roll.
 
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xboxcell said:
I've read a lot of the stickied stuff and links and pretty much all the major stuff on here about ecstasy. But now, I've got a couple of more specific questions, some in general and some technical. I've already decided that I will definitely roll, soon, probably in the next two weeks. I will be rolling with a friend, and it'll be our first time.

General questions...

The pills I have are supposed to be 4-stacks. I read that the stack amount doesn't really tell much about the pill and it doesn't necessarily have 4 times the amount as opposed to one pill's amount.

Should I take the whole thing? Or take half and then the other half? How long do I wait in between?

Also, I read on Pill Reports that it might have 2C-B in it, which is a psychedelic and has a hallucinogenic effect. Will this interfere negatively with the MDMA?

I do not plan to be mixing anything else with the pill. No liquor, not even weed.

On the technical side...

I read two different major reasons for why MDMA is neurotoxic. The first is that the serotonin receptors take up dopamine since you end up with more dopamine than serotonin after rolling, and that that is toxic to your brain in itself. I couldn't find much info about why it's toxic or what precise negative effects it has on you. I also read that another reason it's toxic is because a lot of "free radicals" are created during the process, and those play a number on your brain as a whole and specifically the chemicals which lead to production of new serotonin.

Are both correct? Which poses the biggest threat?

Where do I get 5-HTP so I can preload and postload?

Will taking antioxidants and 5-HTP make my roll less fun or effective? From what I read, it shouldn't, but I've no experience. The antioxidants are supposed to help with the free radicals and the 5-HTP helps you recuperate the serotonin faster.

Thanks a lot in advance guys! I hope to have a good trip :)
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  • Quad stacks don't mean anything :)
  • Take the whole thing, see how you feel, if you feel like you need more, take more, but be careful! Don't take too much, and be safe
  • 2C-B may cause you to hallucinate, but it's fun imo.
  • The only real dangers of taking such a low amount of Ecstasy is dehydration, and overheating/hypothermia. Make sure you're drinking water (not too much!), and make sure if you're cold, you put some warm clothes on and if you get hot, take some off. You ALWAYS need to be aware of your temperature.
  • You can get 5-HTP at a drug store, or a vitamin store.
 
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Hallucinating (almost like on acid) on ecstasy for me was shit because I was so disappointed i just wanted the basic ecstasy feeling, that's what you pay for aint it. But if it's your first time you'll probably have fun. But the caps i did made my stomach feel "needly" like i've experienced on acid.

Idk every time i got caps that made me hallucinate more then roll I disliked them and was disappointed.
 
ive only ever heard of 2CB pressed pills being sold AS 2CB, or at least recently.
stacks dont mean shit, dont go by "stacks"
 
Im going against the grain here and suggesting you only take half at first.

Some people find the experience overwhelming so if you take half it should be easier for you and if after a full hour you are quitre happy then just top up with the other half. Better to be sure than sorry.


I expect you have found The Directory which contains lots and lots of links to various things to help you understand mdma and how it works and also health concerns etc.

In particular check out the Basics section and all its links if you have not yet done so.
 
Thanks guys, I'll save the 5-HTP for afterwards and preload with just antioxidants.

And yeah, I thought the slight hallucinations might be kinda cool IF you expect them, and I can see how if you don't, they might trip you out lol.

I wanna wait 2 months in between rolls, that's a good time, right? For recreational use, is that too long or just right?
 
xboxcell said:
I wanna wait 2 months in between rolls, that's a good time, right? For recreational use, is that too long or just right?
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there's no such thing as waiting too long! I like to put at least 3-4 months in between my rolls.

2 months is a decently responsible wait time. Just make sure you actually adhere to your good intentions.
 
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